Abortion overturned

[stahleyp]

3 hours ago, ERICOPOLY said:

I literally told you I don't want to discuss my reasons.  I didn't say that I don't have any.

And why do you not want to discuss them? Are they not good enough to defend?

[stahleyp]

Already changing things 🙂

 

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/men-rush-vasectomies-roe-ruling-200612624.html

[stahleyp]

Since Eric (who I thought would be a master at refuting things) refuses to say why he feels the way he does, can any of the other pro-choice people tell me why it's okay for a human to kill another human (against his or her will, I might add)? 

When an abortion occurs, isn't that's what's happening? 

[meiroy]

On 7/1/2022 at 6:10 AM, stahleyp said:

Already changing things 🙂

 

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/men-rush-vasectomies-roe-ruling-200612624.html

The unintended consequences:

1. Dem might get a chance in November when they had little before.

2. More men get vasectomies.

3. Porn VR companies make a killing. (less sex)

4. Far more women die, for multiple reasons.

5.  In 15+ year a crime wave begins.

6. GOP goes for the next thing so they can fish all those religious fundamentalist voters. This leads to an eventual USA split.

What else?

 

[stahleyp]

8 hours ago, meiroy said:

The unintended consequences:

1. Dem might get a chance in November when they had little before.

2. More men get vasectomies.

3. Porn VR companies make a killing. (less sex)

4. Far more women die, for multiple reasons.

5.  In 15+ year a crime wave begins.

6. GOP goes for the next thing so they can fish all those religious fundamentalist voters. This leads to an eventual USA split.

What else?

 

1) That might happen but I doubt it. Perhaps I'm wrong but I suspect the economy will override it. It is certainly a real risk though.

2) That's a good thing?

3) Contraceptive manufactures will be more profitable. I highly, highly doubt people will watch a whole lot more porn when they can just buy condoms. 

4) Yes but far more females (and males) will live. That will far, far outweigh the deaths from women who would rather risk their lives to kill another human than give birth. The American population should increase over time.

5) I agree. Perhaps the culture will change so that people aren't sleeping around as much? You know, like previous generations? People used to have better control over themselves. 

6) I was a Democrat and moved to the Republican side. I definitely think the Democrats are more extreme. I mean, think about this. A few years ago everyone knew what a woman was. Democrats don't anymore. I mean, how can a society function if we can't even agree on very basic terms? 

Much like the Republicans fought against slavery, Republicans are fighting for the moral good here as well. Abortion is very much like slavery. You have one human (slave owner, "birthing person") saying that they own/force their will on another human. "My body, my choice" isn't too different than "my plantation, my choice." The human being aborted isn't the mother's body.

Now, one could make the argument that Republican have become more extreme because of Trump. I just don't know about that. Besides his language, I can't think of too many (if any) policies/ideas that were very extreme. However, I'm opened minded that have missed something. 

[meiroy]

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Edited July 5 by meiroy

[stahleyp]

9 hours ago, meiroy said:

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I take it that you agree? 😅

[ERICOPOLY]

19 hours ago, stahleyp said:

"My body, my choice" isn't too different than "my plantation, my choice."

Nor "my bakery my choice".

[stahleyp]

3 hours ago, ERICOPOLY said:

Nor "my bakery my choice".

 

What does that have to do with a human being claiming "ownership" or a "right to kill" another human being? 

[ERICOPOLY]

On 7/5/2022 at 10:53 AM, stahleyp said:

 

What does that have to do with a human being claiming "ownership" or a "right to kill" another human being? 

you're the one who said the government can't tell a baker to keep a bun in the oven when they don't want to

[ERICOPOLY]

Rather than continuing to try to be right here, just understand that its rock/paper/scissors where the two sides cannot agree on whether rock beats scissors, or whether paper beats rock. or whether scissors beats paper.

But you're trying to play people at this game with the rules as you understand them to be.  And they don't agree with your rules.

[stahleyp]

10 hours ago, ERICOPOLY said:

you're the one who said the government can't tell a baker to keep a bun in the oven when they don't want to

Besides feelings being hurt, what's the harm in the baker refusing to bake a cake? I mean, the harm is very minimal because a) it's a freakin' cake b) they can get a cake somewhere else. I mean, tolerance and stuff, right?

During an abortion, a human being is being cut up and murdered. That is an indisputable fact.

So, would you rather someone not bake a cake for you or have you involuntarily murdered in a gruesome way? Which is worse? 

Why do you think the far less severe one is the worse offense? I mean, you are against the baker and for the abortionist. 

[stahleyp]

On 7/8/2022 at 12:35 AM, ERICOPOLY said:

Rather than continuing to try to be right here, just understand that its rock/paper/scissors where the two sides cannot agree on whether rock beats scissors, or whether paper beats rock. or whether scissors beats paper.

But you're trying to play people at this game with the rules as you understand them to be.  And they don't agree with your rules.

hmmm...being right is the only thing that actually matters, isn't it? Just because people don't agree with the rules, it doesn't mean they aren't there (ie rules of logic). 

So, do you believe in moral truths or do you think each social group just makes up their own rules? 

[stahleyp]

On 7/8/2022 at 12:35 AM, ERICOPOLY said:

Rather than continuing to try to be right here, just understand that its rock/paper/scissors where the two sides cannot agree on whether rock beats scissors, or whether paper beats rock. or whether scissors beats paper.

But you're trying to play people at this game with the rules as you understand them to be.  And they don't agree with your rules.

Still waiting, Eric. 
 

I'll put it another way. Is there anything wrong with a homosexual being thrown off a building? If so, could you tell me why? Are these folks simply playing by "rules" that you don't agree with? Why are your "rules" more right than theirs?