stahleyp Posted June 30, 2022 Author Share Posted June 30, 2022 3 hours ago, ERICOPOLY said: I literally told you I don't want to discuss my reasons. I didn't say that I don't have any. And why do you not want to discuss them? Are they not good enough to defend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted June 30, 2022 Author Share Posted June 30, 2022 Already changing things 🙂 https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/men-rush-vasectomies-roe-ruling-200612624.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted July 3, 2022 Author Share Posted July 3, 2022 Since Eric (who I thought would be a master at refuting things) refuses to say why he feels the way he does, can any of the other pro-choice people tell me why it's okay for a human to kill another human (against his or her will, I might add)? When an abortion occurs, isn't that's what's happening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meiroy Posted July 4, 2022 Share Posted July 4, 2022 On 7/1/2022 at 6:10 AM, stahleyp said: Already changing things 🙂 https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/men-rush-vasectomies-roe-ruling-200612624.html The unintended consequences: 1. Dem might get a chance in November when they had little before. 2. More men get vasectomies. 3. Porn VR companies make a killing. (less sex) 4. Far more women die, for multiple reasons. 5. In 15+ year a crime wave begins. 6. GOP goes for the next thing so they can fish all those religious fundamentalist voters. This leads to an eventual USA split. What else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted July 4, 2022 Author Share Posted July 4, 2022 8 hours ago, meiroy said: The unintended consequences: 1. Dem might get a chance in November when they had little before. 2. More men get vasectomies. 3. Porn VR companies make a killing. (less sex) 4. Far more women die, for multiple reasons. 5. In 15+ year a crime wave begins. 6. GOP goes for the next thing so they can fish all those religious fundamentalist voters. This leads to an eventual USA split. What else? 1) That might happen but I doubt it. Perhaps I'm wrong but I suspect the economy will override it. It is certainly a real risk though. 2) That's a good thing? 3) Contraceptive manufactures will be more profitable. I highly, highly doubt people will watch a whole lot more porn when they can just buy condoms. 4) Yes but far more females (and males) will live. That will far, far outweigh the deaths from women who would rather risk their lives to kill another human than give birth. The American population should increase over time. 5) I agree. Perhaps the culture will change so that people aren't sleeping around as much? You know, like previous generations? People used to have better control over themselves. 6) I was a Democrat and moved to the Republican side. I definitely think the Democrats are more extreme. I mean, think about this. A few years ago everyone knew what a woman was. Democrats don't anymore. I mean, how can a society function if we can't even agree on very basic terms? Much like the Republicans fought against slavery, Republicans are fighting for the moral good here as well. Abortion is very much like slavery. You have one human (slave owner, "birthing person") saying that they own/force their will on another human. "My body, my choice" isn't too different than "my plantation, my choice." The human being aborted isn't the mother's body. Now, one could make the argument that Republican have become more extreme because of Trump. I just don't know about that. Besides his language, I can't think of too many (if any) policies/ideas that were very extreme. However, I'm opened minded that have missed something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meiroy Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 (edited) ... Edited July 5, 2022 by meiroy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted July 5, 2022 Author Share Posted July 5, 2022 9 hours ago, meiroy said: ... I take it that you agree? 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted July 5, 2022 Share Posted July 5, 2022 19 hours ago, stahleyp said: "My body, my choice" isn't too different than "my plantation, my choice." Nor "my bakery my choice". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted July 5, 2022 Author Share Posted July 5, 2022 3 hours ago, ERICOPOLY said: Nor "my bakery my choice". What does that have to do with a human being claiming "ownership" or a "right to kill" another human being? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 On 7/5/2022 at 10:53 AM, stahleyp said: What does that have to do with a human being claiming "ownership" or a "right to kill" another human being? you're the one who said the government can't tell a baker to keep a bun in the oven when they don't want to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted July 8, 2022 Share Posted July 8, 2022 Rather than continuing to try to be right here, just understand that its rock/paper/scissors where the two sides cannot agree on whether rock beats scissors, or whether paper beats rock. or whether scissors beats paper. But you're trying to play people at this game with the rules as you understand them to be. And they don't agree with your rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted July 9, 2022 Author Share Posted July 9, 2022 10 hours ago, ERICOPOLY said: you're the one who said the government can't tell a baker to keep a bun in the oven when they don't want to Besides feelings being hurt, what's the harm in the baker refusing to bake a cake? I mean, the harm is very minimal because a) it's a freakin' cake b) they can get a cake somewhere else. I mean, tolerance and stuff, right? During an abortion, a human being is being cut up and murdered. That is an indisputable fact. So, would you rather someone not bake a cake for you or have you involuntarily murdered in a gruesome way? Which is worse? Why do you think the far less severe one is the worse offense? I mean, you are against the baker and for the abortionist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted July 9, 2022 Author Share Posted July 9, 2022 On 7/8/2022 at 12:35 AM, ERICOPOLY said: Rather than continuing to try to be right here, just understand that its rock/paper/scissors where the two sides cannot agree on whether rock beats scissors, or whether paper beats rock. or whether scissors beats paper. But you're trying to play people at this game with the rules as you understand them to be. And they don't agree with your rules. hmmm...being right is the only thing that actually matters, isn't it? Just because people don't agree with the rules, it doesn't mean they aren't there (ie rules of logic). So, do you believe in moral truths or do you think each social group just makes up their own rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted July 22, 2022 Author Share Posted July 22, 2022 On 7/8/2022 at 12:35 AM, ERICOPOLY said: Rather than continuing to try to be right here, just understand that its rock/paper/scissors where the two sides cannot agree on whether rock beats scissors, or whether paper beats rock. or whether scissors beats paper. But you're trying to play people at this game with the rules as you understand them to be. And they don't agree with your rules. Still waiting, Eric. I'll put it another way. Is there anything wrong with a homosexual being thrown off a building? If so, could you tell me why? Are these folks simply playing by "rules" that you don't agree with? Why are your "rules" more right than theirs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 I see that you are arguing rules of logic while comparing a fully grown person to an embryo when the issue is about a woman's control over her own body versus the government controlling her body. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted August 16, 2022 Share Posted August 16, 2022 (edited) If you can raise an embryo outside of a woman's body then you have the beginnings of a logical comparison to an adult being thrown from a building. Edited August 16, 2022 by ERICOPOLY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted August 17, 2022 Author Share Posted August 17, 2022 19 hours ago, ERICOPOLY said: I see that you are arguing rules of logic while comparing a fully grown person to an embryo when the issue is about a woman's control over her own body versus the government controlling her body. Is the fully grown adult more human than an embryo? Is a fully grown adult more human than a baby? If so, why? The government enforces rules all the time when one person is harming another person. Is the government controlling one's body when it outlaws drunk driving? Why do you think the unborn human is a part of the mother's body? If the unborn has developed feet and hands, do we say the mother has 4 hands and 4 feet? If it's part of her body, why does it have unique DNA? The whole idea of abortion is to dehumanize another so that we can commit atrocities. Humans have done this through our existence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted August 17, 2022 Author Share Posted August 17, 2022 19 hours ago, ERICOPOLY said: If you can raise an embryo outside of a woman's body then you have the beginnings of a logical comparison to an adult being thrown from a building. So one's humanity is based on location? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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backtothebeach Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 https://podtail.com/podcast/the-joe-rogan-experience/-1857-seth-dillon/ Respectful discussion between Rogan and pro-lifer starting around 43:30 minute mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 28 minutes ago, stahleyp said: Why do you think the unborn human is a part of the mother's body? Why do you think the unborn human is part of your body Paul? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 If you are going to ask questions inferring a point that the other never made, well we both can play that game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted August 17, 2022 Author Share Posted August 17, 2022 35 minutes ago, ERICOPOLY said: Why do you think the unborn human is part of your body Paul? I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted August 17, 2022 Author Share Posted August 17, 2022 32 minutes ago, ERICOPOLY said: If you are going to ask questions inferring a point that the other never made, well we both can play that game. So when the woman has an abortion is she being aborted or is another human being aborted? Is she controlling her body or another's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 1 minute ago, stahleyp said: So when the woman has an abortion is she being aborted or is another human being aborted? Is she controlling her body or another's? You have much to learn and I am not here for all of your questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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