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These 16 Republicans voted against speeding up visas for Afghans fleeing the Taliban

Some of the Republican House members who this week excoriated President Joe Biden's strategy to pull U.S. troops out of Afghanistan and evacuate Afghan civilians voted last month against legislation to speed up the visa application process for Afghan citizens.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/08/17/16-republicans-voted-against-special-visas-help-afghanistan-people/8163392002/

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I mean I dont exactly blame people who are skeptical of allowing Afghan "refugees" into the country. Based on the execution of the withdrawal, as well as the risks associated with screening/background checks on those incoming(especially in light of the incompetence of this administration)...you could very well be opening the country up to more attacks. Would it really be that hard to Trojan horse a few terrorists into the county as refugees? 

I think its certainly enlightening the country though. You'd had the media and pundits crying wolf about Trump and all the issues he was causing, but in reality you look at it and the best they could come up with was some retarded blame game where they tried to convince some dumb people that Trump killed 400k via a freakin virus that came from China. Now, there's real death that is directly the result of incompetence and negligence. People complained about Trump ripping into freeloading allies and how America was alienating itself from its allies. Now, you have Mr. "Uhmerica, eh, uh, is back!" abandoning people who have put their lives on the line, leaving them to die, giving the enemies lists of their names(LOL WTF). 

https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-joe-biden-broke-nato-allies-boris-johnson-angela-merkel-emmanuel-macron-11629406300

 

So after 4 years of literally attempting to manufacture negligence and incompetence caused disaster and crisis(a period during which ISIS was virtually eliminated)...now they're getting a first hand view of it. On day one Joe deliberately created a border crisis and now half a year in really, actually, like, not "told people they didnt have to wear masks, dur".. but actually, had people slaughtered. 

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Military leaders have a lot to account for. This was a mess from the start of the withdrawal. Why would they abandon their main air base before getting everyone out of the country? AND why did they abandon billions of dollars of equipment and leave it for the Taliban in usable condition? Unless I am missing something it just makes no sense. 

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This guy ran on "the buck stops here"...

he's made "ending covid" a point of obsession since taking office even though the Xmas/New Years spike + plus vaccines basically meant it was already gonna be over for those that wanted it to be soon enough, he's gone so far out of his way to undo just about EVERY single Trump policy....except Afghan apparently because undoing border policy and showerhead regulations is cool but for some reason he wanted to keep this one...but its not his fault its Trumps and he relied on military advice LOL

and yet there really isnt one thing he doesnt just turn around and blame on someone else. Its incredible. Nothing is ever his fault. For all the Trump haters..this is Trump 2.0 except with horrid policies. 

The crazy part is I believe him. His mental capacity is so clearly diminished that I have no doubt theres others behind the scenes calling the shots. And whats more, is I dont want him relieved because the replacement is that cackling idiot who thinks everything is funny. 

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On 8/29/2021 at 12:53 PM, Gregmal said:

This guy ran on "the buck stops here"...

he's made "ending covid" a point of obsession since taking office even though the Xmas/New Years spike + plus vaccines basically meant it was already gonna be over for those that wanted it to be soon enough, he's gone so far out of his way to undo just about EVERY single Trump policy....except Afghan apparently because undoing border policy and showerhead regulations is cool but for some reason he wanted to keep this one...but its not his fault its Trumps and he relied on military advice LOL

and yet there really isnt one thing he doesnt just turn around and blame on someone else. Its incredible. Nothing is ever his fault. For all the Trump haters..this is Trump 2.0 except with horrid policies. 

The crazy part is I believe him. His mental capacity is so clearly diminished that I have no doubt theres others behind the scenes calling the shots. And whats more, is I dont want him relieved because the replacement is that cackling idiot who thinks everything is funny. 

You mean the Trump policies of not having to wear masks...and essentially telling people not to get the vaccine.  Only now, in the last four weeks, has Trump started telling his supporters to get the vaccine.  These huge spikes in the Delta variant, are a result of the masses of Trump supporters not wearing masks, not social distancing and not getting vaccinated.  

You keep calling Biden an incapacitated fool, and he very well might be...but you keep ignoring the fact that the guy before him created much of the mess here...including the withdrawal from Afghanistan because of the agreement Trump signed with the Taliban.  And why are you even concerned about possible terrorist attacks or violence in the Middle East...didn't Kushner solve all of the problems there already?  Cheers!

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On 8/28/2021 at 1:18 PM, cwericb said:

AND why did they abandon billions of dollars of equipment and leave it for the Taliban in usable condition? 

Wasn't this the Afghan military abandoning the equipment that the US had supplied?

 

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32 minutes ago, ERICOPOLY said:

Wasn't this the Afghan military abandoning the equipment that the US had supplied?

 

My understanding is that the US military is either: 

(1) grossly negligent in leaving the equipment for whoever came for it, or

(2) grossly negligent in their assessment of the Afghan military.

Or both.

I have not heard that the Afghan military was trained in the operation of Blackhawk helicopters. 

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7 hours ago, Parsad said:

You mean the Trump policies of not having to wear masks...and essentially telling people not to get the vaccine.  Only now, in the last four weeks, has Trump started telling his supporters to get the vaccine.  These huge spikes in the Delta variant, are a result of the masses of Trump supporters not wearing masks, not social distancing and not getting vaccinated.  

You keep calling Biden an incapacitated fool, and he very well might be...but you keep ignoring the fact that the guy before him created much of the mess here...including the withdrawal from Afghanistan because of the agreement Trump signed with the Taliban.  And why are you even concerned about possible terrorist attacks or violence in the Middle East...didn't Kushner solve all of the problems there already?  Cheers!

Exactly. How soon some like to forget when it is convenient to do so.

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3 hours ago, cwericb said:

My understanding is that the US military is either: 

(1) grossly negligent in leaving the equipment for whoever came for it, or

(2) grossly negligent in their assessment of the Afghan military.

Or both.

I have not heard that the Afghan military was trained in the operation of Blackhawk helicopters. 

The Taliban can't use those helicopters because they won't be able to maintain them.

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3 hours ago, ERICOPOLY said:

This chaotic defeat/withdrawal is because of Art of the Clusterfuck who agreed to a deadline.

He is great at making deals...just shitty ones that f**k everyone over who have to live with it! 

That being said, Biden and his Generals could have handled the withdrawal far better than they did.  It looked a lot like Somalia or Tehran! 

"They'll never be able to use that equipment again!"...until you see the Taliban flying around in a U.S. helicopter.  Really?!  Either the Taliban have better mechanics than the U.S. or somebody screwed the pooch when making all of that equipment unusable.  Cheers!

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On 9/2/2021 at 9:22 AM, cwericb said:

Exactly. How soon some like to forget when it is convenient to do so.

Uhm, no one, despite you all acting like its a foregone conclusion..has demonstrated masks are effective. Even Fauci has echoed this, and on a personal level I have a number of family and friends who do direct work in a lot of these fields who say that MAYBE you are looking at a 10% improvement IF USED PROPERLY...which the majority of the population doesnt. 

 

You're again deranged about the vaccines...Trump pumped the vaccine as probably his greatest achievement in office and it was clear early on...because he announced it...the he was a fan of it and both he and his family got vaccinated. 

As I said earlier...the majority of Trump policy was actually quite sound...it was his style and personality that turned people off. And its amazing that even to this day you guys act like there was this same mess under him LOL. Its incredible but not shocking. Then again some of you folks said Trump was directly responsible for covid deaths..so I dont even know if you guys warrant a response. 

Biden could rip up the Trump policy on everything from shower heads to immigration....but his hands were tied here? GTFO

 

So no, not "how soon we forget"...its "how delusional we remain"...Biden is a disaster and the only thing keeping him there is that his VP is an even bigger mess. 

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Sooooo, this feeble turd botches the withdrawal, ISIS hits the airport bad, killing tons of people....51% of Americas desired president then orders a drone strike that kills 7 kids and 3 other innocent civilians, lies about it, the media reports the lies and claims they took out some anonymous terrorists, those that called BS were labelled sour republicans or delusional Trump supporters, and......LOL how many times have we seen this before? 

Just one question, where is all the outrage from the folks that would throw absolute hysterical hissy fits because an anonymous source quoted and anonymous source supposedly from within the Trump administration saying Trump said or thought something bad????

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KING: You point out that the last administration you served, President Trump, initiated the negotiations with the Taliban. President Biden says that negotiation, those negotiations left him no choice. You were not a fan at the time. You were very public about it. But what kind of scenario was former President Trump striving for?

BOLTON: Well, I don't think he thought coherently about it, and I think if he had been reelected, he would have done essentially the same thing Biden did. Mike Pompeo, who joins in the responsibility for this policy, has tried to distinguish it, but in fact, Trump wanted out. He was going to get out. He didn't care whether the conditions that were included in the peace deal were met. Had he been reelected, I think he would have done the same thing Biden did.

 

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/16/1028016046/rise-of-the-taliban-is-a-catastrophic-failure-for-the-u-s-john-bolton-says

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This is all true but a drone strike is an active, aggressive, and planned move. Theres no excuse for this. The CIA even told them before striking they were wrong and they went ahead anyway. I thought we were getting out? Or does getting out mean doing what they did but still playing battleship and drone strike?

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21 hours ago, Gregmal said:

This is all true but a drone strike is an active, aggressive, and planned move. Theres no excuse for this. The CIA even told them before striking they were wrong and they went ahead anyway. I thought we were getting out? Or does getting out mean doing what they did but still playing battleship and drone strike?

If I recall what I read correctly, the CIA warning came minutes before the drone strike and they originally planned the strike believing that they were hitting a vehicle loaded with bombs in an effort to stop another bombing at the airport such as the one that had killed so many recently.

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U.S. is continuing the path of disengagement in its foreign policy, and pivoting itself toward Asia. This disengagement look and feel different under different U.S. administrations, but it is proceeding at its snail pace and the trendline is clear. Notwithstanding and the ebb and flow.

Mortals will complain about Biden this, Trump that etc. Obama this. Republican this, democrat that. 

In the immediate period after the Cold War in the mid/late 90s, U.S. was at its peak of power (soft and hard), not seen since the days of Harry Truman post-1945 period. Call it U.S. peak-internationalism.

Cheney-Rumsfeld-Bush took that power and did what mortal men do power ... misuse it.

U.S. peak-internationalism has been unravelling since in a slow glacial pace. All to the benefit of People's Republic of China who has been patiently watching from the sideline. The 2008-09 financial crisis further that by showcasing to PRC that its role-model was clueless about its finances.

 

 

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https://nypost.com/2021/09/28/gen-milley-faces-congress-over-afghanistan-withdrawal/

 

"Embattled Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley revealed during testimony before Congress that he recommended the US maintain thousands of troops in Afghanistan to prevent the Taliban from overrunning the Afghan military — but was ignored by President Biden."

 

So much for that bs theory....bbbbut Biden prolly had nothing to do with it! Its not like he controls the military!

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