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Boy, have Biden and Trudeau left a mess in Afghanistan!  The images of people clinging to the side of the U.S. Air Transport as it leaves, is reminiscent of when Iran fell to Khomeni or the U.S. Embassy siege in Saigon.  Nice job dummies!  Especially by pretty much executing the death orders for thousands of Afghani translators who risked their lives to help for the last 20 years.

 

Live Updates: Evacuation flights halted amid chaos at Kabul airport as  Afghans try to flee

US officials say 7 killed in Kabul airport evacuation chaos - World News -  CastanetKamloops.net

And where is Trump's amazing negotiations with the Taliban that they touted not long ago?  That was a short-lived peace talk! 

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/republican-national-committee-deletes-page-143701165.html

Afghanistan will now become the prime breeding ground for global terrorists.  Cheers!

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Total fucking disgrace. And I am not even someone who believed we should have been there in the first place. But to seek out allies on the ground there, and then just leave them high and dry... 

All I can say is that I didnt vote for this...

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24 minutes ago, Gregmal said:

Also LOL worthy that this senile fool is trying to blame Trump for this. Just like he did with the border....He's also still denying there's inflation. Good stuff America. 

Trump is partly to blame for this.  He's the one who signed the Doha Accord and said that the U.S. would be out by May of 2021.  Biden extended the deadline to August 2021.  Both are guilty, as is Trudeau and the rest of the allies for pulling out because the U.S. was pulling out.

So while the current humanitarian crisis isn't Trump's fault, he and his supporters shouldn't be patting themselves on the back either.  This is just a failure on all parts...United States as a whole (both parties), Canada, NATO...everyone!  Cheers!

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Eh its not so much withdrawing from Afghanistan, its the way it was done. The evacuation could have been orchestrated better by a 6 year old. Thats got zero to do with Trump. This is the same idiot who peeled back all those highly effective border policies, saw an immediate record surge of migrants who openly stated "Biden wants us" and then still thought people were dumb enough to buy his "inherited a border crisis from Trump" excuse. He's making Trump look brilliant, thats for sure. Say goodbye to the house next year. 

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2 hours ago, Gregmal said:

Total fucking disgrace. And I am not even someone who believed we should have been there in the first place. But to seek out allies on the ground there, and then just leave them high and dry... 

All I can say is that I didnt vote for this...

But you did vote for Trump and while in office he did leave the Kurds (our allies on the ground) high and dry.

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Its just really funny because this senile buffoon has gone out of his way to reverse every single thing Trump touched without even giving it a thought; from the border policy disaster, even down to a stupid regulation on SHOWER HEADS! Or Iran, and everything in between. But now he thinks folks are going to buy the "its Trumps deal" excuse! 

Someone really needs to go long the Trump policies and short the Trump personality...they'd clean up. Its clear Joe is braindead and the scattershot approach to policy is really just emblematic of a fractured Democratic Party with too many behind the scenes cooks in the kitchen trying to appease everyone. 

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3 hours ago, Gregmal said:

Its just really funny because this senile buffoon has gone out of his way to reverse every single thing Trump touched without even giving it a thought; from the border policy disaster, even down to a stupid regulation on SHOWER HEADS! Or Iran, and everything in between. But now he thinks folks are going to buy the "its Trumps deal" excuse! 

Someone really needs to go long the Trump policies and short the Trump personality...they'd clean up. Its clear Joe is braindead and the scattershot approach to policy is really just emblematic of a fractured Democratic Party with too many behind the scenes cooks in the kitchen trying to appease everyone. 

Didn't Trump do exactly the same thing...even more extreme by trying to obliterate any shred of the Obama administration?

On the policy issue, yes you are correct.  I think if you had a younger, charismatic leader from the GOP pushing Trump policies with Obama's personality, they would easily get 8 years in power.  But you have two problems...there is no one in the GOP with Biden's charisma, let alone Obama, and the GOP only puts old, white goats in office.  Also, Trump won't let anyone else run...he's too narcissistic to give anyone else the limelight.  Cheers! 

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9 hours ago, Parsad said:

Didn't Trump do exactly the same thing...even more extreme by trying to obliterate any shred of the Obama administration?

If Obama did it, Trump tried to undo it and in doing so set a new precedent. If Obama signed a treaty, Trump ripped it up. Not only did Trump set the precedent, but he made it known that you cannot rely on the country's word.

But watching this sudden abandonment of Afghanistan is like watching the pull out from Saigon. It is certainly a lesson for our allies. Back the US - or Canada - and realize that they will drop you quicker than a hot potato if the mood hits.

Guess I am just an old fashioned country bumpkin, but I still believe that you 'dance with the one what brung you'. You don't just suddenly up and leave and wash your hands in the things you commit to.

There is another old saying that likely fits this situation: You can fight them over there - or you can fight them over here.

Wasn't 9-11 one of the reasons we were there in the first place?

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1 hour ago, cwericb said:

If Obama did it, Trump tried to undo it and in doing so set a new precedent. If Obama signed a treaty, Trump ripped it up. Not only did Trump set the precedent, but he made it known that you cannot rely on the country's word.

But watching this sudden abandonment of Afghanistan is like watching the pull out from Saigon. It is certainly a lesson for our allies. Back the US - or Canada - and realize that they will drop you quicker than a hot potato if the mood hits.

Guess I am just an old fashioned country bumpkin, but I still believe that you 'dance with the one what brung you'. You don't just suddenly up and leave and wash your hands in the things you commit to.

There is another old saying that likely fits this situation: You can fight them over there - or you can fight them over here.

Wasn't 9-11 one of the reasons we were there in the first place?

As 9-11 and for fighting them over here or fighting them over there...

If you were the next Bin Laden today and the US was still in Afghanistan, wouldn't you simply recruit your band of terrorists from an outpost some place else?

Were any of the 9-11 hijackers Taliban?  No.  

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5 hours ago, ERICOPOLY said:

As 9-11 and for fighting them over here or fighting them over there...

If you were the next Bin Laden today and the US was still in Afghanistan, wouldn't you simply recruit your band of terrorists from an outpost some place else?

Were any of the 9-11 hijackers Taliban?  No.  

"In 2001, 19 militants associated with al-Qaeda staged the September 11 attacks against the United States. Within weeks the U.S. government responded by attacking Taliban and al-Qaeda forces in Afghanistan." - Encyclopedia Britannica

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2 hours ago, cwericb said:

"In 2001, 19 militants associated with al-Qaeda staged the September 11 attacks against the United States. Within weeks the U.S. government responded by attacking Taliban and al-Qaeda forces in Afghanistan." - Encyclopedia Britannica

The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men affiliated with the militant Islamist group al-Qaeda. They hailed from four countries; fifteen of them were citizens of Saudi Arabia, two were from the United Arab Emirates, one was from Lebanon, and one from Egypt.[1] 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks

None were Taliban or Afghan.

And for that matter Bin Laden was no longer even in Afghanistan by the time the US took over and he continued to lead Al Quaeda from a command post outside of Afghanistan.  Which was my first point.

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In his 2020 book The Room Where It Happened, John Bolton, Trump's national security adviser in 2018 and 2019, depicts Trump as determined to deal with the Taliban. He recalls Trump trying to bring Taliban leaders to Camp David for negotiations in September 2019, eventually dropping that plan, and then reviving its outline in what became the Feb. 29, 2020 agreement.

"This deal is entirely Trump's," Bolton wrote of that agreement. "Time will tell who is right, and the full effects of the deal may not become apparent until after Trump leaves office. But there should be no mistaking this reality: Trump will be responsible for the consequences, politically and militarily."

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/18/1028607717/strange-bedfellows-indeed-the-trump-biden-consensus-on-afghanistan

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FIASCO: a thing that is a complete failure, especially in a ludicrous or humiliating way.

Pretty well describes this situation. How much of this incompetence is present and past political, how much is military and how much is the state department? Seem to be lots of blame to go around.

It just boggles the mind how this could be so f***ed up.

As a Canadian I am embarrassed and outraged that we left Afghanistan in 2014 and STILL haven’t gotten out our local interpreters and the others who worked for us. To add insult to injury, this week when these desperate people did show up at the Kabul airport many were turned away because ... wait for it ... their paperwork was not printed in COLOUR! One would think they would have been damn lucky just to find a printer let alone one that printed the documentation in colour.

Now if all this whole F Up wasn’t bad enough, the U.S. have abandoned billions of dollars worth military equipment to the Taliban including Blackhawk helicopters, A-29 Super Tucano attack aircraft. Humvees, M4 and M16 rifles, etc, etc. Then there were the airfields, the buildings, and on and on. Why was this equipment not destroyed rather than left to arm the Taliban? What was the military thinking?

The incompetence and stupidity is just mind boggling.

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Speaking of abandoning our allies, the Trump Administration defunded/sabotaged the means by which we get our allies (read Afghan refugees) out of the country and resettled in the US.

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Olivia Troye tweeted that Stephen Miller, a senior adviser to former President Donald Trump, teamed up with “enablers” to undermine anyone trying to get the allies out by “devastating” the special immigrant visa system at the departments of State and Homeland Security.

“Stephen Miller would peddle his racist hysteria about Iraq & Afghanistan,” tweeted Troye. She described Pence as “fully aware” of the problem.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/08/21/mike-pence-aide-blames-stephen-miller-wrecking-afghan-visa-system/8228495002/

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