Coronavirus

[cwericb]

On 8/23/2021 at 2:30 PM, ERICOPOLY said:

‘You are not a horse’: FDA tells Americans stop taking dewormer for Covid

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/aug/23/fda-horse-message-ivermectin-covid-coronavirus

Asses perhaps?

[Gregmal]

LOL Bidens intelligence report on the origins was "inconclusive"...Heard Joe also said the same about the box score for yesterdays Nationals game. Guy is mentally toast. 

[ERICOPOLY]

Freedom isn't free:

 

Delta Air Lines Is Going To Start Charging Unvaccinated Employees $200 Per Month

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/08/25/1030949428/delta-covid-unvaccinated-employees-monthly-charge-200-dollars

[backtothebeach]

Could you post this in a bigger font please?

[ERICOPOLY]

Haha.  It's a copy/paste from NPR.  I didn't set it that way on purpose. 

 

[backtothebeach]

When you paste stuff, the forum software gives you this message: "Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead", you can always make the title bold and somewhat bigger after that. Up to you, but when the original headline format takes up the whole screen it feels like screaming.

[Investor20]

On 8/25/2021 at 12:22 AM, cwericb said:

Asses perhaps?

I am not sure what they mean.  Ivermectin is in WHO model list of essential medicines

ivermectin Tablet (scored): 3 mg

The core list presents a list of minimum medicine needs for a basic health-care system, listing the most
efficacious, safe and cost–effective medicines for priority conditions. And Ivermectin is in this list.

https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/325771/WHO-MVP-EMP-IAU-2019.06-eng.pdf

CDC recommending for head lice (not approved use, but non label use is common in medicine) states (emphasis in bold added)

Given as a tablet in mass drug administrations, oral ivermectin has been used extensively and safely for over two decades in many countries to treat filarial worm infections. Although not FDA-approved for the treatment of lice, ivermectin tablets given in a single oral dose of 200 micrograms/kg or 400 micrograms/kg repeated in 9-10 days has been shown effective against head lice. It should not be used in children weighing less than 15 kg or in pregnant women.

https://www.cdc.gov/parasites/lice/head/treatment.html

"About 3.7 billion doses of ivermectin have been distributed in mass drug administration campaigns globally over the past 30 years. Presently, ivermectin is approved for use in humans in several countries to treat onchocerciasis, lymphatic filariasis, strongyloidiasis, and scabies.
https://journal.chestnet.org/article/S0012-3692(20)34898-4/fulltext

Use of Ivermectin Is Associated With Lower Mortality in Hospitalized Patients With Coronavirus Disease 2019

Aspirin is also sold for dogs.  In fact many many medicines are used in humans and animals.  Does it mean we should not use any drug used in animals? What is their logic? Why do they bring in cows and horses for a drug that had been widely used for several decades in humans for several decades?

[backtothebeach]

4 hours ago, Investor20 said:

[...]

Why do they bring in cows and horses for a drug that had been widely used for several decades in humans for several decades?

Gotta admit, the ‘You are not a horse’ headline was kind of funny.

You would think that when there are dozens of non-perfect studies that seem to indicate Ivermectin reduces bad outcomes and the length of the disease, health organizations in the West would be tripping over their feet  in a rush to conduct that perfect double (triple? quadruple?) blind study that they are always claiming is missing. That's not the case for some reason. Follow the money...

 

[ERICOPOLY]

4 hours ago, Investor20 said:

Does it mean we should not use any drug used in animals? What is their logic? 

Because...

At least 70% of recent calls to the Mississippi Poison Control Center involve the ingestion of ivermectin purchased at livestock supply

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2021/08/23/covid-warning-treatment-ivermectin-fda-mississippi/8244302002/

[cwericb]

You really have to wonder about people who would take a horse medicine while at the same time spurn an FDA approved Covid vaccine because ‘it is not proven’.

While it is rather sad that people with little or no background or education in medicine or drug research think they know more than those real experts who have dealt in this area for many years.

Where it becomes dangerous is when these same self appointed ‘experts’ try to influence others in their beliefs.

[ERICOPOLY]

The trouble with Abbott's line of thinking is that unvaccinated individuals put us ALL at an elevated risk of further mutations, potentially a mutation that will not respond to our present vaccines. 

 

Texas Governor Issues Order Banning Local Vaccine Mandates

https://www.npr.org/sections/back-to-school-live-updates/2021/08/26/1031338658/texas-governor-issues-order-banning-local-vaccine-mandates

[Investor20]

4 hours ago, ERICOPOLY said:

The trouble with Abbott's line of thinking is that unvaccinated individuals put us ALL at an elevated risk of further mutations, potentially a mutation that will not respond to our present vaccines. 

 

Texas Governor Issues Order Banning Local Vaccine Mandates

https://www.npr.org/sections/back-to-school-live-updates/2021/08/26/1031338658/texas-governor-issues-order-banning-local-vaccine-mandates

Even CDC does not claim anymore, that the vaccine stops infection and spread.

Listen to the below interview of CDC director about booster shot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhgI1IFPMXQ

At 1.45 CDC director talks about hope vs data for booster shot.

Anyone continues to talk about Ivermectin as "Horse medicine" only making them look bad. Yes it may also be used in animals like many medicines are and you could say that with pretty much most medicines.

Some doctors support using Ivermectin because they continue to see these type of peer reviewed publications ( a recent example ) and it should be between their doctor and patient discussion:

https://www.cureus.com/articles/63131-ivermectin-as-a-sars-cov-2-pre-exposure-prophylaxis-method-in-healthcare-workers-a-propensity-score-matched-retrospective-cohort-study

 

 

[ERICOPOLY]

2 hours ago, Investor20 said:

Even CDC does not claim anymore, that the vaccine stops infection and spread.

Listen to the below interview of CDC director about booster shot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhgI1IFPMXQ

At 1.45 CDC director talks about hope vs data for booster shot.

Anyone continues to talk about Ivermectin as "Horse medicine" only making them look bad. Yes it may also be used in animals like many medicines are and you could say that with pretty much most medicines.

Some doctors support using Ivermectin because they continue to see these type of peer reviewed publications ( a recent example ) and it should be between their doctor and patient discussion:

https://www.cureus.com/articles/63131-ivermectin-as-a-sars-cov-2-pre-exposure-prophylaxis-method-in-healthcare-workers-a-propensity-score-matched-retrospective-cohort-study

 

 

Breaking down statistics from Israel's Gertner Institute and KI Institute, ministry officials said that among people aged 60 and over, the protection against infection provided from 10 days after a third dose was four times higher than after two doses.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israel-finds-covid-19-vaccine-booster-significantly-lowers-infection-risk-2021-08-22/

[ERICOPOLY]

Florida Judge Throws Out Governor Ron DeSantis Order Prohibiting Masks In Schools

https://www.npr.org/2021/08/27/1031714923/florida-judge-throws-out-governor-ron-desantis-order-prohibiting-masks-in-school

[backtothebeach]

The evidence supporting mask mandates in schools is weaker than Biden pretends

https://chicago.suntimes.com/columnists/2021/8/24/22639764/mask-effectiveness-studies-cdc-jacob-sullum

[...] One problem with those studies is that the schools they examined typically implemented several COVID-19 safeguards simultaneously, so there was no way of knowing whether any perceived benefits could be attributed specifically to masking. Another problem: Almost none of the studies compared schools with mask mandates to otherwise similar schools without them, again making causal inferences impossible.[...]

Directly from the CDC study directly:

"The 21% lower incidence in schools that required mask use among students was not statistically significant compared with schools where mask use was optional."

[ERICOPOLY]

A series of new studies, including two led by Ellebedy, suggest that mRNA vaccines like those from Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna trigger the immune system to establish long-term protection against severe COVID-19 — protection that likely will last several years or even longer, Ellebedy says.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/30/1032520934/immunity-to-covid-19-could-last-longer-than-youd-think

Edited August 31, 2021 by ERICOPOLY

[cwericb]

Someone here erroneously suggested that Canada was behind the times and still had it’s side of the US border closed, while the more progressive U.S. side had been long open. Just to ensure there is no “fake news” on the issue...

"Canadians demand to know why they can fly — but still not drive — to the U.S."
"The U.S. government did not respond to questions about its current travel policy"

“When Canada reopened both its land and air borders on Aug. 9 to fully vaccinated American travellers, it was widely assumed the U.S. would reciprocate. Instead, the country has kept its land border closed, frustrating travellers who want to drive — not fly — to the U.S.”

"What science shows that it's safer to fly on a crowded plane than to travel in your own private vehicle across the border?"

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/canada-u-s-border-travel-1.6158534?cmp=rss

[backtothebeach]

21 hours ago, ERICOPOLY said:

A series of new studies, including two led by Ellebedy, suggest that mRNA vaccines like those from Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna trigger the immune system to establish long-term protection against severe COVID-19 — protection that likely will last several years or even longer, Ellebedy says.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/30/1032520934/immunity-to-covid-19-could-last-longer-than-youd-think

Thanks for posting this. I'd been wondering about the media focus on "waning antibody levels".

I already learned in school, decades ago, that vaccines are supposed to teach your body to have a template to produce antibodies quickly next time around - which is hopefully working with this one if mutations are small/slow enough.

If it was about keeping antibody levels high all the time, through vaccines, then we'd be looking at a subscription model (VaaS anyone?) I don't know if the vaccine producers are lobbying for this, but wouldn't be surprised.

[cwericb]

Here is how ridiculous things have come to in the United States.

Several States have been quite irate because Canada had not reopened the border to US citizens. So despite the high Covid rates in the US compared to Canada, we did so assuming this would be a mutual move.

But they did not reciprocate and not only has the US refused to open the border with Canada, they have now added to the insult by issuing at travel advisory against travel to Canada.

"Reconsider travel to Canada due to COVID-19.

Read the Department of State’s COVID-19 page before you plan any international travel.   

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has issued a Level 3  Travel Health Notice due to COVID-19, indicating a high level of COVID-19 in the country. Your risk of contracting COVID-19 and developing severe symptoms may be lower if you are fully vaccinated with an FDA authorized vaccine. Before planning any international travel, please review the CDC's specific recommendations for vaccinated and unvaccinated travelers.  Visit the Embassy's COVID-19 page  for more information on COVID-19 in Canada."

Note to the US: Our Covid rates is and has been far, far below those in the US on a per million population basis.

Be interesting to see how Florida, Arizona etc get on if we restrict travel to the US this winter.

 

 

[ERICOPOLY]

Abbott insisted he was putting “personal responsibility” ahead of “government mandates.” But, as the American Enterprise Institute’s Michael R. Strain noted for Bloomberg, Abbott has it backward. His order, Strain wrote, “is heavy-handed government stopping private entities from exercising their own understanding of what is responsible and what their customers and employees want.”

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/abbott-s-texas-covid-strategy-isn-t-just-post-conservative-n1277825?icid=msd_topgrid

[Peregrine]

15 hours ago, cwericb said:

Here is how ridiculous things have come to in the United States.

Several States have been quite irate because Canada had not reopened the border to US citizens. So despite the high Covid rates in the US compared to Canada, we did so assuming this would be a mutual move.

But they did not reciprocate and not only has the US refused to open the border with Canada, they have now added to the insult by issuing at travel advisory against travel to Canada.

"Reconsider travel to Canada due to COVID-19.

Read the Department of State’s COVID-19 page before you plan any international travel.   

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has issued a Level 3  Travel Health Notice due to COVID-19, indicating a high level of COVID-19 in the country. Your risk of contracting COVID-19 and developing severe symptoms may be lower if you are fully vaccinated with an FDA authorized vaccine. Before planning any international travel, please review the CDC's specific recommendations for vaccinated and unvaccinated travelers.  Visit the Embassy's COVID-19 page  for more information on COVID-19 in Canada."

Note to the US: Our Covid rates is and has been far, far below those in the US on a per million population basis.

Be interesting to see how Florida, Arizona etc get on if we restrict travel to the US this winter.

 

Inane policy. But this is what happens when you let politics and bureaucracy seep into everything.

[cwericb]

1 hour ago, Peregrine said:

Inane policy. But this is what happens when you let politics and bureaucracy seep into everything.

Yes it makes no sense to use Covid in keeping the US border closed while the Canadian border is open and Canada’s Covid problem has been so well better managed than in the US.

Here is an excellent chart showing how each province and state compares. I believe the chart is updated daily. For some reason they have included Canadian territories while omitting US territories.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/covid-19-in-the-u-s-how-do-canada-s-provinces-rank-against-american-states-1.5051033

What it shows is that every Canadian Province ranks far below US states in Covid rates with one exception - Alberta, which is coincidentally very right leaning.

The U.S. is clearly playing politics with this. Just one more cheap shot at Canada. 

 

[ERICOPOLY]

Maybe it's politics

2 hours ago, cwericb said:

The U.S. is clearly playing politics with this. Just one more cheap shot at Canada. 

Don't underestimate stupid. 

I have backpacking permits for Yosemite next week and we can still go because it is a "National Park".  Otherwise, every "National Forest" in California has now been closed due to "fire risk".  As if it's freaking possible to set fire to the rock landscape at 10,000 feet elevation.  Not all "national forest" lands can burn.

Edited September 1, 2021 by ERICOPOLY

[ERICOPOLY]

A third dose of the Moderna vaccine — given six months after the initial two doses — significantly boosts immunity, according to data the company submitted to the Food and Drug Administration on Wednesday.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronavirus-live-updates/2021/09/01/1033474298/moderna-fda-covid-19-booster-shot

[ERICOPOLY]

The slackers who have been dragging the economy down and putting stress on our hospitals to the detriment of us all are coming to their senses gradually.  Welcome to society, we care for each other, not just ourselves.:

The number of Americans who say they have gotten or will get a COVID vaccine is up to 79%, a 5-point improvement in a month.

https://www.npr.org/2021/09/03/1033750072/the-share-of-u-s-adults-willing-to-get-vaccinated-ticks-up-a-new-poll-finds