Bill Barr: Stolen Election Claims = "Clownish"-"Bullshit"

[Read the Footnotes]

An article emerges on the story of Bill Barr's resignation. Turns out it was the clownish bullshit that got him.

 

Off the Rails, Episode 4: Trump turns on Barr:

https://www.axios.com/trump-barr-relationship-off-the-rails-b33b3788-e7e9-47fa-84c5-3a0016559eb5.html

 

It was Dec. 1, nearly a month after the election, and Barr had some sharp advice to get off his chest. The president's theories about a stolen election, Barr told Trump, were "bullshit."

 

White House counsel Pat Cipollone and a few other aides in the room were shocked Barr had come out and said it — although they knew it was true. For good measure, the attorney general threw in a warning that the new legal team Trump was betting his future on was "clownish."

 

Trump had angrily dragged Barr in to explain himself after seeing a breaking AP story all over Twitter, with the headline: "Disputing Trump, Barr says no widespread election fraud." But Barr was not backing down. Three weeks later, he would be gone.

 

But Barr's respite ended after Election Day, as Trump teamed up with an array of conspiracy theorists to amplify preposterous theories of election interference, arguing that Biden and the Chinese Communist Party, among others, had stolen the election from him.

 

On Nov. 29, Trump told Fox News that Barr's Department of Justice was "missing in action." Barr was furious. In fact, the attorney general had jettisoned department precedent to speed up federal investigations of election fraud allegations. The Justice Department wasn't missing in action — there just wasn't any evidence of major fraud.

 

Barr gave an interview to the AP's beat reporter, Michael Balsamo, making this clear on the record. It would bring things to a head.

 

As he headed to the White House for meetings on Dec. 1, Barr knew Balsamo's story might go live while he was there. He soon found himself in the president's private dining room, along with Meadows, Cipollone, Trump and others. They sat at a long table under a glittering chandelier, amid Trump paraphernalia that was framed by floor-to-ceiling windows.

 

Trump was positioned in his usual seat at the head of the table, facing a huge flat-screen TV with the sound on low. On the screen, the conspiracy-drenched One America News network was playing a Michigan Senate hearing on election fraud.

 

Trump had seen Balsamo's story, and he was fuming. "Why would you say such a thing? You must hate Trump. There’s no other reason for it. You must hate Trump,” the president charged, speaking about himself in the third person.

 

"These things aren't panning out," Barr told the president, standing beside his chief of staff Will Levi. “The stuff that these people are filling your ear with just isn’t true.” Barr explained that if Trump wanted to contest the election results, the president's internal campaign lawyers would have to do it.

 

The Justice Department, he continued, had looked at the major fraud allegations that Trump's lawyers had leveled. "It's just bullshit," Barr told the president. Cipollone backed up Barr by saying the DOJ was investigating these claims.

 

Barr reiterated that the Justice Department was not ignoring the allegations, but that Trump's outside lawyers were doing a terrible job.

 

"I'm a pretty informed legal observer and I can't fucking figure out what the theory is here," he added. "It's just scattershot. It's all over the hill and gone."

 

Off the Rails, Episode 4: Trump turns on Barr

https://www.axios.com/trump-barr-relationship-off-the-rails-b33b3788-e7e9-47fa-84c5-3a0016559eb5.html

 

So according to this reporting. Barr quit because he could stand all the lying regarding election fraud. Also, it points out that the Justice Department was more aggressive and permissive than ever in allowing the investigation of fraud, but that permissiveness did not bear any fruit.

 

Here's the article referenced above that was one of the final straws with Barr and The Justice Department disagreeing with the conspiracy theories.

 

Disputing Trump, Barr says no widespread election fraud

https://apnews.com/article/barr-no-widespread-election-fraud-b1f1488796c9a98c4b1a9061a6c7f49d

 

And here are a couple of quotes from the December 1, 2020 article:

 

Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.”

 

Last month, Barr issued a directive to U.S. attorneys across the country allowing them to pursue any “substantial allegations” of voting irregularities before the 2020 presidential election was certified, despite no evidence at that time of widespread fraud.

 

That memorandum gave prosecutors the ability to go around longstanding Justice Department policy that normally would prohibit such overt actions before the election was certified. Soon after it was issued, the department’s top elections crime official announced he would step aside from that position because of the memo.

 

So the standards were so relaxed that it lead to at least one resignation, and yet still no investigations.

 

It's important to note that this article was dated before the reports of post election tampering by Trump and trumpists  in Georgia and possibly five other states. It's not clear how Barr or the Justice Department has responded to those events.

[cubsfan]

Not to worry RTF - you will get your show trials!

[cwericb]

Cubs what would it take for you to give up on supporting Trump?

 

You have seen all the comments coming from people who have left the administration, you have seen the results of Trump's legal BS that have been thrown out of court for no evidence. Surely there is a point where you say the guy is nuts and I am through making excuses for him. Do you sill think the election was rigged?

[Viking]

What this clearly demonstrates is Trump is a liar. Stolen election due to fraud? A big lie. As has been commented before... this is a value investing board. The evidence is overwhelming. Hopefully we can put a pitchfork in the ‘stolen election’ lie - who can argue with Barr, a Republican and Trump’s appointee.

 

And demanding loyalty to Trump BEFORE loyalty to country. Disgusting behaviour; disgusting individual. But we have known this for years. This is just further proof.

 

The good news is more and more people are seeing Trump for the truly ‘crazy uncle’ that he is.

[cubsfan]

There is nothing like the tyranny of the LEFT.

 

You guys can have your criminal, Joe Biden, in the office.  Hopefully, he can still talk by the end of the year.

 

 

[Viking]

There is nothing like the tyranny of the LEFT.

 

You guys can have your criminal, Joe Biden, in the office.  Hopefully, he can still talk by the end of the year.

 

Cubs, Biden was elected President on November 3. Now what has he said or done since then that warrants branding him a ‘criminal’? He says something pretty much every day... so there should be many, many examples of behaviour from him over the past 10 weeks that supports your ‘criminal’ tag.

 

What we are discussing above is what Trump has DONE since Nov 3. ACTUAL WORDS AND BEHAVIOUR.

 

[Gregmal]

What I really wonder is how many of these beacons of liberal light fit the following box:

 

-live in low crime neighborhood with 90% or greater white population

-have 4+ years of post high school education that was paid for by their parents

-inherited/stand to inherit 7 figures or more

-dont own their own businesses or employ anyone

 

 

If we remove the virtue signaling leeches and hypocrites who preach from their elitist bubbles we may actually see the country move towards the middle. The majority of the divide comes from folks who take from society but offer nothing in return, and both sow plus support the divide to ensure that they keep things the way that benefit them. And yes, Trump checks a lot of those boxes. So do a lot of folks here I'd presume, and most definitely once you start looking into the swamp...almost all of them do.

 

[investor-man]

What I really wonder is how many of these beacons of liberal light fit the following box:

 

-live in low crime neighborhood with 90% or greater white population

-have 4+ years of post high school education that was paid for by their parents

-inherited/stand to inherit 7 figures or more

-dont own their own businesses or employ anyone

 

 

If we remove the virtue signaling leeches and hypocrites who preach from their elitist bubbles we may actually see the country move towards the middle. The majority of the divide comes from folks who take from society but offer nothing in return, and both sow plus support the divide to ensure that they keep things the way that benefit them. And yes, Trump checks a lot of those boxes. So do a lot of folks here I'd presume, and most definitely once you start looking into the swamp...almost all of them do.

 

Huh? Trump incited a riot that breached the Capitol building. He refused to answer any pleas for help. He did it to intimidate his Vice President into attempting a last ditch effort to steal the election. You think it's liberal.elitists who are causing the political division? F*ck that. Everyone should be outraged by Trump's behavior. If you aren't then you are spineless and/or dillusional. You want to heal the nation? Dump that trash from the GOP. He doesn't represent conservative values in any way, unless you consider crony capitalism and racism to be "conservative values", which I don't.

[cubsfan]

There is nothing like the tyranny of the LEFT.

 

You guys can have your criminal, Joe Biden, in the office.  Hopefully, he can still talk by the end of the year.

 

Cubs, Biden was elected President on November 3. Now what has he said or done since then that warrants branding him a ‘criminal’? He says something pretty much every day... so there should be many, many examples of behaviour from him over the past 10 weeks that supports your ‘criminal’ tag.

 

What we are discussing above is what Trump has DONE since Nov 3. ACTUAL WORDS AND BEHAVIOUR.

 

Viking - you conveniently exclude the payoffs to Joe's crackhead son and leech brother James - from China, Russia & Ukraine.

Don't worry - "pay to play" Joe, is in no way compromised by his ACTUAL WORDS AND BEHAVIOUR.

 

Back to your basement bunker Vik.

[cubsfan]

What I really wonder is how many of these beacons of liberal light fit the following box:

 

-live in low crime neighborhood with 90% or greater white population

-have 4+ years of post high school education that was paid for by their parents

-inherited/stand to inherit 7 figures or more

-dont own their own businesses or employ anyone

 

 

If we remove the virtue signaling leeches and hypocrites who preach from their elitist bubbles we may actually see the country move towards the middle. The majority of the divide comes from folks who take from society but offer nothing in return, and both sow plus support the divide to ensure that they keep things the way that benefit them. And yes, Trump checks a lot of those boxes. So do a lot of folks here I'd presume, and most definitely once you start looking into the swamp...almost all of them do.

 

Huh? Trump incited a riot that breached the Capitol building. He refused to answer any pleas for help. He did it to intimidate his Vice President into attempting a last ditch effort to steal the election. You think it's liberal.elitists who are causing the political division? F*ck that. Everyone should be outraged by Trump's behavior. If you aren't then you are spineless and/or dillusional. You want to heal the nation? Dump that trash from the GOP. He doesn't represent conservative values in any way, unless you consider crony capitalism and racism to be "conservative values", which I don't.

 

The "trash" from the Cheat-to-Win Democrats is what has gotten us here. Now they will "heal the nation" after they demonize all political opposition,

silence any media critics, and thoroughly penalize the working middle class that only Trump supported.  But, hey, you won - and your "trash" is

now in control of the country - preparing the re-education of the opposition, lest they be banished from all discourse. Better get rid of all those

"racists" and those love that traditional American values. Your buddies from BLM and AntiFA lead the way for widespread persecution.

[cwericb]

What I really wonder is how many of these beacons of liberal light fit the following box:

 

-live in low crime neighborhood with 90% or greater white population

-have 4+ years of post high school education that was paid for by their parents

-inherited/stand to inherit 7 figures or more

-dont own their own businesses or employ anyone

 

 

Never assume.

For starters, I paid for my own way through university by working 3 jobs - at the same time - while in university. Two part time jobs and one full time. Bar tending/reserve airforce/deputy sheriff.

Inheritance? Only if you include a 1/3 interest in a $100,000 house, nor did I ever accept a single cent from my parents.

Own business? No but I helped run one for a long, long time.

 

But then again I don't consider to be on the left, nor would I ever support a leader with obvious serious mental issues.

[Gregmal]

What I really wonder is how many of these beacons of liberal light fit the following box:

 

-live in low crime neighborhood with 90% or greater white population

-have 4+ years of post high school education that was paid for by their parents

-inherited/stand to inherit 7 figures or more

-dont own their own businesses or employ anyone

 

 

Never assume.

For starters, I paid for my own way through university by working 3 jobs - at the same time - while in university. Two part time jobs and one full time. Bar tending/reserve airforce/deputy sheriff.

Inheritance? Only if you include a 1/3 interest in a $100,000 house, nor did I ever accept a single cent from my parents.

Own business? No but I helped run one for a long, long time.

 

But then again I don't consider to be on the left, nor would I ever support a leader with obvious serious mental issues.

 

Ding, ding, ding.

 

You may have some crazy Trump hatred, but from your history and style, I certainly wouldn't have pegged you as a liberal elite. Most of the folks who check the boxes I listed wouldn't survive for 3 hours outside of their McMansions and 90% white communities. They know nothing about how the world works outside of whats taught in the textbooks/curriculum, and yet, nevertheless seem to think they know enough to tell us all about right and wrong and how to live.

 

Think of guys like Anderson Cooper...or the people who have those "We Believe" yard signs....and no, not referring to the X Files but indeed they are bizarrely "out there".

[Parsad]

What I really wonder is how many of these beacons of liberal light fit the following box:

 

-live in low crime neighborhood with 90% or greater white population

-have 4+ years of post high school education that was paid for by their parents

-inherited/stand to inherit 7 figures or more

-dont own their own businesses or employ anyone

 

 

If we remove the virtue signaling leeches and hypocrites who preach from their elitist bubbles we may actually see the country move towards the middle. The majority of the divide comes from folks who take from society but offer nothing in return, and both sow plus support the divide to ensure that they keep things the way that benefit them. And yes, Trump checks a lot of those boxes. So do a lot of folks here I'd presume, and most definitely once you start looking into the swamp...almost all of them do.

 

- I live in a relatively high crime neighbourhood in Cloverdale/South Surrey with a very diverse population.

- I dropped out in my 3rd year...my parents did not pay for my education.

- I did not and do not expect to inherit anything except some furniture...self-made.

- I own a couple of businesses, and through PDH and its investments, we employ a couple dozen people.

 

0 for 4 Greg.  Great batting average!  Your opinion and belief of what it means to be a liberal is so far out of whack!  Cheers!

[Parsad]

What I really wonder is how many of these beacons of liberal light fit the following box:

 

-live in low crime neighborhood with 90% or greater white population

-have 4+ years of post high school education that was paid for by their parents

-inherited/stand to inherit 7 figures or more

-dont own their own businesses or employ anyone

 

 

Never assume.

For starters, I paid for my own way through university by working 3 jobs - at the same time - while in university. Two part time jobs and one full time. Bar tending/reserve airforce/deputy sheriff.

Inheritance? Only if you include a 1/3 interest in a $100,000 house, nor did I ever accept a single cent from my parents.

Own business? No but I helped run one for a long, long time.

 

But then again I don't consider to be on the left, nor would I ever support a leader with obvious serious mental issues.

 

Ding, ding, ding.

 

You may have some crazy Trump hatred, but from your history and style, I certainly wouldn't have pegged you as a liberal elite. Most of the folks who check the boxes I listed wouldn't survive for 3 hours outside of their McMansions and 90% white communities. They know nothing about how the world works outside of whats taught in the textbooks/curriculum, and yet, nevertheless seem to think they know enough to tell us all about right and wrong and how to live.

 

Think of guys like Anderson Cooper...or the people who have those "We Believe" yard signs....and no, not referring to the X Files but indeed they are bizarrely "out there".

 

Ironically, Anderson Cooper is self-made.  He did not inherit a cent until his Mom died recently.  And I would imagine that most of your right-wing cohorts certainly fit the traits you dug up for liberals. 

 

Actually Trump fits three out of four to a tee:  lives in a white neighbourhood, family paid for his education and for people to take his tests, inherited a fortune...the one he doesn't fit...owns his own business and employs others. 

 

The last criteria seems a weird point, as most small businesses are only 40% Republican and only 27% vote based on straight party.  In other words, they vote on policy and that changes.  Cheers!

 

https://nsba.biz/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Politics-Survey-2020.pdf

 

 

[Gregmal]

LMFAO Anderson Cooper self made? Didnt he attend Dalton? Wasnt grandpa a Vanderbilt? From his bio page:

 

Cooper's media experience began early. As a baby, he was photographed by Diane Arbus for Harper's Bazaar.[5][6] At the age of three, Cooper was a guest on The Tonight Show on September 17, 1970, appearing with his mother.[citation needed] At the age of nine, he appeared on To Tell the Truth as an impostor. From age 10 to 13, Cooper modeled with Ford Models for Ralph Lauren, Calvin Klein and Macy's.[7]

 

 

Totally self made. It appears you purposely misrepresent my point. Sure there are exceptions. But the biggest whiners and crybabies consistently fit a profile of being out of touch and living in closed off or gated communities where they dont have to deal with the problems they create.

 

And yea, in case you missed it, I stated in my OP, And yes, Trump checks a lot of those boxes.

 

My point about owning businesses and employing people is totally relevant. Too many of the elitist clowns suck paychecks from high security w2 jobs(such as politicians or teachers do) without ever knowing or being capable of appreciating the rigors of building or supporting anything...nor appreciating the insanity of the stupid policies they support.

[cubsfan]

^^^ You actually think that Anderson Cooper gives a shit about working class deplorables that make and deliver his food, keep his toilet running

and his lights on??

 

Of course not - all he cares about is missing his next wine and cheese party with Gavin Newsome & Katie Kouric!

[Parsad]

LMFAO Anderson Cooper self made? Didnt he attend Dalton? Wasnt grandpa a Vanderbilt? From his bio page:

 

Cooper's media experience began early. As a baby, he was photographed by Diane Arbus for Harper's Bazaar.[5][6] At the age of three, Cooper was a guest on The Tonight Show on September 17, 1970, appearing with his mother.[citation needed] At the age of nine, he appeared on To Tell the Truth as an impostor. From age 10 to 13, Cooper modeled with Ford Models for Ralph Lauren, Calvin Klein and Macy's.[7]

 

 

Totally self made. It appears you purposely misrepresent my point. Sure there are exceptions. But the biggest whiners and crybabies consistently fit a profile of being out of touch and living in closed off or gated communities where they dont have to deal with the problems they create.

 

And yea, in case you missed it, I stated in my OP, And yes, Trump checks a lot of those boxes.

 

My point about owning businesses and employing people is totally relevant. Too many of the elitist clowns suck paychecks from high security w2 jobs(such as politicians or teachers do) without ever knowing or being capable of appreciating the rigors of building or supporting anything...nor appreciating the insanity of the stupid policies they support.

 

He's a Vanderbilt, but did not inherit anything until recently.  Unlike Trump!  Cheers!

[Parsad]

^^^ You actually think that Anderson Cooper gives a shit about working class deplorables that make and deliver his food, keep his toilet running

and his lights on??

 

Of course not - all he cares about is missing his next wine and cheese party with Gavin Newsome & Katie Kouric!

 

His charitable work:

 

https://www.looktothestars.org/celebrity/anderson-cooper

 

How much he's inherited from the Vanderbilt empire...nothing.  He inherited $1.5M when his Mom passed.  No trust fund kid!  Unlike Trump and all of his children.  Did he have an advantage as his family was financially secure...sure.  But no more than most people on here who are independently wealthy and have children.

 

https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a13788110/anderson-cooper-net-worth/

 

Cheers!

 

 

[Gregmal]

Got it. Anderson Cooper, self made baby model and catalogue critter all by the age of 10, Dalton prepped, now fighting for the little guy! Champion of the liberal elite.

 

Guys like this certainly know the struggles of average Americans, and we should continue relying on their 2 cents $200 opinions on how to fix the problems! Now, if only we can get a quote from some scholar at Yale or Harvard!

[Parsad]

Got it. Anderson Cooper, self made baby model and catalogue critter all by the age of 10, Dalton prepped, now fighting for the little guy! Champion of the liberal elite.

 

Guys like this certainly know the struggles of average Americans, and we should continue relying on their 2 cents $200 opinions on how to fix the problems! Now, if only we can get a quote from some scholar at Yale or Harvard!

 

Not saying that.  All I'm saying is how is Anderson Cooper worse than Buffett's kids?  Even you have to admit he was less privileged than Trump's kids who sit in government positions they have zero qualifications for.  And he inherits nothing, whereas Trump's kids...none are self-made...Ivanka might be the only one who has worked outside of the Trump empire at any time.  Cheers!

[Gregmal]

And my point is that we should stop letting elitist schmucks who's real life experience is basically reading textbooks at $60k a year schools before moving onto posh white collar w2 jobs lecture America on whats needed...

[cubsfan]

Got it. Anderson Cooper, self made baby model and catalogue critter all by the age of 10, Dalton prepped, now fighting for the little guy! Champion of the liberal elite.

 

Guys like this certainly know the struggles of average Americans, and we should continue relying on their 2 cents $200 opinions on how to fix the problems! Now, if only we can get a quote from some scholar at Yale or Harvard!

 

Not saying that.  All I'm saying is how is Anderson Cooper worse than Buffett's kids?  Even you have to admit he was less privileged than Trump's kids who sit in government positions they have zero qualifications for.  And he inherits nothing, whereas Trump's kids...none are self-made...Ivanka might be the only one who has worked outside of the Trump empire at any time.  Cheers!

 

HA! Big difference - Jared Kushner & Ivanka brought amazing and historic progress to the Middle East - something no one thought possible.

Certainly not Obama, that could not stand Israel!

 

What Kushner did was truly historic - and of course, all the think tank Ivy Leaguers in Washington said it could not be done.

[Parsad]

And my point is that we should stop letting elitist schmucks who's real life experience is basically reading textbooks at $60k a year schools before moving onto posh white collar w2 jobs lecture America on whats needed...

 

I have no problem with that sentiment if you are referring to elitist schmucks on both sides.  But if you are pointing the finger at only the left-wing, then you need to do a deeper dive into who and what makes up the right-wing.  Cheers!

[Parsad]

Got it. Anderson Cooper, self made baby model and catalogue critter all by the age of 10, Dalton prepped, now fighting for the little guy! Champion of the liberal elite.

 

Guys like this certainly know the struggles of average Americans, and we should continue relying on their 2 cents $200 opinions on how to fix the problems! Now, if only we can get a quote from some scholar at Yale or Harvard!

 

Not saying that.  All I'm saying is how is Anderson Cooper worse than Buffett's kids?  Even you have to admit he was less privileged than Trump's kids who sit in government positions they have zero qualifications for.  And he inherits nothing, whereas Trump's kids...none are self-made...Ivanka might be the only one who has worked outside of the Trump empire at any time.  Cheers!

 

HA! Big difference - Jared Kushner & Ivanka brought amazing and historic progress to the Middle East - something no one thought possible.

Certainly not Obama, that could not stand Israel!

 

What Kushner did was truly historic - and of course, all the think tank Ivy Leaguers in Washington said it could not be done.

 

Ivanka did shit all in the Middle East!  So the Trump kids have done shit all outside of the Trump empire, other than Ivanka's modeling and retail business work. 

 

Also, the historic progress...Morocco and UAE do not make up Middle East.  Kudos for that progress, yes.  Historic...not in proportion to ACTUAL history.

Cheers!