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I'd like to try to summarize some of the on topic posts in this thread so far.

 

So looks like we have:

- a couple of people who support Trump and would like to "burn it down", and

-maybe some people with other views who would like to "burn it down", but

 

None of these people who might choose Trump over their neighbors or 200+ years of democracy has an example of another country that they prefer to the USA. So it might be that in their estimation, the USA is great again, but they are ready to burn it all to the ground.

 

Any other Trump supporters want to be the first to post an example of a country that gets it right and then explain to us what can be learned from that country?

 

Wasn't Bernie saying US need to be Nordic?  Are you not banning the 1st amendment.  Aren't you trying to institute an entirely new system.  You are then going to turn around and spew this...shit.

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Yea I currently live in NJ so I am A-OK dealing with it. Additionally, Ive got some family members who are laughers as well that I get along with fine. My aunt on one side is a total granola eating infant who in her 50s divorced her husband and took a job at Starbucks to "find herself", then on the other side we have a laughably stereotypical New England aunt and uncle. Academic finance dude with a bunch of three letter "look at all the tests I've passed" designations with a "teacher" wife who proudly boasts a fake doctor title. My little brother's fiancé is a crazy new age Twitter liberal as well. All are fine folks just caricatures at time. Give me land, access to the ocean with a few good fishing ponds, and neighbors/cities close enough to get to in a day but far enough that I have my space and I am all good.

 

Boating here is pretty good, land and housing prices are not crazy - yet, but getting there. Fishing ranges from fresh water to salt. Lately they have been getting a lot of striped bass fishing from the beaches, speaking of which in my province we have some of the best in the world. People in general are polite and friendly, but still don't infringe on your privacy and crime is pretty well combined to petty stuff.  Then again we do have the odd nut cases. Lots of waterfront available but at a price, but $1 CDN = .80 U$

If you ever need any info let me know.

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Yea I currently live in NJ so I am A-OK dealing with it. Additionally, Ive got some family members who are laughers as well that I get along with fine. My aunt on one side is a total granola eating infant who in her 50s divorced her husband and took a job at Starbucks to "find herself", then on the other side we have a laughably stereotypical New England aunt and uncle. Academic finance dude with a bunch of three letter "look at all the tests I've passed" designations with a "teacher" wife who proudly boasts a fake doctor title. My little brother's fiancé is a crazy new age Twitter liberal as well. All are fine folks just caricatures at time. Give me land, access to the ocean with a few good fishing ponds, and neighbors/cities close enough to get to in a day but far enough that I have my space and I am all good.

 

Boating here is pretty good, land and housing prices are not crazy - yet, but getting there. Fishing ranges from fresh water to salt. Lately they have been getting a lot of striped bass fishing from the beaches, speaking of which in my province we have some of the best in the world. People in general are polite and friendly, but still don't infringe on your privacy and crime is pretty well combined to petty stuff.  Then again we do have the odd nut cases. Lots of waterfront available but at a price, but $1 CDN = .80 U$

If you ever need any info let me know.

 

Thanks for the info. Yea, the internet can send everyone wild, but like I mentioned within my family and friend circle, its pretty easy for everyone to get along. Theres productive things that come about from free, no holds barred discussion, but mainly its just entertainment. In the real world people tend to view each other as people rather than dirty liberals or stupid republicans. Cheers

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You guys in the States are a lot more political than we are up here. We have two main parties and two more socialistic parties and I doubt that more than 30% of the population would classify themselves as leaning towards any particular party.

 

Greg, or anyone else, feel free to PM me if you ever want any info on property or anything else in the Maritime Provinces.

 

For anyone in the US giving any serious thought to moving here sometime in the future I would strongly suggest that first, a summer vacation in the area, and then perhaps the purchase of a summer home or cottage - whenever this Covid crap is over. 

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For anyone in the US giving any serious thought to moving here sometime in the future I would strongly suggest that first, a summer vacation in the area, and then perhaps the purchase of a summer home or cottage - whenever this Covid crap is over.

 

OT.

 

For anyone in the US giving any serious thought to moving here sometime in the future I would strongly suggest that first spend a winter there.  8)

 

Although for some locations the winter might not be much worse than the one in Chicago.

 

For anyone moving abroad IMO one of the big questions has to be how the target country handles non-citizens/non-residents (should I call them "partly-legal immigrants"? I'm just gonna acronym to NCNRs) in terms of healthcare. Some "socialist" countries are fine to allow NCNRs to leech. Some require reasonably priced insurance or direct payments to medical doctors/facilities. Some assume that any NCNR is a money bag who has to pay 2x-10x locals. Some only have a very limited number of private (possibly very expensive) healthcare facilities that accept NCNR. Check that before going to target country permanently.  ::)

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"For anyone in the US giving any serious thought to moving here sometime in the future I would strongly suggest that first spend a winter there."  :)

 

Yeah, there is that. But I don't know if it is climate change or what, but every year our weather gets warmer and warmer. In 2020 we set new average temperature highs 11 months out of 12. Our days with temperatures over 20C (68F) increased by a full 20% - not a small number.

 

Used to be no one had A/C now most houses have a heat pump for heating and cooling and the government subsidizes them.

 

My sister and husband bought a 'ruin' in Portugal and had it rebuilt at an amazingly low price and have been spending more and more time there. I am amazed at how much of their social programs (like medical) seem to cover them. They decided to take Portuguese courses and were shocked to find out that they were not free - the government actually paid them to take the course!

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Here's where I'm at, one side is lying and it would be easy to figure out who is lying by allowing a non-partisan inspection of the voting machines and mail-in ballots.  That's what Arizona, Georgia, and Pennsylvania are working towards (I believe).

 

Donald Trump’s *personal attorney* went to prison for election fraud. With your own eyes, you can see the check - written by Trump Org - to reimburse Michael Cohen, and you can hear Trump discuss it with Cohen on tape. None of the evidence Trump's team has presented is this concrete.

 

It’s awful easy to see who is lying here. It’s been slapping you in the face for the last four years.

 

I see they're not going near your post with a 10 foot pole.

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Here's where I'm at, one side is lying and it would be easy to figure out who is lying by allowing a non-partisan inspection of the voting machines and mail-in ballots.  That's what Arizona, Georgia, and Pennsylvania are working towards (I believe).

 

Donald Trump’s *personal attorney* went to prison for election fraud. With your own eyes, you can see the check - written by Trump Org - to reimburse Michael Cohen, and you can hear Trump discuss it with Cohen on tape. None of the evidence Trump's team has presented is this concrete.

 

It’s awful easy to see who is lying here. It’s been slapping you in the face for the last four years.

 

That's great.  What does any of that have to do with this election other than Trump is a fraudster and shouldn't be trusted?  Just because he's a POS doesn't mean the allegations are all false.

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Here's where I'm at, one side is lying and it would be easy to figure out who is lying by allowing a non-partisan inspection of the voting machines and mail-in ballots.  That's what Arizona, Georgia, and Pennsylvania are working towards (I believe).

 

Donald Trump’s *personal attorney* went to prison for election fraud. With your own eyes, you can see the check - written by Trump Org - to reimburse Michael Cohen, and you can hear Trump discuss it with Cohen on tape. None of the evidence Trump's team has presented is this concrete.

 

It’s awful easy to see who is lying here. It’s been slapping you in the face for the last four years.

 

That's great.  What does any of that have to do with this election other than Trump is a fraudster and shouldn't be trusted?  Just because he's a POS doesn't mean the allegations are all false.

 

It is Trump who is making the allegations so you believe the "fraudster" over the courts who have thrown out 61 of 61 of his attempts to discredit the vote?

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JRM's mistakes are equivalent to someone who is deciding between investing in company A and B.

 

They read company A's 10-K and find some "concerning items". They don't bother reading company B's filings. They choose to invest in company B due to "problems" in company A's 10-k even though they never read company B's filing.

 

The Availability heuristic/Availability bias is involved, along with a few others.

 

If you want to be objective, you have to look at company B (and C, D, E...). You'll have to look at fraudulent votes that went to Trump (literally crickets about this). You'll have to compare with other recent Presidential elections to see if fraud was elevated compared to 2016, 2012, 2008, etc... (spoiler: it was not).

 

Unless you want to dig through at least a bunch of recent Presidential elections (I assure you, there were "problems" and "errors" in all of them as there will be when you are counting > 100M votes) and compare with 2020, you are committing the bias. Unless you want to count fraud that went Trump's way, you are committing the bias.

 

Then you have to look at the magnitude of the "concerning items". Take "number of erroneous votes for Biden" and subtract "number of erroneous votes for Trump" and see if the resulting number at all comes close to impacting state by state results (spoiler: it does not).

 

As with investing or elections, you have to figure out whether the "concerning items" in a 10-K filing or election are actually material to your investment/election outcome. Spoiler alert: the "concerning items" with an ounce of truth to them were not anywhere close to material in the 2020 election.

 

If you are going to avoid investing any time there is any concerning item/red flag in an investment, you will never make it beyond the "risks" section of the 10-K. You will be paralyzed and never be able to make any investment.

 

Of course "looking at company B" also means looking at the "concerning items" that went in Trump's favor. A lot of these folks conveniently ignore all the "concerning items" that went in Trump's favor:

 

It looks like Donald Trump was right after all. Authorities say they have uncovered evidence of Pennsylvania voter fraud — a dead person voting.

Don’t expect the president to boast about it, though. It was one of his supporters who was nabbed.

Again.

This is the third case of authorities filing voter fraud charges in Pennsylvania. All three of the accused are Republicans, in case you’ve lost track.

 

https://www.mcall.com/opinion/mc-opi-pennsylvania-voter-fraud-donald-trump-muschick-20201223-cnltcwpt4rc3bje7gpvam2l6nm-story.html

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Here's where I'm at, one side is lying and it would be easy to figure out who is lying by allowing a non-partisan inspection of the voting machines and mail-in ballots.  That's what Arizona, Georgia, and Pennsylvania are working towards (I believe).

 

Donald Trump’s *personal attorney* went to prison for election fraud. With your own eyes, you can see the check - written by Trump Org - to reimburse Michael Cohen, and you can hear Trump discuss it with Cohen on tape. None of the evidence Trump's team has presented is this concrete.

 

It’s awful easy to see who is lying here. It’s been slapping you in the face for the last four years.

 

That's great.  What does any of that have to do with this election other than Trump is a fraudster and shouldn't be trusted?  Just because he's a POS doesn't mean the allegations are all false.

 

It is Trump who is making the allegations so you believe the "fraudster" over the courts who have thrown out 61 of 61 of his attempts to discredit the vote?

 

On this point, I agree with the right wing guys.  Not that Trump isn't a criminal, but so far, the courts have done an awful job proving their case...eg. The Russian Investigation.  I still don't know how they didn't nail him for that alone...but it's like Canada's Air India case, which was full of technical mistakes that negated the evidence that was incriminating. 

 

That being said, if there are investigations that are going to be brought forth against Trump and his empire, then the government better win the damn cases, because otherwise the conspiracy nutjobs are going to explode and the legions believing it are going to swell even higher.  Cheers!

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"Then you have to look at the magnitude of the "concerning items". Take "number of erroneous votes for Biden" and subtract "number of erroneous votes for Trump" and see if the resulting number at all comes close to impacting state by state results (spoiler: it does not)."

 

Do you have a source for this information?

 

How are you able to quantify fraudulent votes for trump vs biden when nobody has access to the voting machines?  Are you relying on the same "faulty" logic as Trump's legal teams?

 

What about the constitutionality of the changes to election process in numerous states (Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and probably more).  Clearly illegal to anybody rationally evaluating the situation.  The question is, why didn't anybody do anything before the election.  They claimed they couldn't take the issues to court before the election because "nobody was harmed".  In most all cases, the courts helped make the changes (read that sentence again).  They bring these issues to the courts after the election and the courts say "you should have come to us before the election."  It's a flawed system.

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On this point, I agree with the right wing guys.  Not that Trump isn't a criminal, but so far, the courts have done an awful job proving their case...eg. The Russian Investigation.  I still don't know how they didn't nail him for that alone...but it's like Canada's Air India case, which was full of technical mistakes that negated the evidence that was incriminating. 

 

That being said, if there are investigations that are going to be brought forth against Trump and his empire, then the government better win the damn cases, because otherwise the conspiracy nutjobs are going to explode and the legions believing it are going to swell even higher.  Cheers!

I predict that the system of justice in the USA will start to look more competent in about 70 hours.

 

https://howmanydaystill.com/its/trump-gone-8

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What is truly frightening is that millions of Americans are still so gullible that they really believe the propaganda that Trump and his team have produced. Combining that with the mistrust Trump has sowed about the free press leaves the country in a very vulnerable position. Russia, China, Korea, Iran and others around the world must be overjoyed.

 

The people that want to see the government overthrown seem to have no idea of what they want to replace it with with and any vacuum would be quickly filled with a dictatorship that would serve its own ends.  I would strongly suggest that those who support Trump educate themselves on the rise of Hitler and how he reached the position where he was able to start a world war.

 

 

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"Then you have to look at the magnitude of the "concerning items". Take "number of erroneous votes for Biden" and subtract "number of erroneous votes for Trump" and see if the resulting number at all comes close to impacting state by state results (spoiler: it does not)."

 

Do you have a source for this information?

Well, I think the primary mistake that Dalal made was overlooking a massive fraud. There are accusations of a massive criminal conspiracy that is very likely to result in at least some criminal convictions. Though it wasn't successful, that attempted fraud involved almost 12,000 votes and could have resulted in changing the outcome of one of the States that Trump was trying to contest.

 

There are further indications that the same techniques might have been applied in five other states and that it is possible there may be evidence of wrong doing in these other states that the public doesn't yet know about. It's actually more common for prosecutors to not let the public know what is going on than to disclose information publicly before charging people. In fact if they do leak information, it is often to encourage others to come forward with information.

 

So as JRM suggested earlier there may be many criminal cases and convictions forthcoming and we are just going to have to be patient.

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"Then you have to look at the magnitude of the "concerning items". Take "number of erroneous votes for Biden" and subtract "number of erroneous votes for Trump" and see if the resulting number at all comes close to impacting state by state results (spoiler: it does not)."

 

Do you have a source for this information?

 

How are you able to quantify fraudulent votes for trump vs biden when nobody has access to the voting machines?  Are you relying on the same "faulty" logic as Trump's legal teams?

 

What about the constitutionality of the changes to election process in numerous states (Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and probably more).  Clearly illegal to anybody rationally evaluating the situation.  The question is, why didn't anybody do anything before the election.  They claimed they couldn't take the issues to court before the election because "nobody was harmed".  In most all cases, the courts helped make the changes (read that sentence again).  They bring these issues to the courts after the election and the courts say "you should have come to us before the election."  It's a flawed system.

 

State election officials (many of which are Republican) have access to the machines. Why did hand recount confirm the machine count? Why did Newsmax/Fox/etc stop talking about Dominion when the threat of defamation suits came about?

 

Why are you concerned about fraud in 2020 and not 2016, 2012, 2008? Why are you concerned about Biden fraud when there is verified evidence of more Trump fraud in some states like PA (the accusations that are public with actual defendants/legitimate cases). Why are you holding 2020 to a different standard than all the other elections? The only reason is because of Trump.

 

Same answer as to why folks were concerned with Hillary's emails and not Trump's. Or Obama's birth certificate.

 

Like I said, Trump is failed President, but a successful Troll.

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ya, I originally went down this rabbit hole looking for some asymmetric opportunities.  We're at the point (barring extreme but unlikely outcomes) that arguing about it isn't really a productive use of time. 

 

Dalal, these days most of the books I read are either about history or behavioral economics, so I'm very familiar with the concepts you are referring to.  Something important to remember is that just because you are aware of psychological flaws is not sufficient to avoid falling prey.  It's not like you can just say, 'there's an alligator; I'll just walk around it.'

 

I appreciate the civil discussion.

 

 

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"Then you have to look at the magnitude of the "concerning items". Take "number of erroneous votes for Biden" and subtract "number of erroneous votes for Trump" and see if the resulting number at all comes close to impacting state by state results (spoiler: it does not)."

 

Do you have a source for this information?

 

How are you able to quantify fraudulent votes for trump vs biden when nobody has access to the voting machines?  Are you relying on the same "faulty" logic as Trump's legal teams?

 

What about the constitutionality of the changes to election process in numerous states (Arizona, Georgia, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and probably more).  Clearly illegal to anybody rationally evaluating the situation.  The question is, why didn't anybody do anything before the election.  They claimed they couldn't take the issues to court before the election because "nobody was harmed".  In most all cases, the courts helped make the changes (read that sentence again).  They bring these issues to the courts after the election and the courts say "you should have come to us before the election."  It's a flawed system.

 

State election officials (many of which are Republican) have access to the machines. Why did hand recount confirm the machine count? Why did Newsmax/Fox/etc stop talking about Dominion when the threat of defamation suits came about?

 

Why are you concerned about fraud in 2020 and not 2016, 2012, 2008? Why are you concerned about Biden fraud when there is verified evidence of more Trump fraud in some states like PA (the accusations that are public with actual defendants/legitimate cases). Why are you holding 2020 to a different standard than all the other elections? The only reason is because of Trump.

 

Same answer as to why folks were concerned with Hillary's emails and not Trump's. Or Obama's birth certificate.

 

Like I said, Trump is failed President, but a successful Troll.

 

Cumulus Media threatened to fire Mark Levin and others if they continued talking about election fraud.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/talk-radio-owner-threatens-to-fire-hosts-who-dispute-election-results/ar-BB1cExxL

 

Also, the speed with which conservative media flipped is a great indication they all new it was false and indefensible in a court. Here's a summary of a Newsmax statement:

 

Tabacco said in the statement that “various guests, elected officials and attorneys” have made the claims on air, but the network hasn’t actually reported them. A Newsmax spokesperson confirmed to TheWrap that the statement has run more than once and is expected to air on subsequent programs.

 

Tabacco said there are “several facts” viewers should be aware of: “Newsmax has found no evidence either Dominion or Smartmatic owns the other, or has any business association with each other. We have no evidence Dominion uses Smartmatic’s software of vice versa. No evidence has been offered that Dominion or Smartmatic used software or reprogrammed software that manipulated votes in the 2020 election.”

 

He further noted that “neither Dominion nor Smartmatic has any relationship with George Soros,” the billionaire philanthropist, or late Venezuelan leader Hugo Chavez, both of whom have been at the center of many recent right-wing conspiracies.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/newsmax-admits-no-evidence-voting-213430840.html

 

There were several instances of Fox fact checking themselves is one of the strangest segments on television ever. Here's one of the less bizarre instances.

 

https://video.foxbusiness.com/v/6217257237001#sp=show-clips

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I'm happy to have a civil discussion, but after some point, you recognize it becomes impossible to "prove" certain things like:

 

"Prove we actually landed on the moon"

 

There is footage and lots of evidence of it, but the folks who doubt it will always demand more evidence and move the goalposts further back. In the end, they will believe what they want to believe.

 

"Ships will sail around the world, but the Flat Earth Society will continue to flourish." --Buffett

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What's truly frightening is the Democrats effort to totally re-write history and bury their own crimes.

 

Looks like they will be successful with their Gestapo tactics and efforts to "cancel", doxx, and persecute any opposition that does not agree with them.

"Fear" is the operative word for Democrats.  Now that they have the upper hand, they will use their power to erase history and facts.

Anything they don't like will be "crimes of sedition". Any populist movement will be treasonist. The Democrats know exactly what they are doing.

 

Better be careful JRM - the CoBF totalitarians are going to be after you too.

 

Don't concern yourself with the fact that their was widespread cheating during the election. That the Obama Administration spied on their

political opponents - and used their surveillance and taxing powers to punish their political opponents. That they paid for Russian disinformation

to frame the incoming President as a Russian traitor - when they, in fact, were the traitors. That they boycotted the Presidential inauguration and

began their impeachment efforts BEFORE Trump took office. That they conducted a sham impeachment hearing when in fact, it was THEIR

Presidential Candidate, Biden, who indeed was guilty of bribing a foreign power to keep his crack-head son out of trouble. That their party, took

funding from the criminals and anarchists of BLM & Antifa - and THEN bailed them out - after burning down the country.

 

It becomes easy to see the rewriting of history and cancelling of political opposition - like good Bolsheviks - is in 100% turbo mode as we

enter the Biden Administration.

 

Be proud of your cheaters CoBF lefties - and work hard to cancel history like good little NAZI's.

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ya, I originally went down this rabbit hole looking for some asymmetric opportunities.  We're at the point (barring extreme but unlikely outcomes) that arguing about it isn't really a productive use of time. 

 

Dalal, these days most of the books I read are either about history or behavioral economics, so I'm very familiar with the concepts you are referring to.  Something important to remember is that just because you are aware of psychological flaws is not sufficient to avoid falling prey.  It's not like you can just say, 'there's an alligator; I'll just walk around it.'

 

I appreciate the civil discussion.

JRM, I too am an avid reader of behavioral finance and behavioral economics. I appreciate your efforts to improve your thinking on these subjects and also your effort to think critically and debate respectfully in this forum.

 

I have one suggestion. Have you considered that you might be making your job much harder for yourself because of the type of information and entertainment you consume? Remember just because the topic is politics does not mean that they are even pretending to be factual or news. Many media sources have both opinion or entertainment and serious news co-existing side by side and many sources seem to want to make it difficult to distinguish the two.

 

Social media and biased "news" and information(entertainment) sources are designed to promote engagement. Anger drives engagement like nothing else, and anger makes it more difficult for us to be rational than anything else. So that source of information that someone really enjoys because it's fun to dislike the other side might be making it very difficult for them to be rational.

 

Fear is very motivational for turning out the vote so think about loss aversion and how a fear of a loss is much more likely to get you to the polls to vote. So do you think a losing candidate that might face jail time as soon as they are no longer President might be tempted to scare the hell out of their supporters and tell them that the world is ending? Loss aversion would certainly tell us that is a better strategy than promising their supporters lots of chocolate cake.

 

I would bet that if you look for the people who sound the most irrational and nonsensical (regardless of political perspective) you will notice that they also sound the most angry. And the ones that sound positively crazy are probably the ones who are simultaneously trying to convince people that the sky is going to fall tomorrow.

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To get back to the original topic "Question for Trump Supporters Who Support the Overthrow of the US".

 

Does anyone here have an idea of what sort of government they would like to replace the present system with?

 

Do you feel a dictatorship would be better?

 

British parliamentary system? (Has the advantage of several parties)

 

Start over with present system, but with several parties?

 

What other countries have a better system?

 

Or do some simply want to dispense with government all together?

 

If people are not satisfied with the present system and are demonstrating in the streets, surely they have another system in mind or at least have a list of changes to be made.

 

Since there are a lot of bright people here on both sides, those opposed to the status quo must have changes they would like to see in mind.

 

PS. Here in Canada we are looking at changing our "first past the post" voting system.

 

 

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ya, I originally went down this rabbit hole looking for some asymmetric opportunities.  We're at the point (barring extreme but unlikely outcomes) that arguing about it isn't really a productive use of time. 

 

Dalal, these days most of the books I read are either about history or behavioral economics, so I'm very familiar with the concepts you are referring to.  Something important to remember is that just because you are aware of psychological flaws is not sufficient to avoid falling prey.  It's not like you can just say, 'there's an alligator; I'll just walk around it.'

 

I appreciate the civil discussion.

JRM, I too am an avid reader of behavioral finance and behavioral economics. I appreciate your efforts to improve your thinking on these subjects and also your effort to think critically and debate respectfully in this forum.

 

I have one suggestion. Have you considered that you might be making your job much harder for yourself because of the type of information and entertainment you consume? Remember just because the topic is politics does not mean that they are even pretending to be factual or news. Many media sources have both opinion or entertainment and serious news co-existing side by side and many sources seem to want to make it difficult to distinguish the two.

 

Social media and biased "news" and information(entertainment) sources are designed to promote engagement. Anger drives engagement like nothing else, and anger makes it more difficult for us to be rational than anything else. So that source of information that someone really enjoys because it's fun to dislike the other side might be making it very difficult for them to be rational.

 

Fear is very motivational for turning out the vote so think about loss aversion and how a fear of a loss is much more likely to get you to the polls to vote. So do you think a losing candidate that might face jail time as soon as they are no longer President might be tempted to scare the hell out of their supporters and tell them that the world is ending? Loss aversion would certainly tell us that is a better strategy than promising their supporters lots of chocolate cake.

 

I would bet that if you look for the people who sound the most irrational and nonsensical (regardless of political perspective) you will notice that they also sound the most angry. And the ones that sound positively crazy are probably the ones who are simultaneously trying to convince people that the sky is going to fall tomorrow.

 

I normally mostly ignore politics.  I will probably will return to that policy.  I got sucked into this election because I think some of the shenanigans that probably happen every election were pointed out and made more public than ever before. 

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I'm happy to have a civil discussion, but after some point, you recognize it becomes impossible to "prove" certain things like:

 

"Prove we actually landed on the moon"

 

There is footage and lots of evidence of it, but the folks who doubt it will always demand more evidence and move the goalposts further back. In the end, they will believe what they want to believe.

 

"Ships will sail around the world, but the Flat Earth Society will continue to flourish." --Buffett

 

Yeah. I've deleted half my responses in this forum with the thought of "what's the point?" And seriously, what's the point of arguing with people who's source material is QAnon-adjacent.

 

Like FFS, the dominion voting machines have a paper trail. They hand counted the votes. The hand count confirmed the machine count. The process was run by Republicans. Barr says there's no evidence of widespread fraud. Chris Krebs (Trump appointee) says it's the most secure election in US history. Your answer to this can't just be "deep state" every time.

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What's truly frightening is the Democrats effort to totally re-write history and bury their own crimes.

 

Looks like they will be successful with their Gestapo tactics and efforts to "cancel", doxx, and persecute any opposition that does not agree with them.

"Fear" is the operative word for Democrats.  Now that they have the upper hand, they will use their power to erase history and facts.

Anything they don't like will be "crimes of sedition". Any populist movement will be treasonist. The Democrats know exactly what they are doing.

 

Better be careful JRM - the CoBF totalitarians are going to be after you too.

 

Don't concern yourself with the fact that their was widespread cheating during the election. That the Obama Administration spied on their

political opponents - and used their surveillance and taxing powers to punish their political opponents. That they paid for Russian disinformation

to frame the incoming President as a Russian traitor - when they, in fact, were the traitors. That they boycotted the Presidential inauguration and

began their impeachment efforts BEFORE Trump took office. That they conducted a sham impeachment hearing when in fact, it was THEIR

Presidential Candidate, Biden, who indeed was guilty of bribing a foreign power to keep his crack-head son out of trouble. That their party, took

funding from the criminals and anarchists of BLM & Antifa - and THEN bailed them out - after burning down the country.

 

It becomes easy to see the rewriting of history and cancelling of political opposition - like good Bolsheviks - is in 100% turbo mode as we

enter the Biden Administration.

 

Be proud of your cheaters CoBF lefties - and work hard to cancel history like good little NAZI's.

 

I hope the Cubs lose.

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