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^ Well the real problem with regulation with be this:  Big Tech does the party in power a HUGE favor by censorship. In return, that party in power

will do ALL they can to give them a slap on the wrist. We've seen this movie before.

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Perhaps its just me, but the events following the 1/6 event that will not be spoken of in order to avoid getting political....was this not a potential tipping point against the already moving freight train that is big tech and its eventual day of reckoning with regulators over anti trust concerns? Particularly, the seemingly coordinated effort by Apple, Google and Amazon to end Parlor, for virtually no reason? After Twtr, IMO wrongly, but at the same time, borderline justifiably, banned Trump? You dont even have to have an opinion on the merits of Twitter/Trump or separately Parler...all you need to do is see how many businesses have no options and simply have to play ball with 2-3 gatekeepers. I could go on a bit more but the ramifications for this event IMO could be huge and I wouldn't be shocked to start seeing a tech selloff as people begin realizing the potential implications of this.

 

Twitter I think effectively just blew itself up. I'd expect horrific MAU comps for probably the next 12 months. FB has already had user issues masked by IG, I'd imagine it fares a bit better..its also been beaten up recently so some may be priced in. I really dont know much about Parler but is it any worse than Reddit or other places where ideas and people exchange? Apple and AMZN though in my opinion have largely been given passes and especially Apple, now between Epic, and then this...has really highlighted for even the less engaged how much control this handful of companies has over what are essentially utility like resources.

 

Are there differing interpretations? I think with something like GOOG, a breakup creates some short term headwinds but long term value emerges. I am not sure this is the case for all of them through. That and once again MSFT breezes through all this without even a question.

 

In the COVID thread, I mentioned that my baseline expectation is a replay of the 2000 dot com bubble top in 2021. It was unclear back then when the peak would happen. Now I think it is getting closer.

 

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FB and Twitter, sure.

I think at the end, from their point of view, FB and Twitter felt that they had no choice and that the value of doing the ban suddenly outweighed not doing it.

 

I maybe getting the history a bit off, but going back the 90s, Fox News emerged as a strong player in the market because it gave a voice to a more conservative base. It was a masterstroke by the Murdoch family since most of the media at the time were left-leaning.

 

What stops a company, today, to harvest the current anger over the FB and Twitter bans and create their own social media platform. Sure the network effect are hard to replicate, but now you got a tailwind. I am sure they already plenty of social media tailored for different segment of political spectrum, but this must be a huge tailwind, with anyone/company with large enough resources.

 

 

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There is a Trump tweet for everything.

 

To me this escalation with dehosting and pulling licensees for software tools in particular goes too far. If Parler etc are indeed platforms that foster criminal activities, then there should be a judgment that states so.

 

Then on the other hand, the conservatives who think it is OK to not sell a wedding cake to a Gay couple if the owner doesn’t like gays should be OK with all this.

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Then on the other hand, the conservatives who think it is OK to not sell a wedding cake to a Gay couple if the owner doesn’t like gays should be OK with all this.

 

So, so wrong - this is a textbook case of monopoly power and corporate market rigging. Anti-Trust lawyers could have a field day here.

 

The Gay couple can easily walk across the street and buy another cake, all the while boycotting the conservative bakery.

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There is such a company.  They were even referencing it in this thread.  Parler is similar to a twitter clone and Trump shifted to it recently.  Various big tech companies are de-hosting it.

 

Very simple thing to block an IP address, sourced anywhere in the world. Simple thing too to systemically block if from network hosts with scale, and 'disappear' the leadership. No connectivity, no network effect, no squeaky wheel getting the grease. You can disagree all you like, but if nobody can hear you .....

 

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There is a Trump tweet for everything.

 

To me this escalation with dehosting and pulling licensees for software tools in particular goes too far. If Parler etc are indeed platforms that foster criminal activities, then there should be a judgment that states so.

 

Then on the other hand, the conservatives who think it is OK to not sell a wedding cake to a Gay couple if the owner doesn’t like gays should be OK with all this.

 

Why? The conservative view is that conservatives should have the freedom to dissent from the rest of society on various issues. Both the wedding cake and the banning issues are the same in that respect. The liberal position appears to be that we are going to find you no matter where you hide and force you to do whatever we want or crush you because we have the power.

 

The examples would be comparable if there was one single company for wedding cakes across the whole US and it had a monopoly. And then a gay man attempted to buy a wedding cake and he was prevented from doing so...he then attempted to go to a competitor and the competitor's payment services and supplies were cut off as soon as this was found out. Then you would be right but the wedding cakes example and Google are not remotely comparable because the vast differences in power between wedding cake makers and Google.

 

That said I think there should be no anti-trust against Google. You don't like it...create your own service. You can't get payment processors to fund you ... create your own. I'm quit ok and think its completely healthy for conservatives to respond to this by creating their own infrastructure or suffering miserably until that happens.

 

Tonnes of comp nerds HATED windows and felt oppressed by it. Open source, Google and the rest are the result of that hatred. Fox was the first conservative attempt to bypass MSM. Now conservatives will have to bypass nearly everything. The best and most beautiful example of this....is the founding of America itself.

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Why? The conservative view is that conservatives should have the freedom to dissent from the rest of society on various issues. Both the wedding cake and the banning issues are the same in that respect. The liberal position appears to be that we are going to find you no matter where you hide and force you to do whatever we want or crush you because we have the power.

 

Supports the rights of bakery owners to deny service to a customer

Does not support the rights of social media owners to deny service to a customer

 

Do you not see the contradiction?

 

The liberal argument is you cannot deny service based on protected classes.

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Why? The conservative view is that conservatives should have the freedom to dissent from the rest of society on various issues. Both the wedding cake and the banning issues are the same in that respect. The liberal position appears to be that we are going to find you no matter where you hide and force you to do whatever we want or crush you because we have the power.

 

Supports the rights of bakery owners to deny service to a customer

Does not support the rights of social media owners to deny service to a customer

 

Do you not see the contradiction?

 

The liberal argument is you cannot deny service based on protected classes.

 

The issue is simply can you or cant you? Todays examples are that you cant discriminate in a bakery but you can on a social media platform. Consistency please....

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In the instance of Twitter banning Trump, which protected class was the basis of Trump's ban?

 

Twitter claims it was due to violating its policies on glorification/incitement of violence:

https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspension.html

 

Do you have evidence to the contrary?

 

In the case of AWS et al banning Parler, my understanding is corporations etc. are not subject to protected classes and therefore it is irrelevant.

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In the instance of Twitter banning Trump, which protected class was the basis of Trump's ban?

 

Twitter claims it was due to violating its policies on glorification/incitement of violence:

https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspension.html

 

Do you have evidence to the contrary?

 

In the case of AWS et al banning Parler, my understanding is corporations etc. are not subject to protected classes and therefore it is irrelevant.

This is part of the legal issue at hand, but legal liability for lies and incitement of violence is the real issue. Trust me these companies want to make money, but in this case they have made the decision that the loss in income is more than offset by the reduction in legal risk and to a much lesser extent reputational risk.

 

A better analogy than a gay wedding cake is to ask if you think a business should have the right to refuse a request to bake 100 million gay wedding cakes that also have calls on them to "kill all Republican homophobes," and to "overthrow the US Government" with dates and instructions on the insurrection, and then request that the baking company put their name on each cake with a note like "made possible by Legal Suicide Baking Co, Inc."

 

Censorship is a good talking point for some politicians and it has clearly convinced some people that censorship of conservatives is what is going on here, but the truth is that these private businesses realize that at some point lies and hate in large enough quantities are bad for business.

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In the instance of Twitter banning Trump, which protected class was the basis of Trump's ban?

 

Twitter claims it was due to violating its policies on glorification/incitement of violence:

https://blog.twitter.com/en_us/topics/company/2020/suspension.html

 

Do you have evidence to the contrary?

 

In the case of AWS et al banning Parler, my understanding is corporations etc. are not subject to protected classes and therefore it is irrelevant.

The liberal argument is you cannot deny service based on protected classes.

 

Legal justifications are largely irrelevant because they are just basically tools that liberals use to achieve ends and will throw away as it suits them. 40 years ago liberals were for freedom of speech and now not so much. Protected classes is just basically a battering ram to bully people.

 

The question that aught to be asked is how are liberals using their power and not the rationalizations. And the answer to that is to be as intolerant of any conservative view as they can be. They control corporations, control media, control universities and will harass anybody who steps out of line with the views in whatever place they find you and for whatever reason they can find.

 

I don't see anything anything which indicates I'm wrong about that. I mean its gotten to the point where even liberals agree with me on this e.g. Dave Chappelle, Bill Maher etc.

 

If I felt that homosexuals were horribly suffering because no one would bake them wedding cakes in the way black people suffered in the south because restaurants, hotels refused them service I might agree with liberals. But the truth is the wedding cake was not about about that..it was about bullying a small minority of conservative christians by very powerful lgbt groups that can't stand heretics and blasphemers to their religion.

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Legal justifications are largely irrelevant because they are just basically tools that liberals use to achieve ends and will throw away as it suits them. 40 years ago liberals were for freedom of speech and now not so much. Protected classes is just basically a battering ram to bully people.

 

 

Bingo!  This is exactly the point.

 

The United States is one of the very few countries that has been able to allow Free Speech, with a minimum of censorship.

 

Who gets to define hate speech?    And who then, uses it as a club against their opponents?  That's the paradox of censorship.

 

It's worked very well in this country for many, many years.  Liberals believe government can do everything perfectly, just like the idiot Universities think.

And of course they are dead wrong - and end up fucking it all up.

 

In the process, they end up trampling the individual rights of citizens - and abusing their power ALL the time.

 

The lessons of history are so clear in this regard.

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Yup....they censor people because of profits is bullshit. They censor people because they fear government retaliation...any coincidence all this started AFTER the election made it clear BLUE was the party to pander to now?

 

Liberals have effectively sought to ruin anyone who offers a differing opinion. Look at how many folks they came after for simply being republicans or tried "outing" for being a Trump supporter....theyre scum.

 

And then they have the nerve to talk about Nazi tactics!

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