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Cardboard, if people do illegal things they should be prosecuted. Not that complicated. We will find out over time if Hunter is guilty of anything.

 

It will be interesting who Trump pardons before he leaves office... do you think he will pardon his kids? If Trump does that then Biden will have his get out of jail card as well (regardless of what happens moving forward).

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If Hunter Biden did anything illegal...my money is that he did...then he should be prosecuted.  And Joe Biden should stay the hell out of the way...including pardons.

 

But Cardboard, I'm not sure you read the whole article:

 

The disclosure of the investigation of Hunter Biden comes as Trump’s company, the Trump Organization, is under criminal investigation by the Manhattan district attorney’s office for how it accounted for hush money payments to women who said they had sex with Trump. The president has denied having sex with either woman, porn star Stormy Daniels and Playboy model Karen McDougal.

 

The DA’s office also might be investigating possible tax crimes, as well as bank and insurance fraud, court filings suggest.

 

Trump is currently fighting efforts by DA Cyrus Vance Jr. to obtain eight years worth of the president’s tax returns and other financial records from his longtime accountants.

 

At the same time, the New York attorney general’s office is conducting a civil investigation into possible misstatement of the value of real estate owned by the Trump Organization. The president’s son Eric Trump recently was questioned by investigators from the AG’s office as part of that probe.

 

Trump’s daughter Ivanka Trump, who is a senior White House advisor, was deposed last week for a lawsuit filed by the Washington, D.C, attorney general’s office. That AG accuses the Trump Organization, the Trump Inaugural Committee and the Trump International Hotel in that city of “blatantly and unlawfully abusing nonprofit funds to enrich the Trump family” in connection with spending on Trump’s 2017 inauguration.

 

Ivanka Trump and her other adult brother Donald Trump Jr. narrowly avoided being criminally charged by Vance’s office in 2012 in connection with the marketing of the Trump SoHo hotel in New York, according to an investigation by The New Yorker, ProPublica and WNYC. Vance’s office had eyed whether prospective buyers were misled about the project’s success.

 

The outlets reported that Marc Kasowitz, a lawyer for Ivanka and Donald Jr., had donated $25,000 to Vance’s reelection campaign and directly appealed to him that the case should be dropped.

 

If Trump's kids did anything illegal, you better hope that Trump stays the hell out of the way as well...including no pardons!  Cheers!

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Why wouldn't he pardon his kids? Why take a chance when you have these loser politicians all looking to advance their careers at his expense? Look at Swalwell! What a total spineless mouth breather! One of the loudest voices on Trump/Russia now turns out to have been banging a Chinese spy and when he gets caught he just gets hostile and says its Trumps fault! You've got all these "investigations" into Trump and his businesses that weren't there prior to his foray into politics...you guys are delusional if you dont think its improperly motivated. So knowing this, what right minded parent wouldn't cut this shit off at the knee caps to protect his family?

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Why wouldn't he pardon his kids? Why take a chance when you have these loser politicians all looking to advance their careers at his expense? Look at Swalwell! What a total spineless mouth breather! One of the loudest voices on Trump/Russia now turns out to have been banging a Chinese spy and when he gets caught he just gets hostile and says its Trumps fault! You've got all these "investigations" into Trump and his businesses that weren't there prior to his foray into politics...you guys are delusional if you dont think its improperly motivated. So knowing this, what right minded parent wouldn't cut this shit off at the knee caps to protect his family?

 

The most vocal are always the biggest hypocrites.

 

Look at Ilhan Omar...Her husbands political marketing firm got 600k in Covid relief and she paid him over 2m in fees this past year. If that isn't a shady dealing I don't know what is.

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Only criminals need pardons. Why does an innocent person need a pardon? Anyways Federal pardons issued by the president apply only to federal law; they do not apply to civil, state, or local offenses. Pardons for state crimes are handled by governors or a state pardon board. So all the state cases will continue.

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The New York Times received some of the Trump tax documents and they suggested that Ivanka was taking consulting fees for a project when she was already working on that very same project as a Trump Corporation employee.  The dollar amounts matched exactly to the ones reported by Ivanka in her White House financial disclosures..

 

Pardon or no pardon, the state investigation into potential financial crimes is not improper and should go on.  Either their names will be cleared, or they won't be. 

 

 

 

 

 

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LOL totally constitutional too!

 

Is it though?

 

The NPR program also pointed out that the Constitution's text says "shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons", and in other contexts, that word 'grant' means from one party to another, not from self-to-self.

 

Perhaps a textualist such as Justice Barrett was a fine pick as Biden said she was.

 

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On the subject of pardon, it may be illustrative to read the original defense from Hamilton:

 

Federalist pp. 74:

 

Humanity and good policy conspire to dictate, that the benign prerogative of pardoning should be as little as possible fettered or embarrassed. The criminal code of every country partakes so much of necessary severity, that without an easy access to exceptions in favor of unfortunate guilt, justice would wear a countenance too sanguinary and cruel. As the sense of responsibility is always strongest, in proportion as it is undivided, it may be inferred that a single man would be most ready to attend to the force of those motives which might plead for a mitigation of the rigor of the law, and least apt to yield to considerations which were calculated to shelter a fit object of its vengeance. The reflection that the fate of a fellow-creature depended on his sole fiat, would naturally inspire scrupulousness and caution; the dread of being accused of weakness or connivance, would beget equal circumspection, though of a different kind. On the other hand, as men generally derive confidence from their numbers, they might often encourage each other in an act of obduracy, and might be less sensible to the apprehension of suspicion or censure for an injudicious or affected clemency. On these accounts, one man appears to be a more eligible dispenser of the mercy of government, than a body of men.

 

https://guides.loc.gov/federalist-papers/text-71-80#s-lg-box-wrapper-25493466

 

You can see here how the world of Hamilton and his contemporaries differs from today. Embedded in his defense of the pardon is the assumption of an individual and respectable ethical standard, or in his words, "scrupulousness and caution". I am not sure if this assumption still holds true...

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Trump also prefers to disregard the advice of the Office of the Pardon Attorney in the Department of Justice, said American University professor Jeffrey Crouch, who has written extensively on the presidential pardon power. That office is responsible for vetting the thousands of clemency requests the government gets every year.

 

For over a century, presidents have relied on the recommendations of that office. Not so for Trump, who prefers to make his own decisions. A Washington Post investigation found that most of Trump's grants of clemency "have gone to well-connected offenders who had not filed petitions with the pardon office or did not meet its requirements."

 

"He has largely ignored the little guy, or anonymous offenders who apply for presidential mercy through the usual channels," Crouch told NPR. "Under President Trump, the old back door to clemency — getting the president's attention somehow — seems to have become the new front door."

 

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/12/890075577/roger-stone-clemency-latest-example-of-trump-rewarding-his-friends-scholars-say

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The president's clemency power is supposed to exist solely to protect the national interest, said professor Mark Rozell, dean of the Schar School of Policy and Government at George Mason University. Rozell cited Alexander Hamilton's pronouncement in the Federalist Papers that it's better to give this power to the president — "a single man of prudence and good sense" — than to a legislative body like Congress.

 

The Founding Fathers never anticipated that a president would use his power as Trump has, Rozell said. "There is nothing in Trump's pardons of political allies and cronies that meets the national interest standard," Rozell told NPR. "It is a mockery of the constitutional power vested in him."

 

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/12/890075577/roger-stone-clemency-latest-example-of-trump-rewarding-his-friends-scholars-say

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