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First a definition what is totalitarian:

I think Mussolini said it best:

Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state

 

A totalitarian vision is all-encompassing and universal. Nothing is neutral or outside of it. Everything must support it. The fascists were particularly concerned with the State as a representative of the people but the concept is more general. Any ideology can be totalitarian. For instance, the Nazis had the concept of Nazi art, Nazi science, Nazi music etc...same with the communists.

 

My question is what is outside the modern day Left. Right now even Mathematics must be subborned to the left wing viewpoint:

 

If you take something like anti-racism...currently it functions as a totalitarian ideology. Everything is inside of it and nothing is outside of it or neutral. At this point it has taken over all major institutions in society and no one can oppose it without the risk of losing their jobs. How is this different than the Nazi or communist state? Can anyone point to anything that is outside of anti-racism? I would argue the Trans ideology and feminism function similarly. Their reach is universal...with nothing exempted.

 

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First a definition what is totalitarian:

I think Mussolini said it best:

Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state

 

A totalitarian vision is all-encompassing and universal. Nothing is neutral or outside of it. Everything must support it. The fascists were particularly concerned with the State as a representative of the people but the concept is more general. Any ideology can be totalitarian. For instance, the Nazis had the concept of Nazi art, Nazi science, Nazi music etc...same with the communists.

 

My question is what is outside the modern day Left. Right now even Mathematics must be subborned to the left wing viewpoint:

 

If you take something like anti-racism...currently it functions as a totalitarian ideology. Everything is inside of it and nothing is outside of it or neutral. At this point it has taken over all major institutions in society and no one can oppose it without the risk of losing their jobs. How is this different than the Nazi or communist state? Can anyone point to anything that is outside of anti-racism? I would argue the Trans ideology and feminism function similarly. Their reach is universal...with nothing exempted.

 

 

Italian Fascism is a better comparison for what we have today and what the left supports (German Facisism/Nazi-ism is too mixed up with racism/ethic cleansing/etc).  Of course the left's rhetoric is Marxist/socialist (i.e. government run/government owned healthcare), but in practice their policies are fascist (i.e. government controlled health care).

 

As far as anti-racism/social justice goes:  https://fakenous.net/?p=1948&fbclid=IwAR2W30sTM5tsqKTlP2lHWfdif5O9iX7-o8lo4CLBiFX3_756p74JLkL0xPU

 

 

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Im not into the labels but its clear that one party revolves itself around telling(dictating) people what they can and cant do. Who they can hire. What they must pay. Where they must go to school. What they have to believe.

 

Its not really all that American, but what is surprising is just how stupid and emotional a lot of folks got over the past 4 years...to the point where they said "get rid of Trump at all costs"...and the costs could be huge. I posted elsewhere a nice summary of this...the bulk of those complaining about Trump "educated, come from wealth/have wealth, live in nice neighborhoods, and are better off now than they were 4 years ago"...but like little pissant children, they get off on virtue signaling and being "philanthropic" at the expense of others...

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Most people in fascist italy were better off compared to tribal italy, but that doesn't mean fascism should not be improved upon.

 

Also if i recall, your posted summary was one guy's anecdotes about his teacher friends in Boston who were the kids of rich parents who were doing "better" under Trump (or their parents were). Hardly convincing considering national unemployment spiked to 15% a few months ago and sits around 7% IIRC.

 

No use even getting into the wealth inequality thing for which Trump has made negative progress.

 

On the whole "dictating" thing, well, we can agree to disagree. Last I checked "the left" did not want to outlaw private healthcare or private schooling, just strengthen public versions of each. Nor do they want to get rid of free speech.

 

But hey, if the history of this subforum is any indication, our perspectives on these matters will not change so there is no use arguing.

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As we speak...."BACK INTO YOUR BASEMENTS CALIFORNIA!" shouts the dictatorial twat governor who doesnt even follow his own rules....

 

Firstly almost no homes in California have a basement. Basement dwelling is something that seems to happen in other parts of the US. Secondly if it were true (which its not cause we know you guys cry wolf about everything) its still better than "LETS GET HERD IMMUNITY OR DIE TRYING" mostly just the die trying part that Republican Governors seem to prefer. 

 

 

Nurse from South Dakota where Kristi Noem is Governor

 

South Dakota ER nurse recalls how dying coronavirus patients spend last minutes insisting virus isn't real. https://news.yahoo.com/south-dakota-er-nurse-recalls-151800579.html

 

 

I have a night off from the hospital. As I’m on my couch with my dog I can’t help but think of the Covid patients the last few days. The ones that stick out are those who still don’t believe the virus is real. The ones who scream at you for a magic medicine and that Joe Biden is

 

Going to ruin the USA. All while gasping for breath on 100% Vapotherm.  They tell you there must be another reason they are sick. They call you names and ask why you have to wear all that “stuff” because they don’t have COViD because it’s not real. Yes. This really happens. And

 

I can’t stop thinking about it. These people really think this isn’t going to happen to them.  And then they stop yelling at you when they get intubated. It’s like a fucking horror movie that never ends. There’s no credits that roll. You just go back and do it all over again.

 

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Absolutely.

 

Controlling media, courts, education, so-called science (only the ones that agree with them), banning religion is how they are imposing their will or the exact same playbook as any totalitarian regime such as Nazy Germany.

 

Cardboard

 

Who is controlling what? 

 

Media...liberals...probably. 

 

Courts...last I checked Trump had stuffed the Supreme Court with his picks. 

 

Education...United States still has the best universities/colleges in the world, as well as research. 

 

Science is science...you can argue that gravity does not exist, but it is proven that it does...unlike God! 

 

Which brings me to religion...over 73M voted for Trump...78M voted for Biden...are you really going to argue that Trump is the minority and there is no religious freedom in the U.S.? 

 

Finally money...who controls most of the wealth in the United States...liberals?!  Stick your crap about fascism where the sun don't shine.  Cheers!

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I agree with cardboard on this. Certainly elementary has been bastardized as they no longer can fail kids out and there is no discipline. My one kid was actually complaining about that today.  The focus is on the trouble kids and the others get nothing.  We actually had a teacher tell us to teach our kid at home because the class had too many problem kids.

 

I'm a bit off topic from original post but I think this shows how left group think infiltrates our school system.

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I agree with cardboard on this. Certainly elementary has been bastardized as they no longer can fail kids out and there is no discipline. My one kid was actually complaining about that today.  The focus is on the trouble kids and the others get nothing.  We actually had a teacher tell us to teach our kid at home because the class had too many problem kids.

 

I'm a bit off topic from original post but I think this shows how left group think infiltrates our school system.

 

I don't know if this is a regional thing or what, but my nephew who is five, goes to an elementary school in the fastest growing region in North America...completely multicultural...and all of the issues good and bad he faces today, are no different than 30 years ago...other than the pandemic. 

 

My nieces both in Canada and the U.S. have all gone through the public school system in various states and provinces...same problems as 30 years ago.

The older ones all are going to college or have graduated college...the younger ones are progressing at the same pace as the older ones.  And all of their schools face challenges of lack of funding, crowded classes, overuse of portables, socio-economic issues, bullying, etc.

 

So this so-called bastardization of schools...either it isn't happening, or it's regional.  Cheers!

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It is different.  30 years ago kids weren't allowed to just roam the class and distract other children.  After school, recess, sure that is probably the same.  In the classroom no it isn't.  In the past kids could be held back, now they can't.  Kids could be disciplined, that doesn't seem to happen now.  We can agree or disagree on whether it's the right direction but the school system has definitely changed.

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It is different.  30 years ago kids weren't allowed to just roam the class and distract other children.  After school, recess, sure that is probably the same.  In the classroom no it isn't.  In the past kids could be held back, now they can't.  Kids could be disciplined, that doesn't seem to happen now.  We can agree or disagree on whether it's the right direction but the school system has definitely changed.

 

Again, I don't know if this is regional, but this is not my experience or what I've seen here in Vancouver, the surrounding region, or other regions where I have family.  Here kids can be held back...they are exposed to detention period/corrective actions...they talk and goof around in class just like me and my class did 40 years ago.  Cheers!

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It is different.  30 years ago kids weren't allowed to just roam the class and distract other children.  After school, recess, sure that is probably the same.  In the classroom no it isn't.  In the past kids could be held back, now they can't.  Kids could be disciplined, that doesn't seem to happen now.  We can agree or disagree on whether it's the right direction but the school system has definitely changed.

 

Again, I don't know if this is regional, but this is not my experience or what I've seen here in Vancouver, the surrounding region, or other regions where I have family.  Here kids can be held back...they are exposed to detention period/corrective actions...they talk and goof around in class just like me and my class did 40 years ago.  Cheers!

 

I agree.  There are problems with the schools, but it isn't what most conservatives think they are.  If anything the schools have become even more prison like than they were before.  With police and locked doors.  When I was in high school the students had a smoking area where we used to smoke a variety of things, I used to leave school at lunch time and often never come back.  The doors weren't locked and there were no cops in the halls.

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It is different.  30 years ago kids weren't allowed to just roam the class and distract other children.  After school, recess, sure that is probably the same.  In the classroom no it isn't.  In the past kids could be held back, now they can't.  Kids could be disciplined, that doesn't seem to happen now.  We can agree or disagree on whether it's the right direction but the school system has definitely changed.

 

Again, I don't know if this is regional, but this is not my experience or what I've seen here in Vancouver, the surrounding region, or other regions where I have family.  Here kids can be held back...they are exposed to detention period/corrective actions...they talk and goof around in class just like me and my class did 40 years ago.  Cheers!

 

I agree.  There are problems with the schools, but it isn't what most conservatives think they are.  If anything the schools have become even more prison like than they were before.  With police and locked doors.  When I was in high school the students had a smoking area where we used to smoke a variety of things, I used to leave school at lunch time and often never come back.  The doors weren't locked and there were no cops in the halls.

 

That is one thing that has changed even here in Canada...the preparation of classes for mass shooters...and that's a result of greater accessibility to guns that can do more damage than 40 years ago when I went to school.

 

The worst thing we had to worry about was a knife or pedophiles following us home.  Today, dangerous drugs and guns are also something my nephew and nieces have to contend with. 

 

And I agree with the conservatives here...gun restrictions and registries don't do any good if they are not effective...and they are not enforced.  Cheers!

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