President Biden

[Viking]

Well the fat lady is singing loudly. AP and other media outlets are calling Biden the winner. With Arizona and Georgia likely to also go Democrat that will put Biden well over 300 electoral votes. To win Trump would need to get results overturned in multiple states which is not likely. Well i guess we can all get back to normal now :-)

 

This election was Trump’s to win. But he blew it and now becomes a one term president.

 

Simply amazing what Biden accomplished given where he was tracking at the beginning of the Democratic primaries.

 

President Biden. Sleepy Joe, didn’t know you had it in you :-)

[Gregmal]

This election was Trump’s to win. But he blew it and now becomes a one term president.

 

Somehow this is a shockingly different tune than what had been sung by everyone for the past 4 years, including the months leading into the election where Biden was apparently a 6-10% favorite in FL, MI, AZ, WI, OH, PA, etc...little bit of revisionist history never hurt anyone though.

 

[Xaston]

This election was Trump’s to win. But he blew it and now becomes a one term president.

 

Somehow this is a shockingly different tune than what had been sung by everyone for the past 4 years, including the months leading into the election where Biden was apparently a 6-10% favorite in FL, MI, AZ, WI, OH, PA, etc...little bit of revisionist history never hurt anyone though.

 

Depends on your time frame. 

 

To me it was Trump's to lose, in as much as incumbents very rarely lose, and populations love wartime presidents and he was handed Covid-19.  Then he handled that the way he handled that, and the polls dictated that he had "lost" the election that was his to lose.  Then it became Biden's to lose.

 

That's my two cents on whose election it was to lose, and when.

[Parsad]

Relief sweeps the world and America!  There are more people outside of the White House cheering "Na na na na, good bye!" then there were at Trump's inauguration!  :D  Cheers!

[Jurgis]

Go 306.

[Viking]

This election was Trump’s to win. But he blew it and now becomes a one term president.

 

Somehow this is a shockingly different tune than what had been sung by everyone for the past 4 years, including the months leading into the election where Biden was apparently a 6-10% favorite in FL, MI, AZ, WI, OH, PA, etc...little bit of revisionist history never hurt anyone though.

 

Lots of new information has become available in the past 5 days. Like an election was held and the results were tabulated. What we learned was Trump outperformed expectations and was within a whisker of winning a second term. That was impressive and should be recognized.

 

Given he was so close it is also normal to ask what could he have done to pick up a few thousand votes? I know, i know. He has had a perfect Presidency and he ran a perfect campaign. His failure to capture the Presidency has nothing to do with his words or actions. It is all a conspiracy. Someone else is to blame for his epic failure (first term Presidents do no lose unless they mess up big time).

 

What we also know is he lost. And for the Presidential election margin of victory means nothing (win by 1 vote or a landslide). Time for Trump to get his resume updated (and get his legal team staffed up).

[Gregmal]

You dont think he runs in 2024? I would almost certainly wager he does. He vastly outperformed his 2016 turnout, made significant progress across the board with minority groups, and largely delivered for Republicans what they wanted. If you cant see this you are missing the bigger picture. Ultimately, there is no one in the Republican universe who can match what Trump brings to the table in terms of voter enthusiasm and turnout. 2024 IMO will likely hinge on whether or not the economy recovers to a satisfactory degree. This of course means real progress for black, hispanics, and blue collar white folks. Time will tell if Biden can do this. These are groups that are absolutely sick of the establishment(blue collar white) or starting to turn on it(black and hispanic).

 

[Guest longinvestor]

https://www.businessinsider.com/gop-pennsylvania-trump-cast-vote-after-election-day-illegal-ballot-2020-11

 

Just who exactly was cheating?

[Gregmal]

https://www.businessinsider.com/gop-pennsylvania-trump-cast-vote-after-election-day-illegal-ballot-2020-11

 

Just who exactly was cheating?

 

 

I think one of the Michigan(maybe it was Wisconsin) pols said it best when announcing they'd investigate everything. Paraphrasing, "you have one guy who is doing everything he can to rile people up and throw fuel on the fire, and the other guy doesnt seem to care at all that there are some deeply suspicious things that are at least worth looking into"...

[Viking]

You dont think he runs in 2024? I would almost certainly wager he does. He vastly outperformed his 2016 turnout, made significant progress across the board with minority groups, and largely delivered for Republicans what they wanted. If you cant see this you are missing the bigger picture. Ultimately, there is no one in the Republican universe who can match what Trump brings to the table in terms of voter enthusiasm and turnout. 2024 IMO will likely hinge on whether or not the economy recovers to a satisfactory degree. This of course means real progress for black, hispanics, and blue collar white folks. Time will tell if Biden can do this. These are groups that are absolutely sick of the establishment(blue collar white) or starting to turn on it(black and hispanic).

 

2024 is a long ways away. No idea what happens next week let alone 4 years from now.

 

What Trump does in his next life will be very interesting to watch. The Republican party will be in a tough spot. I think Trump has built the nucleus of what the Republican party could become (party of the working class). The big risk with Trump is his mental make up - this loss could drive him to be even more extreme/do and say even more crazy things.

 

The most likely outcome in January is Trump will simply start campaigning for the next Presidential election. Stolen election. Big victim. Big go fund me campaign. His supporters will eat that with a knife and fork. So we get 4 years of Trump doing everything he can to stay relevant. Not that difficult with social media. Not good for the US as the polarization will get much worse. Trump’s brand of politics will not end with him losing the election. People who love him will celebrate. People who hate him will pull their hair out.

 

What the Republican party does with Trump in the next year will be key. Do they chose country or Trump?

[rb]

This election was Trump’s to win. But he blew it and now becomes a one term president.

 

Somehow this is a shockingly different tune than what had been sung by everyone for the past 4 years, including the months leading into the election where Biden was apparently a 6-10% favorite in FL, MI, AZ, WI, OH, PA, etc...little bit of revisionist history never hurt anyone though.

 

Lots of new information has become available in the past 5 days. Like an election was held and the results were tabulated. What we learned was Trump outperformed expectations and was within a whisker of winning a second term. That was impressive and should be recognized.

 

Given he was so close it is also normal to ask what could he have done to pick up a few thousand votes? I know, i know. He has had a perfect Presidency and he ran a perfect campaign. His failure to capture the Presidency has nothing to do with his words or actions. It is all a conspiracy. Someone else is to blame for his epic failure (first term Presidents do no lose unless they mess up big time).

 

What we also know is he lost. And for the Presidential election margin of victory means nothing (win by 1 vote or a landslide). Time for Trump to get his resume updated (and get his legal team staffed up).

The election was close in a number of states. That is true. But somehow I don't see how you come within a whisker of winning the election as a Republican when you loose Arizona and Georgia.

 

Consider how insane it is that Arizona - which only once voted D for President since 1948 (Billy 1996) - just voted a Democrat for President and will have 2 Democrat Senators.

[Spekulatius]

This election was Trump’s to win. But he blew it and now becomes a one term president.

 

Somehow this is a shockingly different tune than what had been sung by everyone for the past 4 years, including the months leading into the election where Biden was apparently a 6-10% favorite in FL, MI, AZ, WI, OH, PA, etc...little bit of revisionist history never hurt anyone though.

 

Lots of new information has become available in the past 5 days. Like an election was held and the results were tabulated. What we learned was Trump outperformed expectations and was within a whisker of winning a second term. That was impressive and should be recognized.

 

Given he was so close it is also normal to ask what could he have done to pick up a few thousand votes? I know, i know. He has had a perfect Presidency and he ran a perfect campaign. His failure to capture the Presidency has nothing to do with his words or actions. It is all a conspiracy. Someone else is to blame for his epic failure (first term Presidents do no lose unless they mess up big time).

 

What we also know is he lost. And for the Presidential election margin of victory means nothing (win by 1 vote or a landslide). Time for Trump to get his resume updated (and get his legal team staffed up).

The election was close in a number of states. That is true. But somehow I don't see how you come within a whisker of winning the election as a Republican when you loose Arizona and Georgia.

 

Consider how insane it is that Arizona - which only once voted D for President since 1948 (Billy 1996) - just voted a Democrat for President and will have 2 Democrat Senators.

 

Don’t forget that Jo Jorgensen, the libertarian who was touted here as a candidate got 1.5%. I don’t know if these voters would have voted Trump or Biden, but it is enough to possibly make a difference in this election.

[Castanza]

Hasn’t Arizona been flooded with individuals moving from Cal? This is also happening in Texas. Not hard to see these states go democrat in the near future.

[Castanza]

https://twitter.com/michaeljburry/status/1325854261289213952?s=21

[Gregmal]

https://twitter.com/michaeljburry/status/1325854261289213952?s=21

 

Classic. Then again some people believe strange things due to their derangement. Imagine waking up this morning thinking the market was up 5% because Biden won the presidency, even though everyone knew this last week?

[Spekulatius]

Interesting stat:

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/latest-updates-biden-trump-election-2020/card/32vHNFTTc2xxNr7NITHY

 

Biden Counties Account for 70% of U.S. GDP

By Aaron Zitner

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People wait in line to vote at Tarrant County Elections Center on Oct. 29 in Fort Worth, Texas.MONTINIQUE MONROE/GETTY IMAGES

America’s political divisions are also economic divisions – and they are widening. That’s one message that comes through in the visual story-telling from our graphics team, published today, which shows how Republicans and Democrats are increasingly divided by the education levels, racial diversity and the amount of urban or rural character to their communities.

 

Now, the Brookings Institution adds to the finding of a growing divide between metropolitan and non-metropolitan America.

 

Joe Biden last week won 16% of the nation’s counties, but those counties account for 70% of nation’s economic activity, Brookings analysts report. By contrast, President Trump won 84% of counties, accounting for less than 30% of GDP.

 

[rb]

Interesting stat:

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/latest-updates-biden-trump-election-2020/card/32vHNFTTc2xxNr7NITHY

 

Biden Counties Account for 70% of U.S. GDP

By Aaron Zitner

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People wait in line to vote at Tarrant County Elections Center on Oct. 29 in Fort Worth, Texas.MONTINIQUE MONROE/GETTY IMAGES

America’s political divisions are also economic divisions – and they are widening. That’s one message that comes through in the visual story-telling from our graphics team, published today, which shows how Republicans and Democrats are increasingly divided by the education levels, racial diversity and the amount of urban or rural character to their communities.

 

Now, the Brookings Institution adds to the finding of a growing divide between metropolitan and non-metropolitan America.

 

Joe Biden last week won 16% of the nation’s counties, but those counties account for 70% of nation’s economic activity, Brookings analysts report. By contrast, President Trump won 84% of counties, accounting for less than 30% of GDP.

Yea. I alluded to this in some other thread and Castanza made up some stuff, threw a fit and told me to get outta there.

 

It's not that interesting. It's pretty intuitive really. If you were to make an analysis of tax paid/collected the numbers would be even more stark.

[Castanza]

Interesting stat:

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/latest-updates-biden-trump-election-2020/card/32vHNFTTc2xxNr7NITHY

 

Biden Counties Account for 70% of U.S. GDP

By Aaron Zitner

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People wait in line to vote at Tarrant County Elections Center on Oct. 29 in Fort Worth, Texas.MONTINIQUE MONROE/GETTY IMAGES

America’s political divisions are also economic divisions – and they are widening. That’s one message that comes through in the visual story-telling from our graphics team, published today, which shows how Republicans and Democrats are increasingly divided by the education levels, racial diversity and the amount of urban or rural character to their communities.

 

Now, the Brookings Institution adds to the finding of a growing divide between metropolitan and non-metropolitan America.

 

Joe Biden last week won 16% of the nation’s counties, but those counties account for 70% of nation’s economic activity, Brookings analysts report. By contrast, President Trump won 84% of counties, accounting for less than 30% of GDP.

Yea. I alluded to this in some other thread and Castanza made up some stuff, threw a fit and told me to get outta there.

 

It's not that interesting. It's pretty intuitive really. If you were to make an analysis of tax paid/collected the numbers would be even more stark.

 

What did I make up? That is literally what I described...This report simply describes it in GDP instead of population...

[rb]

Interesting stat:

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/latest-updates-biden-trump-election-2020/card/32vHNFTTc2xxNr7NITHY

 

Biden Counties Account for 70% of U.S. GDP

By Aaron Zitner

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People wait in line to vote at Tarrant County Elections Center on Oct. 29 in Fort Worth, Texas.MONTINIQUE MONROE/GETTY IMAGES

America’s political divisions are also economic divisions – and they are widening. That’s one message that comes through in the visual story-telling from our graphics team, published today, which shows how Republicans and Democrats are increasingly divided by the education levels, racial diversity and the amount of urban or rural character to their communities.

 

Now, the Brookings Institution adds to the finding of a growing divide between metropolitan and non-metropolitan America.

 

Joe Biden last week won 16% of the nation’s counties, but those counties account for 70% of nation’s economic activity, Brookings analysts report. By contrast, President Trump won 84% of counties, accounting for less than 30% of GDP.

Yea. I alluded to this in some other thread and Castanza made up some stuff, threw a fit and told me to get outta there.

 

It's not that interesting. It's pretty intuitive really. If you were to make an analysis of tax paid/collected the numbers would be even more stark.

 

What did I make up? That is literally what I described...This report simply describes it in GDP instead of population...

It isn't. It's because Joe won urban areas. Urban areas have high GDP and high GDP per capita. Due to progressive taxation the tax rate on that GDP is higher in urban areas which results in an even higher proportion of tax paid.

 

Let me give you an example: New York City has about 8.4 million people. Kentucky and South Carolina have about 9.1 million people combined. New York City's GDP? Around 937 billion. KY and SC combined? Around 463 billion. If you don't like that example, we could do this all day long with others. Same shit.

 

This stuff is pretty simple math not rocket science.

[stahleyp]

Interesting stat:

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/latest-updates-biden-trump-election-2020/card/32vHNFTTc2xxNr7NITHY

 

Biden Counties Account for 70% of U.S. GDP

By Aaron Zitner

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People wait in line to vote at Tarrant County Elections Center on Oct. 29 in Fort Worth, Texas.MONTINIQUE MONROE/GETTY IMAGES

America’s political divisions are also economic divisions – and they are widening. That’s one message that comes through in the visual story-telling from our graphics team, published today, which shows how Republicans and Democrats are increasingly divided by the education levels, racial diversity and the amount of urban or rural character to their communities.

 

Now, the Brookings Institution adds to the finding of a growing divide between metropolitan and non-metropolitan America.

 

Joe Biden last week won 16% of the nation’s counties, but those counties account for 70% of nation’s economic activity, Brookings analysts report. By contrast, President Trump won 84% of counties, accounting for less than 30% of GDP.

Yea. I alluded to this in some other thread and Castanza made up some stuff, threw a fit and told me to get outta there.

 

It's not that interesting. It's pretty intuitive really. If you were to make an analysis of tax paid/collected the numbers would be even more stark.

 

What did I make up? That is literally what I described...This report simply describes it in GDP instead of population...

It isn't. It's because Joe won urban areas. Urban areas have high GDP and high GDP per capita. Due to progressive taxation the tax rate on that GDP is higher in urban areas which results in an even higher proportion of tax paid.

 

Let me give you an example: New York City has about 8.4 million people. Kentucky and South Carolina have about 9.1 million people combined. New York City's GDP? Around 937 billion. KY and SC combined? Around 463 billion. If you don't like that example, we could do this all day long with others. Same shit.

 

This stuff is pretty simple math not rocket science.

 

A huge reason that NYC has such high GDP is simply because of government handouts. If the government normalized interest rates and stopped running huge bailouts, NYC would look like it did in the 1970s again (or worse). The stock market and real estate would get absolutely destroyed. You could also say the same thing about certain parts of CA. Now, I think many parts of the country benefit more than others by government bailouts but NYC gets way more of a benefit.

[Castanza]

Interesting stat:

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/latest-updates-biden-trump-election-2020/card/32vHNFTTc2xxNr7NITHY

 

Biden Counties Account for 70% of U.S. GDP

By Aaron Zitner

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People wait in line to vote at Tarrant County Elections Center on Oct. 29 in Fort Worth, Texas.MONTINIQUE MONROE/GETTY IMAGES

America’s political divisions are also economic divisions – and they are widening. That’s one message that comes through in the visual story-telling from our graphics team, published today, which shows how Republicans and Democrats are increasingly divided by the education levels, racial diversity and the amount of urban or rural character to their communities.

 

Now, the Brookings Institution adds to the finding of a growing divide between metropolitan and non-metropolitan America.

 

Joe Biden last week won 16% of the nation’s counties, but those counties account for 70% of nation’s economic activity, Brookings analysts report. By contrast, President Trump won 84% of counties, accounting for less than 30% of GDP.

Yea. I alluded to this in some other thread and Castanza made up some stuff, threw a fit and told me to get outta there.

 

It's not that interesting. It's pretty intuitive really. If you were to make an analysis of tax paid/collected the numbers would be even more stark.

 

What did I make up? That is literally what I described...This report simply describes it in GDP instead of population...

It isn't. It's because Joe won urban areas. Urban areas have high GDP and high GDP per capita. Due to progressive taxation the tax rate on that GDP is higher in urban areas which results in an even higher proportion of tax paid.

 

Let me give you an example: New York City has about 8.4 million people. Kentucky and South Carolina have about 9.1 million people combined. New York City's GDP? Around 937 billion. KY and SC combined? Around 463 billion. If you don't like that example, we could do this all day long with others. Same shit.

 

This stuff is pretty simple math not rocket science.

 

Wait are you referring to what we discussed yesterday regarding popular vote? that's what I thought you were talking about.

 

I guess you were referring to the thread where you claimed to be the tax czar. You can shift tax revenue from income to consumption an likely have a similar effect on GDP growth. As I said, there is more than one way to skin a cat. You were making the claim that the only effective way to tax is through a strictly progressive tax system on an income basis.

[rb]

Interesting stat:

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/latest-updates-biden-trump-election-2020/card/32vHNFTTc2xxNr7NITHY

 

Biden Counties Account for 70% of U.S. GDP

By Aaron Zitner

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People wait in line to vote at Tarrant County Elections Center on Oct. 29 in Fort Worth, Texas.MONTINIQUE MONROE/GETTY IMAGES

America’s political divisions are also economic divisions – and they are widening. That’s one message that comes through in the visual story-telling from our graphics team, published today, which shows how Republicans and Democrats are increasingly divided by the education levels, racial diversity and the amount of urban or rural character to their communities.

 

Now, the Brookings Institution adds to the finding of a growing divide between metropolitan and non-metropolitan America.

 

Joe Biden last week won 16% of the nation’s counties, but those counties account for 70% of nation’s economic activity, Brookings analysts report. By contrast, President Trump won 84% of counties, accounting for less than 30% of GDP.

Yea. I alluded to this in some other thread and Castanza made up some stuff, threw a fit and told me to get outta there.

 

It's not that interesting. It's pretty intuitive really. If you were to make an analysis of tax paid/collected the numbers would be even more stark.

 

What did I make up? That is literally what I described...This report simply describes it in GDP instead of population...

It isn't. It's because Joe won urban areas. Urban areas have high GDP and high GDP per capita. Due to progressive taxation the tax rate on that GDP is higher in urban areas which results in an even higher proportion of tax paid.

 

Let me give you an example: New York City has about 8.4 million people. Kentucky and South Carolina have about 9.1 million people combined. New York City's GDP? Around 937 billion. KY and SC combined? Around 463 billion. If you don't like that example, we could do this all day long with others. Same shit.

 

This stuff is pretty simple math not rocket science.

 

A huge reason that NYC has such high GDP is simply because of government handouts. If the government normalized interest rates and stopped running huge bailouts, NYC would look like it did in the 1970s again (or worse). The stock market and real estate would get absolutely destroyed. You could also say the same thing about certain parts of CA. Now, I think many parts of the country benefit more than others by government bailouts but NYC gets way more of a benefit.

as i said, not just nyc i could do this all day with cities.

[stahleyp]

Interesting stat:

https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/latest-updates-biden-trump-election-2020/card/32vHNFTTc2xxNr7NITHY

 

Biden Counties Account for 70% of U.S. GDP

By Aaron Zitner

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People wait in line to vote at Tarrant County Elections Center on Oct. 29 in Fort Worth, Texas.MONTINIQUE MONROE/GETTY IMAGES

America’s political divisions are also economic divisions – and they are widening. That’s one message that comes through in the visual story-telling from our graphics team, published today, which shows how Republicans and Democrats are increasingly divided by the education levels, racial diversity and the amount of urban or rural character to their communities.

 

Now, the Brookings Institution adds to the finding of a growing divide between metropolitan and non-metropolitan America.

 

Joe Biden last week won 16% of the nation’s counties, but those counties account for 70% of nation’s economic activity, Brookings analysts report. By contrast, President Trump won 84% of counties, accounting for less than 30% of GDP.

Yea. I alluded to this in some other thread and Castanza made up some stuff, threw a fit and told me to get outta there.

 

It's not that interesting. It's pretty intuitive really. If you were to make an analysis of tax paid/collected the numbers would be even more stark.

 

What did I make up? That is literally what I described...This report simply describes it in GDP instead of population...

It isn't. It's because Joe won urban areas. Urban areas have high GDP and high GDP per capita. Due to progressive taxation the tax rate on that GDP is higher in urban areas which results in an even higher proportion of tax paid.

 

Let me give you an example: New York City has about 8.4 million people. Kentucky and South Carolina have about 9.1 million people combined. New York City's GDP? Around 937 billion. KY and SC combined? Around 463 billion. If you don't like that example, we could do this all day long with others. Same shit.

 

This stuff is pretty simple math not rocket science.

 

A huge reason that NYC has such high GDP is simply because of government handouts. If the government normalized interest rates and stopped running huge bailouts, NYC would look like it did in the 1970s again (or worse). The stock market and real estate would get absolutely destroyed. You could also say the same thing about certain parts of CA. Now, I think many parts of the country benefit more than others by government bailouts but NYC gets way more of a benefit.

as i said, not just nyc i could do this all day with cities.

 

Right but that's mostly due to government regulations and laws. When China joined the WTO and NAFTA was approved that killed a lot of small communities. So, cities grew and small towns suffered.

[Gregmal]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/understanding-trump-voters-heres-why-110001165.html

 

This was a pretty well put together piece, I thought. While not capturing the entire substance of the article, I particularly found amusing this paragraph which definitely describes quite a few folks here.

 

As a high school teacher in a predominantly first-generation and low-income Latino community, I noticed something very interesting. First, my fellow teachers, who were naturally very educated, very liberal and quite talented teachers, and usually came from serious financial privilege, barely survived the Trump presidency emotionally. In real life their lives didn't change a bit. They still went to Europe during the summer, went out to eat all weekend, shopped at Whole Foods and lived in the heart of expensive liberal-bastion neighborhoods like Cambridge and Somerville. In fact, I bet their financial lives improved during the Trump presidency, or at least their parents' lives did.

 

[cubsfan]

^ of course, they barely survived emotionally because they are so "woke"!

 

And they certainly don't live in neighborhoods where the schools are wrecked or crime is out of control due to idiotic progressive POLICIES.

 

They are perfectly content to virtue signal! 

 

And perfectly happy to tell everyone else how to live.