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https://www.yahoo.com/gma/breonna-taylor-case-public-outraged-185700167.html

 

 

Yes, that's right. All these scholars and brilliant legal minds with in depth knowledge of the evidence express dismay and outrage over the uninformed and ill advised, not to mention racist and biased grand jury decision. Or maybe they have no clue what justice is and will never be happy unless THEY get what THEY want....

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People demand justice, Greg demands more excuses for police who kill innocent civilians minding their own business! “Biased jury” you must be kidding.

 

LC - I'll preface this that the shooting was a tragedy and coalescence of several bad decisions but calling BT innocent civilian is a gross oversimplification. Breonna was former ex of the drug dealer police was looking to round up (Jamarcus Glober) and gather further evidence. Police also has/had proof of her handling his money and possibly helping with drug movements (photos of suspicious USPS packages). This is the reason why they went to the apartment. While they had a no knock warrant, it looks like that wasn't used so imagine how this unfolded. Police knocks on the door and announce themselves, BT's bf discharges a weapon (though it looks like the first shot he made was to scare the cops off), police react and likely overract. Sadly, BT got caught in the crossfire. She definitely didn't deserve it but she was not an innocent civilian. 

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So first off I’ll ask you to bear with me as I co-mingle topics.

 

On another thread the argument is that Donald Trump is innocent of any election collusion because there is no evidence, charges, or conviction.

 

Now I am willing to accept that because yes, one is innocent until proven guilty, and I believe upholding that principle is more important than any one person (incl. the president).

 

So by the same standard, Breonna Taylor was an innocent victim.

 

And so what I am upset about is the grave inconsistency. For every Trump who the Senate refuses to hear impeachment testimony, there is a Breonna Taylor who is killed by cops with no justification and minimal if any repercussions.

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People demand justice, Greg demands more excuses for police who kill innocent civilians minding their own business! “Biased jury” you must be kidding.

 

LC - I'll preface this that the shooting was a tragedy and coalescence of several bad decisions but calling BT innocent civilian is a gross oversimplification. Breonna was former ex of the drug dealer police was looking to round up (Jamarcus Glober) and gather further evidence. Police also has/had proof of her handling his money and possibly helping with drug movements (photos of suspicious USPS packages). This is the reason why they went to the apartment. While they had a no knock warrant, it looks like that wasn't used so imagine how this unfolded. Police knocks on the door and announce themselves, BT's bf discharges a weapon (though it looks like the first shot he made was to scare the cops off), police react and likely overract. Sadly, BT got caught in the crossfire. She definitely didn't deserve it but she was not an innocent civilian.

 

Ding, ding, dong, we have an informed individual who got acquainted with the facts.

 

Compaing this, as LC does, with imaginary, DJT had a contract with Putin written only in his head, with....all the evidence in this case...including a drug dealer firing shots at cops...well, puts this in the bin of....hardly what the MSM is portraying it as.

 

Thanks, come again.

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I find it difficult to blame the police for this incident and it seems the Grand Jury likely got the situation correct. If I have this right, I believe their duty was not to find guilt or innocence, but to simply decide what charges were appropriate and if there was enough evidence to warrant a trial.

 

From what I have read, the police were executing a “no knock warrant” when they were fired upon from within the room. Returning fire would be a logical thing to do. However, there is certainly some blame involved in originating the warrant with an erroneous address.

 

Unfortunately for Taylor, she was perhaps just another victim of being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Accidents do happen. This was a far cry from a cop smothering someone for 9 or 10 minutes and then being surprised at the result. 

 

Just one more incident in a country with too many guns.

 

JMHO

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So first off I’ll ask you to bear with me as I co-mingle topics.

 

On another thread the argument is that Donald Trump is innocent of any election collusion because there is no evidence, charges, or conviction.

 

Now I am willing to accept that because yes, one is innocent until proven guilty, and I believe upholding that principle is more important than any one person (incl. the president).

 

So by the same standard, Breonna Taylor was an innocent victim.

 

And so what I am upset about is the grave inconsistency. For every Trump who the Senate refuses to hear impeachment testimony, there is a Breonna Taylor who is killed by cops with no justification and minimal if any repercussions.

 

LC - you are right. Legally, BT is innocent until proven guilty. Same as DT is innocent until proven guilty. In reality, not guilty and innocent are not synonymous. Similarly, objectively judging outside of the legal realm, neither DT nor BT are innocent.

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From what I have read, the police were executing a “no knock warrant” when they were fired upon from within the room. Returning fire would be a logical thing to do. However, there is certainly some blame involved in originating the warrant with an erroneous address.

 

Most recent writing indicates that the police had the no-knock warrant but they didn't execute it and they announced themselves. The address was also correct as BT's ex had close contact with her and there is some (very weak) evidence of her handling his money and potentially drugs/weapons.

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From what I have read, the police were executing a “no knock warrant” when they were fired upon from within the room. Returning fire would be a logical thing to do. However, there is certainly some blame involved in originating the warrant with an erroneous address.

 

Most recent writing indicates that the police had the no-knock warrant but they didn't execute it and they announced themselves. The address was also correct as BT's ex had close contact with her and there is some (very weak) evidence of her handling his money and potentially drugs/weapons.

 

Remember, we are now operating in a new political world here in the good ole USA.

 

We have gone from protesting police brutality - full circle now - to black crimes against police.

 

Now, it's perfectly acceptable for blacks to disrespect the police, resist arrest, fight the police, tase the police, take their weapons, shoot at the police,

and kill the police. Only if you are black (or their agents). Then you have all the right in the world to riot, loot, burn and kill others.  All these are now perfectly

acceptable modes of behavior in the name of "social justice" and fighting "systematic racism".

 

Only in America, unfortunately. I may have to move to Canada with CW!

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“Only in America, unfortunately. I may have to move to Canada with CW!”

 

Hey Cubs, you're welcome to join us. Just leave your guns at home and I suggest you get in line early.

So come on up .....  Or Down....

As 27 U.S. States, or parts thereof, are NORTH of the southern part of Canada.

And 13 states are ENTIRELY NORTH north of Canada's southernmost point of land.

 

Little geography lesson from the Great White North for the geographically challenged.

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“Only in America, unfortunately. I may have to move to Canada with CW!”

 

Hey Cubs, you're welcome to join us. Just leave your guns at home and I suggest you get in line early.

So come on up .....  Or Down....

As 27 U.S. States, or parts thereof, are NORTH of the southern part of Canada.

And 13 states are ENTIRELY NORTH north of Canada's southernmost point of land.

 

Little geography lesson from the Great White North for the geographically challenged.

 

I just might do that!  I hate guns, and I love Canada.

Make sure you keep that border open!

 

If Biden wins, I am going to have to do something!

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People demand justice, Greg demands more excuses for police who kill innocent civilians minding their own business! “Biased jury” you must be kidding.

 

LC - I'll preface this that the shooting was a tragedy and coalescence of several bad decisions but calling BT innocent civilian is a gross oversimplification. Breonna was former ex of the drug dealer police was looking to round up (Jamarcus Glober) and gather further evidence. Police also has/had proof of her handling his money and possibly helping with drug movements (photos of suspicious USPS packages). This is the reason why they went to the apartment. While they had a no knock warrant, it looks like that wasn't used so imagine how this unfolded. Police knocks on the door and announce themselves, BT's bf discharges a weapon (though it looks like the first shot he made was to scare the cops off), police react and likely overract. Sadly, BT got caught in the crossfire. She definitely didn't deserve it but she was not an innocent civilian.

 

Ding, ding, dong, we have an informed individual who got acquainted with the facts.

 

Compaing this, as LC does, with imaginary, DJT had a contract with Putin written only in his head, with....all the evidence in this case...including a drug dealer firing shots at cops...well, puts this in the bin of....hardly what the MSM is portraying it as.

 

Thanks, come again.

The boyfriend who fired was her current boyfriend Kenneth Walker. The person who they were looking for who was a suspect was an ex-boyfriend Jamarcus Glover. You can’t even get the basic facts right. Also this is not the first, tenth or probably even hundredth time you have made posts with serious inaccuracies. Makes me wonder why?

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People demand justice, Greg demands more excuses for police who kill innocent civilians minding their own business! “Biased jury” you must be kidding.

 

LC - I'll preface this that the shooting was a tragedy and coalescence of several bad decisions but calling BT innocent civilian is a gross oversimplification. Breonna was former ex of the drug dealer police was looking to round up (Jamarcus Glober) and gather further evidence. Police also has/had proof of her handling his money and possibly helping with drug movements (photos of suspicious USPS packages). This is the reason why they went to the apartment. While they had a no knock warrant, it looks like that wasn't used so imagine how this unfolded. Police knocks on the door and announce themselves, BT's bf discharges a weapon (though it looks like the first shot he made was to scare the cops off), police react and likely overract. Sadly, BT got caught in the crossfire. She definitely didn't deserve it but she was not an innocent civilian.

 

Ding, ding, dong, we have an informed individual who got acquainted with the facts.

 

Compaing this, as LC does, with imaginary, DJT had a contract with Putin written only in his head, with....all the evidence in this case...including a drug dealer firing shots at cops...well, puts this in the bin of....hardly what the MSM is portraying it as.

 

Thanks, come again.

The boyfriend who fired was her current boyfriend Kenneth Walker. The person who they were looking for who was a suspect was an ex-boyfriend Jamarcus Glover. You can’t even get the basic facts right. Also this is not the first, tenth or probably even hundredth time you have made posts with serious inaccuracies. Makes me wonder why?

 

That is correct. Jamarcus Glover was arrested earlier that night prior to serving the warrant at Brianna Taylor's home. Kenneth Walker was in legal possession of the firearm. The police knew prior to serving the warrant at 1 am that Brianna and Kenneth were likely to be there and the main suspect was already in custody. The warrant was changed to a knock and announce warrant.

 

The police claim they knock and announced. Kenneth Walker claims they banged on the door and did not answer multiple yells asking who was there. The police used a battering ram and entered the apartment. Walker shot one of the officers in the leg; the officers returned fire hitting Brianna 6 times. The officers called for medical help for the officer, but Brianna received no medical attention until 20 minutes after the event.

 

Neighbors interviewed did not hear the police announce themselves. The plain clothes officers were not wearing body cameras. Louisville police claims interdiction officers are not required to wear cameras; though, the same officers involved in the incident had worn cameras in previous raids. There was also a uniformed officer present and his body camera footage was not turned over. The police report makes no mention entry was forced or that a suspect had been shot. This case wasn't big news when it happened. It blew up after her family made the case known.

 

The case is a classic word of the police against the word of the suspect and witnesses. Walker claimed he thought someone was breaking into the apartment and fired in self defense. Why is no body camera footage available? Why was a search warrant served at 1am? Why was a police report filed that neglected to mention a suspect had been killed or entry was forced?

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Yes, my mistake In that case, he was more than justified firing at cops, indeed. Fire away!

 

 

From what I have read, the police were executing a “no knock warrant” when they were fired upon from within the room. Returning fire would be a logical thing to do. However, there is certainly some blame involved in originating the warrant with an erroneous address.

 

Most recent writing indicates that the police had the no-knock warrant but they didn't execute it and they announced themselves. The address was also correct as BT's ex had close contact with her and there is some (very weak) evidence of her handling his money and potentially drugs/weapons.

 

Remember, we are now operating in a new political world here in the good ole USA.

 

We have gone from protesting police brutality - full circle now - to black crimes against police.

 

Now, it's perfectly acceptable for blacks to disrespect the police, resist arrest, fight the police, tase the police, take their weapons, shoot at the police,

and kill the police. Only if you are black (or their agents). Then you have all the right in the world to riot, loot, burn and kill others.  All these are now perfectly

acceptable modes of behavior in the name of "social justice" and fighting "systematic racism".

 

Only in America, unfortunately. I may have to move to Canada with CW!

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Apparently.

 

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Yes, my mistake In that case, he was more than justified firing at cops, indeed. Fire away!

 

 

From what I have read, the police were executing a “no knock warrant” when they were fired upon from within the room. Returning fire would be a logical thing to do. However, there is certainly some blame involved in originating the warrant with an erroneous address.

 

Most recent writing indicates that the police had the no-knock warrant but they didn't execute it and they announced themselves. The address was also correct as BT's ex had close contact with her and there is some (very weak) evidence of her handling his money and potentially drugs/weapons.

 

Remember, we are now operating in a new political world here in the good ole USA.

 

We have gone from protesting police brutality - full circle now - to black crimes against police.

 

Now, it's perfectly acceptable for blacks to disrespect the police, resist arrest, fight the police, tase the police, take their weapons, shoot at the police,

and kill the police. Only if you are black (or their agents). Then you have all the right in the world to riot, loot, burn and kill others.  All these are now perfectly

acceptable modes of behavior in the name of "social justice" and fighting "systematic racism".

 

Only in America, unfortunately. I may have to move to Canada with CW!

.

 

Apparently.

 

No apparently according to you hypocrites the 2nd amendment does not apply to people of color. People of color are supposed to not defend themselves when someone breaks down their door in the middle of the night. 100 years later and how little some things have changed since the 1919s.

 

 

 

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"Also this is not the first, tenth or probably even hundredth time you have made posts with serious inaccuracies."

 

Unfortunately Greg does this ALL the time and his favorite trick is to misquote other board members to make his points. I called him out on this as well yesterday.

 

It would seem that the dishonesty at the top of US politics is filtering down to CoBF. If you have to misquote and distort what others have to say to make your point, then obviously you don't have a point in the first place.

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Yes, my mistake In that case, he was more than justified firing at cops, indeed. Fire away!

 

 

From what I have read, the police were executing a “no knock warrant” when they were fired upon from within the room. Returning fire would be a logical thing to do. However, there is certainly some blame involved in originating the warrant with an erroneous address.

 

Most recent writing indicates that the police had the no-knock warrant but they didn't execute it and they announced themselves. The address was also correct as BT's ex had close contact with her and there is some (very weak) evidence of her handling his money and potentially drugs/weapons.

 

Remember, we are now operating in a new political world here in the good ole USA.

 

We have gone from protesting police brutality - full circle now - to black crimes against police.

 

Now, it's perfectly acceptable for blacks to disrespect the police, resist arrest, fight the police, tase the police, take their weapons, shoot at the police,

and kill the police. Only if you are black (or their agents). Then you have all the right in the world to riot, loot, burn and kill others.  All these are now perfectly

acceptable modes of behavior in the name of "social justice" and fighting "systematic racism".

 

Only in America, unfortunately. I may have to move to Canada with CW!

.

 

Apparently.

 

No apparently according to you hypocrites the 2nd amendment does not apply to people of color. People of color are supposed to not defend themselves when someone breaks down their door in the middle of the night. 100 years later and how little some things have changed since the 1919s.

 

Adesigar - try not to be an idiot if you can. I know it might be tough for you.

 

Who said anything about the 2nd amendment? Or people of color defending themselves?

 

Just say what you mean and call us racists.

 

It's a good look for you when you can not come up with a rational argument.

You learned well from your virtue signaling buddies on the LEFT - when all else fails - call them racists and bigots.

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Yes, my mistake In that case, he was more than justified firing at cops, indeed. Fire away!

 

 

From what I have read, the police were executing a “no knock warrant” when they were fired upon from within the room. Returning fire would be a logical thing to do. However, there is certainly some blame involved in originating the warrant with an erroneous address.

 

Most recent writing indicates that the police had the no-knock warrant but they didn't execute it and they announced themselves. The address was also correct as BT's ex had close contact with her and there is some (very weak) evidence of her handling his money and potentially drugs/weapons.

 

Remember, we are now operating in a new political world here in the good ole USA.

 

We have gone from protesting police brutality - full circle now - to black crimes against police.

 

Now, it's perfectly acceptable for blacks to disrespect the police, resist arrest, fight the police, tase the police, take their weapons, shoot at the police,

and kill the police. Only if you are black (or their agents). Then you have all the right in the world to riot, loot, burn and kill others.  All these are now perfectly

acceptable modes of behavior in the name of "social justice" and fighting "systematic racism".

 

Only in America, unfortunately. I may have to move to Canada with CW!

.

 

Apparently.

 

No apparently according to you hypocrites the 2nd amendment does not apply to people of color. People of color are supposed to not defend themselves when someone breaks down their door in the middle of the night. 100 years later and how little some things have changed since the 1919s.

 

Adesigar - try not to be an idiot if you can. I know it might be tough for you.

 

Who said anything about the 2nd amendment? Or people of color defending themselves?

 

Just say what you mean and call us racists.

 

It's a good look for you when you can not come up with a rational argument.

You learned well from your virtue signaling buddies on the LEFT - when all else fails - call them racists and bigots.

 

You and gregmal have succeeded in being idiots and morons for a while. You do it with virtually every post you make. You have no facts, double standards and a cult like mindless regurgitation of Fox News.

 

A guy has his door being knocked down in the middle of the night and fires at the perceived intruder. Isn’t it his 2nd amendment right to protect himself? If I recall correctly you guys have been in favor of the second amendment in past discussions so it must be something else you have a problem with.

 

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I dont think I've ever watched Fox News and Ive stated many times I am in favor of serious gun reforms and that normal citizens should not be allowed to own AR-15s and such. But keep going. You are almost there! Please, just nut up and say it! RACIST! Scream oh brother, scream. Like the liberals teach you. Identity politics!

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Yes, my mistake In that case, he was more than justified firing at cops, indeed. Fire away!

 

 

From what I have read, the police were executing a “no knock warrant” when they were fired upon from within the room. Returning fire would be a logical thing to do. However, there is certainly some blame involved in originating the warrant with an erroneous address.

 

Most recent writing indicates that the police had the no-knock warrant but they didn't execute it and they announced themselves. The address was also correct as BT's ex had close contact with her and there is some (very weak) evidence of her handling his money and potentially drugs/weapons.

 

Remember, we are now operating in a new political world here in the good ole USA.

 

We have gone from protesting police brutality - full circle now - to black crimes against police.

 

Now, it's perfectly acceptable for blacks to disrespect the police, resist arrest, fight the police, tase the police, take their weapons, shoot at the police,

and kill the police. Only if you are black (or their agents). Then you have all the right in the world to riot, loot, burn and kill others.  All these are now perfectly

acceptable modes of behavior in the name of "social justice" and fighting "systematic racism".

 

Only in America, unfortunately. I may have to move to Canada with CW!

.

 

Apparently.

 

No apparently according to you hypocrites the 2nd amendment does not apply to people of color. People of color are supposed to not defend themselves when someone breaks down their door in the middle of the night. 100 years later and how little some things have changed since the 1919s.

 

Adesigar - try not to be an idiot if you can. I know it might be tough for you.

 

Who said anything about the 2nd amendment? Or people of color defending themselves?

 

Just say what you mean and call us racists.

 

It's a good look for you when you can not come up with a rational argument.

You learned well from your virtue signaling buddies on the LEFT - when all else fails - call them racists and bigots.

 

Put yourself in the situation:

 

-You awake at 1am to "bang, bang, bang" on your door

-You yell "Who's there"

-No answer

-"bang, bang, bang"

-You grab your gun and go in the hallway and again yell "Who's there!"

-No answer

-Door explodes off its hinges because its been hit by a battering ram.

-You shoot the first guy through the door

-The two plain clothes dudes rush into your house yelling police, and shoot 20 rounds, another dude is shooting blindly through your apartment window

-Your girl friend is shot 6 times

-A police officer radios for an ambulance for his partner who got shot in the leg (they previously sent the ambulance away because they didn't need it)

-EMTs get there and start administering aid to the injured police officer, your girl friend dies sometime in the 20 minutes between the call for help and EMTs  turning their attention to her

-Police officer firing through the window disappears - his partners don't know where he went and is unreachable. 

-Police book you for attempted murder of a police officer

-Police file a report that says no suspects were injured and the apartment was not entered forcibly, no mention of the 4th uniformed officer on scene

-Family fights for answers - no body cameras were turned over, disappearing officer is fired, all charges are dropped against boyfriend (you) 

 

Given the situation above, what is a responsible gun toting second amendment supporting citizen to do? The police claim they announced themselves. Something neighbors and Walker refute. This could all be cleared up with body camera footage. The three plain clothes officers are not required to wear the cams and said they were not that night, but the three officer in question do regularly wear cameras when serving warrants. The 4th uniformed officer is required to wear his body cam, but the footage has never been turned over. The DA seemed to agree Walker was defending himself, dropping all charges against him.

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