Mephistopheles Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Given the President is guaranteed to win re-election unless there is widespread fraud, the question then becomes what will happen in 2024? https://www.forbes.com/sites/andrewsolender/2020/09/13/trump-says-he-will-negotiate-third-term-because-hes-entitled-to-it/#2c3ed9d0287c Trump keeps saying that he deserves a third term because of how unfairly he has been treated in the first term. I know the 22nd Amendment to the Constitution limits President to serving only two terms, but that's about all I know as a layman. Maybe the lawyers in the room can help me. Is there an "unfairness clause" in the 22nd Amendment that allows for a third term in the case of a President feeling he has not been treated the way he would like? Given this suggestion is coming from the President himself and not some lunatic, it should carry a lot of weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubsfan Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Of course not! We didn't have to suffer through a 3rd term of Barrack Obama - and you shouldn't have to suffer through a 3rd term of trump! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 If the candidates are anything like the ones we've gotten from the libtards recently, definitely give him a third term. A fourth as well. Ultimately though, in America, only two are allowed. At the rate things are going though, NY and other blue states will swing red. The filth, violence and outrageous tax policies will be too much even for the stupid folks to ignore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwericb Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 “Given the President is obviously going to win re-election unless there is widespread fraud...” Not sure if you are serious when you say this, but would anyone really believe this? Trump has obviously and consistently tried to float the idea of voter fraud in order to discredit the election should he lose, but most see through this for the propaganda that it is. “Trump keeps saying that he deserves a third term because of how unfairly he has been treated in the first term.” The man constantly goes on about about how everyone treats him and the country "so unfairly". Boo Hoo. Really, who would believe this? It is bad enough he cries like a spoiled child, but he keeps dragging a once proud country down with him into the same pity party. Surely its time he sucks it up and acts like a man. Anyone who would take this seriously should step outside the box and consider how this ‘poor me’ attitude plays to the rest of the world. Poor little Donnie Trump. Poor little USA, being taken advantage of by all the other countries... Please check your history books. The USA is a great country. It has been an example to the rest of the world for many years. But neither the Country nor Trump needs or deserves anyone’s pity. Play around with Presidential term limits and you set the country up for an authoritarian government. I doubt even those who support Trump would agree to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 I hate to shoot down a big narrative here, but most people in the US do not give two hoots about what other people/countries think of the US. Do you think China cares what the US folks think about them? Generally speaking, worrying about what others think of you is a loser's problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwericb Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 “... most people in the US do not give two hoots about what other people/countries think of the US...” And I used to wonder why the US had a reputation of being arrogant. I always assumed that the US was like most other friendly nations who had a mutual respect for their allies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Sooooo, if I read you correctly... you are asserting that I, should be personally invested, in what other people and politicians, who I most likely do not know, and have not and will not likely ever meet, think about the country in which I live, predicated largely on the actions of people/politicians, that I also do not know and have not nor likely will not ever meet, and in many instances had no say in electing? That sounds utterly retarded and like a total waste of time, but to each their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwericb Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Sooooo, if I read you correctly... you are asserting that I, should be personally invested, in what other people and politicians, who I most likely do not know, and have not and will not likely ever meet, think about the country in which I live, predicated largely on the actions of people/politicians, that I also do not know and have not nor likely will not ever meet, and in many instances had no say in electing? That sounds utterly retarded and like a total waste of time, but to each their own. Are you sure of that? Most citizens take great pride in their own country and it's reputation in the world. But you say that is "... utterly retarded and like a total waste of time...". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 How do you determine "it's reputation around the world"? That seems awfully subjective. Does that include what Middle Eastern countries think? Or China? Or do we make an exception and ignore all of them as a whole because we dont like them(in other words, we chose when to be bothered by what others think of us)? Is there a certain person who gets designated to speak for an entire country and declare "this is what we think of you"? Either way, yea, I think its retarded to be invested in something so frivolous and meaningless in regards to its impact on one's life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 Isolationism has a long history of success which you can surely draw upon to support your point, Greg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwericb Posted September 13, 2020 Share Posted September 13, 2020 "Either way, yea, I think its retarded to be invested in something so frivolous and meaningless in regards to its impact on one's life. " ....... "Isolationism has a long history of success which you can surely draw upon to support your point, Greg." I have said this before Greg, but you should brush up on your world history. But your attitude does explain a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 How are you now jumping to the conclusion that individual people/citizens being personally invested in something entirely subjective, and predicated on things they have zero control over, as a national policy of "isolationism"? And you also answer none of the questions...who determines each countries stance on other countries? What if some citizens of country XYZ think one thing, but others dont? What about countries like China or the Middle East... as I said, this is just a bs liberal talking point. I'm sure everyone was proud of America when Obama dumped a billion in cash in Iran.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 No control? People vote. The US has historical allies primarily in the developed, democratic world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 320M people in the US. Typically between 35-40% of people vote. You are therefore 1/130,000,000. Nowhere else would you consider this having control.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwericb Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 1) You state “... most people in the US do not give two hoots about what other people/countries think of the US...” If you don’t care what other countries think of the US it would indicate you have no pride in your country. 2) “ I'm sure everyone was proud of America when Obama dumped a billion in cash in Iran....” You and some others keep harping on that. Again, read the history and get your facts straight. You listen to the BS Trump tells you and keep bringing that up as one of your peeves against Obama. You seem to believe the Iran Nuclear deal was between the Obama and Iran. You are 100% wrong. That deal was NOT just between the US and Iran. Here, for a change, are the facts. There are least 30 nations that were satisfied with that deal. Because they ... were ... PART ... of ... the ... deal. The Iran nuclear treaty was an agreement between Iran on one side, and on the other side: United Kingdom, Russia, China, United States and the European Union including: Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Republic of Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden. Got it now? 3) “... this is just a bs liberal talking point...” Is that your answer to everything? 4) Anyway, to get back to the subject of this thread, I find it surprising that Trump, who says Biden at 77 is too old, would think the would be capable of finishing a third term at the age of 82. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Pride in my country is not tied to worrying about what random other people and politicians think. I dont really know how you conclude they are related, but to each their own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardboard Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 That is why Cwericb keeps voting for Trudeau who is trying to please everyone but, his citizens. Well, there is an exception lately. If you are black, you get a subsidy to start a business: yellow, white, red, brown dare not apply. Maybe that Trudeau is trying to make up for his black face scandal via this discriminatory program? Cardboard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 320M people in the US. Typically between 35-40% of people vote. You are therefore 1/130,000,000. Nowhere else would you consider this having control.... I assume then that you don’t vote? Trump won by 80k votes in swing states. And didn’t we just discuss the electoral college just over a week ago? This is truly the twilight zone. Back to the topic - isolationism has never benefited human societies compared to trade and specialization. David Ricardo made this very clear over 200 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 320M people in the US. Typically between 35-40% of people vote. You are therefore 1/130,000,000. Nowhere else would you consider this having control.... I assume then that you don’t vote? Trump won by 80k votes in swing states. And didn’t we just discuss the electoral college just over a week ago? This is truly the twilight zone. Back to the topic - isolationism has never benefited human societies compared to trade and specialization. David Ricardo made this very clear over 200 years ago. I do vote, but insinuating that 1/130,000,000 of a say gives you control and that as such, you need to tie your pride to what random people think(without outlining how you go about determining who makes these decisions, IE one random person can approve of an action, and other can disprove) is preposterous. Further, how having 1/130,000,000 of a vote, means your pride should be tied to what others think, regardless of whether the random guy who got elected was the one you voted for.... Ultimately, I tend to believe letting how you feel be influenced by random people and total strangers who mean absolutely nothing in the context of your life to be a losers game. Who cares what others think about you? What are you guys? Teenage girls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerxes Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 If one cherishes one's democracy, the presidential term should remain at 2. If one cherishes autocracy, than perhaps Trump at the end of his second term can downgrade himself into vice-president with Pence taking over the presidency as the de jure leader of the free world, and then Trump can pop back into presidency 4 years later. On Iran, those billions were money that Iran had abroad and that U.S. had frozen for decades. But that doesn't matter. Say enough times, that "we gave billions to Iran" and fans start to believe that it came out of U.S. tax payers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Well, I don’t think global politics can be reduced to a high school popularity contest. More importantly, reputation is a very important asset when dealing with other people - particularly when they haven’t met prior. Sociable behavior returns dividends, unsociable behavior pays interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubsfan Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Trump is going to do what is best for America - first and foremost. Unlike Obama, whose worldview put American citizens a distance second. We've had enough of it - as the lower and middle classes have suffered enough. The USA (like Canada) has always been a loyal ally and will continue to deter much of the evil behavior of the world's despots. After all, we still possess the largest and most powerful military - even if you take the next 5 countries combined. This world is much safer under Trump, than it ever was under Obama - just ask Israel and the Gulf States... You attain Peace through Strength - not undeserved Nobel Peace Prizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Forget what you think Trump IS going to do. Trump HAS done what is best for Trump, and occasionally that coincided with what was best for America. But mostly is hasn’t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adesigar Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 "We can afford to lose money — even a lot of money. But we can't afford to lose reputation — even a shred of reputation." "Lose money for the firm, and I will be understanding. Lose a shred of reputation for the firm, and I will be ruthless." “It takes 20 years to build a reputation and five minutes to ruin it. If you think about that, you'll do things differently.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwericb Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 That is why Cwericb keeps voting for Trudeau who is trying to please everyone but, his citizens. Cardboard Hi Cardboard. You can say this as often as you wish and it still doesn't make it true. FYI as a former member and fundraiser of the conservative party, I have not, nor would I ever vote for Trudeau, nor did I ever cast a vote for his father. Just because one does not worship Donald Trump does not make one a liberal - small "L" or capital "L". I can assume you have also worked for the Conservative Party as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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