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I don't want this to get political, but policies on crime has a huuge effect on property prices.  So one of the worst fears of a NYC landlord is starting to play out like a slow motion train wreck.  The amount of shooting, crimes, protest, and now they are cutting the budget to get rid of graffiti.  Honestly, I could care less if you are gay, straight, trans, liberal, conservative, black, white, woke or not.  I am starting to think about re-allocating capital elsewhere.  If you study the history of NYC, it was disastrous for the city when the white middle class left. 

 

Anyone has any suggestions as to what are some attractive cities, areas in the US that are safe with local governments who enforces law and order?  I'm not trolling, I have to genuinely think this through.  Obviously Chicago, Seattle, and Portland are no goes.     

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Depends on what size city you're looking for.

 

As ThePupil may say, I want all the niceties of big cities, lots of restaurants, amenities etc.  As a man of color, I think not having to deal with racism is helpful.  I can usually stare down confrontations before they start.  But you can't help stupid sometimes. 

 

How has DC fared so far? 

 

I was in Rome a couple of years ago.  Obviously, people go for the history and the heritage.  The area we were staying at had graffiti all over.  It was not pleasant. I think they do a better job at the more touristy locations keeping things nice and clean. 

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Safest states in the US are Maine, Vermont, and New Hampshire.  Manchester NH is the largest city from those states and a great place to live.  Also 60 miles from Boston if you need to go into a larger city for something.

 

If I wasn't partial to where I grew up, I'd say that region is the best area in the country. Absolutely gorgeous.

 

On the topic of areas/demographics....its pretty clear what statistics and factors one can attribute to the desirability. If you like NYC and want "safe and convenient"... it doesnt get much better than Mahwah, NJ. Low property taxes(for the area), great access to schools, 30 minute drive, train straight to Hoboken. Ranked THE SAFEST town in NJ.

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Ting Towns, for a variety of reasons (economic, political, demographic, geographic, and more) are uniquely interesting:

 

1. Centennial, CO

2. Roaring Fork, CO

3. Charlottesville, VA

4. Westminster, MD

5. Fuquay-Varina, NC

6. Holly Springs, NC

7. Rolesville, NC

8. Wake Forest, NC

9. Sandpoint, ID

10. Fullerton, CA

11. Solana Beach, CA

 

Good read --

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ezpk77/chattanooga-gigabit-fiber-network

 

Potentially --

Seattle and Palo Alto : 1960s and computer hardware;

Ting Towns : 2030s and cloud computing

 

They can be. But having lived in one of those towns - it was a ****hole, and it was the people that made it so. From all reports it has gotten worse there. Take those lists with a shaker of rock salt.

 

 

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Depends on what size city you're looking for.

As ThePupil may say, I want all the niceties of big cities, lots of restaurants, amenities etc.  As a man of color, I think not having to deal with racism is helpful.  I can usually stare down confrontations before they start.  But you can't help stupid sometimes. 

 

How has DC fared so far? 

 

I was in Rome a couple of years ago.  Obviously, people go for the history and the heritage.  The area we were staying at had graffiti all over.  It was not pleasant. I think they do a better job at the more touristy locations keeping things nice and clean.

I think you're going about an impossible question. I'll ramble on for a bit and then get to a point.

 

You complain about graffiti in Rome. Well Rome is a pretty safe place, but it has graffiti. In fact graffiti is a problem all across Europe but the cities are quite safe. It's just a thing. Police there are not gonna do a Portland because someone used some spray paint. Fact of life.

 

I know you're asking this thing from a real estate perspective. In that space I've done very well in Raleigh and Pittsburgh. They're pretty techy places they've had money rolling in and it's been good for property (plus I bought at distressed pricing). Do any of these places resemble anything you're looking for? Not at all. On a weekday in Raleigh after 10 PM you can shoot a cannon on a main street down town and not hit anything. You'll come out of a restaurant and not find a cab. Totally dead. No vibrancy at all.

 

Where I think you go astray is that you would prefer an a-la-carte situation. I'll take the diversity and all the benefits associated with that like vibrancy and skill availability but I'll skip the associated downside like social unrest and graffiti. You can't do that because things don't happen in a vacuum, things are correlated. So if you're looking for an environment similar to NYC you're gonna get upsides and downsides that are similar.

 

I also think you're getting a little too panicky about the whole thing. Cities happen because there's a real reason that draws people together from an economic and social standpoint together. Some spray paint isn't gonna change that. Rome is a good example. There has been a majour city there for about 3000 years. It's been sacked by nomads, siege by hostile armies, set on fire etc. It's still and always was a majour city. Do you actually think something like spray paint disrupts those underlying bonds?

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What are people's take on

DC itself has always had terrible racial unrest.

 

 

Could you expand on this?  Any other DC natives here who can help me get up to speed on DC.  The headlines doesn't seem to have as much protest and riots in DC recently?  Am I wrong? 

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Ting Towns, for a variety of reasons (economic, political, demographic, geographic, and more) are uniquely interesting:

 

1. Centennial, CO

2. Roaring Fork, CO

3. Charlottesville, VA

4. Westminster, MD

5. Fuquay-Varina, NC

6. Holly Springs, NC

7. Rolesville, NC

8. Wake Forest, NC

9. Sandpoint, ID

10. Fullerton, CA

11. Solana Beach, CA

 

Good read --

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/ezpk77/chattanooga-gigabit-fiber-network

 

Potentially --

Seattle and Palo Alto : 1960s and computer hardware;

Ting Towns : 2030s and cloud computing

 

I went to school in Charlottesville for 2 years 20 years ago.  The area is lovely.  But I certainly did not feel as comfortable as I did on Long Island as a man of color.  I am not sure if that has changed since then.  It was Abercrombie as F back then. 

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What are people's take on

DC itself has always had terrible racial unrest.

 

 

Could you expand on this?  Any other DC natives here who can help me get up to speed on DC.  The headlines doesn't seem to have as much protest and riots in DC recently?  Am I wrong?

 

Is there something specific you are looking for BG?

 

As far as protests, I vew people here as either those that are career-centric and don't have the time to protest or come from lower income strata and don't have the time or care to go.  I live in a neighborhood that is repsresantive of DC population and during protests my entire block was BBQing in the alley, 6ft apart.  Vandalism tends to be more about crime of opportunity rather than to make a statement. If you look at a lot of DC protest pictures and count the people, you'll note that the marches were overwhelmingly white even though DC is 50% black.  Most people with jobs in DC will also try to avoid getting arrested because Federal gov't is such a large employer and that will exclude them from having a job.

 

Protests have also quieted once it got hot. I have few friends who went for a day or two and then said that it was too hot and humid to go. Incidentally, this isn't the first protest where heat and humidity acted as a deterrent. Worth noting that we get a lot of people outside of DC that come and protest. It's is the capital so statement here probably says a lot more here than say Binghamton, NY.

 

I, too, spent some time at UVa down in Charlottesville about 10 years back. I felt fine as a member of BIPOC. At least no worse than how I felt on LI or growing up in Brooklyn. Can't recall any issues with the population, police, etc. that wouldn't expected of a decently afluent small-medium sized country town.

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Nashville TN is growing very fast. The suburbs are great and it's enjoying a building boom the last few years.

People fleeing Chicago/suburbs and California are accelerating the growth.

 

I would chose Austin, TX over Nashville, if I were to pick a boomtown. I don’t think it’s in BG2008 alley, but Raleigh, NC or Denver would be great picks for me. Since I am a small town guy, I would pick Boulder or Colorado Springs over Denver and Asheville over Raleigh and I like Flagstaff, AZ much more do then the hellhole Phoenix.

 

Each it’s own. What I don’t get is moving Florida where a lot of NY seems to go. Boring landscapes , trashy, hurricane hazards, terrible climate unless live right at the coast and like boating.

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I have been told that atlanta is generating buzz among those considering leaving NYC.  delta hub makes air travel easy, assuming there will be air travel. lots of parks. lots of new high rise apts. many parts walkable. good diverse restaurant scene. lots of transplants so not provincial.  moderate winter (and NYCers can take the heat in summer).

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Its funny but Ive been noticing a lot of media hoopla and narrative currently trying to label "safe neighborhoods" as some stupid sort of anti black thing called a "sundown town", which to steal a joke from everyone's favorite President, "the 1890s called and want their policy back". Which is odd, because at least they are safe during the day. Unlike, lets just say, many "other" neighborhoods, which are never really safe at all...anyone wanna walk Washington Heights right now? Fuck, midtown isn't even looking all that good. What a joke.

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It's important to note that most of the internal migration so far is happening because of COVID-19 risk, not due to other safety risks.

 

The risk of contracting a serious case of COVID-19 while living in a densely populated city is much higher than in a rural setting especially during the early period of the pandemic.

 

Another factor is that many of the people who wanted to be in the city wanted to be in the city to have access to street cafes, nightclubs, cultural events, and so many of those amenities are no longer available in the city. Most of the people I have spoken to who moved or want to move say that the reason they want to leave is that the lifestyle they wanted is no longer available.

 

The risk in a big city comes from the anti-social behavior that is more likely when people believe they have anonymity. Busy streets helps to minimize the criminal's feeling that they are not being watched. So a depopulated city or a city where people avoid going out offers criminals a sense of anonymity without a sense of being likely to be observed. If crime spikes it is likely to happen because of the Pandemic, not because of the party affiliation of the mayor.

 

By the way, a silly data point. Can anyone refer me to a pandemic movie that doesn't feature rioting in cities? I haven't seen that one yet.

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