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Looking at the United States from outside, many wonder if the problems within the U.S. are insurmountable.

 

Racially divided, citizens armed to the teeth, politics split down the center with only two parties, right or left. Conservatives moving further right, liberals moving further left.

 

Widespread homeless, high poverty rates, large divide between rich and poor, high crime rates, overflowing prisons, military style policing, and a serious disease running rampant throughout the country killing tens of thousands every month.

 

An administration whose main priority seems to be the welfare of its leader. A trend towards isolationism, cutting off world organizations and agreements, and incurring friction with traditional allies while praising traditional adversaries.

 

It is hard not to see the situation as depressing. However, one hope that the first step would be for some true statesmen to come forward and make some progress in resolving the political divide.

 

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I don't think so. I think the biggest strength of the US is its ability to regenerate itself which lacks in many other nations. Many times during its history it faced insurmountable problems and the US did a "oh my whoppsie" we'll just do this other thing from now on.

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The U.S. has seen far worse than what we are seeing...The Great Depression...political and economic turmoil in the early 70's...hyperinflation and rising interest rates in the early 80's...the Financial Crisis of 2008 where we were lucky that the financial system didn't collapse and we didn't see a run on banks.  The current crisis is short-term extremely painful, longer-term full recovery...but the bulk of the pain has been incurred...now it's an uneven recovery and long-term issues for the total debt accumulated by governments.  Cheers!

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But the problems at this point are multiple. Racial tensions boiling over, growing unrest over a militaristic police force, high crime and full prisons, a pandemic that is out of control, and a dysfunctional president who puts his own personal interests above all else.

 

But the biggest problem I see, and this has been developing for some time, is the right-left division that is so bitter that it is splitting the country down the middle and paralyzing government.

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But the biggest problem I see, and this has been developing for some time, is the right-left division that is so bitter that it is splitting the country down the middle and paralyzing government.

 

Right on - and fueled by Black Lives Matter and their race-baiting leadership.  Thank you Obama for introducing identity politics

and setting back the concept of E pluribus unum.

 

In the end, this election will be about Law and Order - and whether we destroy all that is great about the United States.

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The U.S. has seen far worse than what we are seeing...The Great Depression...political and economic turmoil in the early 70's...hyperinflation and rising interest rates in the early 80's...the Financial Crisis of 2008 where we were lucky that the financial system didn't collapse and we didn't see a run on banks.  The current crisis is short-term extremely painful, longer-term full recovery...but the bulk of the pain has been incurred...now it's an uneven recovery and long-term issues for the total debt accumulated by governments.  Cheers!

 

We are still early days in this pandemic. If we do not get a vaccine by year and if we get a second wave of the virus in the fall my guess is the economic consequences will get much, much worse. Imagine a second wave of lock downs. What is propping up the global economy is the unprecedented level of government spending / central bank support - one has to think this level of deficit spending cannot continue indefinitely.

 

The more important issue for the US is the fall election (yes, more important than the virus). If Trump is re-elected i think there is a very real possibility US democracy will change permanently. And US standing in the world will change permanently. (This assumes Republicans maintain control of the Senate.)

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Now we've got this story that Trump was aware of Russia placing bounties on the heads of US soldiers, but Trump still attempted to invite Russia back into the G7.

 

Perhaps people can come together and say, "hey, treason is bad".

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Now we've got this story that Trump was aware of Russia placing bounties on the heads of US soldiers, but Trump still attempted to invite Russia back into the G7.

 

Perhaps people can come together and say, "hey, treason is bad".

 

Bounties are nothing new.

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“Right on - and fueled by Black Lives Matter and their race-baiting leadership.  Thank you Obama for introducing identity politics and setting back the concept of E pluribus unum.”

 

Cubs, this split has been developing long, long before Obama. The last major politician that seemed to be able to bring both sides together effectively was Tip O’Neil and he left politics in the late 80's.

 

Twenty years ago the Bush - Gore election was disputed and seemed to be the tipping point dividing the two sides. The eventual vote total in that election showed a difference of just one half of one percent between the two sides and if I remember correctly, was settled in a Florida court.

“In the end, this election will be about Law and Order - and whether we destroy all that is great about the United States.”

 

If you are correct, Trump might as well quit now.

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Viking, regretfully, I have felt this way for some time.

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LC  That should be no surprise. First he doesn’t read, nor does he have ‘time’ for daily security briefings. However, one would have to be delusional not to be very suspicious of the Trump - Russia connection. There is a school of thought that says  Trump was laundering Russian mob money for years through his real estate holdings in New York and now they are holding that over him. Combined with the refusal to release his promised tax records does make one wonder.

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But the biggest problem I see, and this has been developing for some time, is the right-left division that is so bitter that it is splitting the country down the middle and paralyzing government.

 

Right on - and fueled by Black Lives Matter and their race-baiting leadership.  Thank you Obama for introducing identity politics

and setting back the concept of E pluribus unum.

 

In the end, this election will be about Law and Order - and whether we destroy all that is great about the United States.

 

It wasn't Obama who started identity politics...that happened under Dubya and Cheney.

 

Things were also far worse in the 50's and 60's when segregation was coming to an end.  What we are watching today is nothing compared to what used to happen back then.  Cheers!

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To be honest, seeing that stark, clear difference in response to Covid-19 between the US and China is eye opening to say the least. It's not just incompetence that can be blamed on a single person or his administration, it's an entire system that's been laid bare as completely impotent. I'm afraid the mantle has been passed in 2020 and there's no turning back. I've been lighting up on my US exposure and looking to rebalance heavily towards China and East Asia in general.

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Over the past three years the US has lost the respect and trust of much of the western world and it may take a long time to regain that.

 

Ripping up agreements signed in good faith also does not rest well with other nations and they have long memories. It will be difficult to negotiate agreements when the next administration may simply ignore them.

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Over the past three years the US has lost the respect and trust of much of the western world and it may take a long time to regain that.

 

Ripping up agreements signed in good faith also does not rest well with other nations and they have long memories. It will be difficult to negotiate agreements when the next administration may simply ignore them.

 

 

Ripping up agreements that other countries do NOT honor is very good for this country. China and Iran are excellent examples.

 

And our NATO allies now know the USA is serious about America's participation in the continued defense of Western Europe, SO LONG,

as those members HONOR their commitments.

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Over the past three years the US has lost the respect and trust of much of the western world and it may take a long time to regain that.

 

Ripping up agreements signed in good faith also does not rest well with other nations and they have long memories. It will be difficult to negotiate agreements when the next administration may simply ignore them.

 

 

Ripping up agreements that other countries do NOT honor is very good for this country. China and Iran are excellent examples.

 

And our NATO allies now know the USA is serious about America's participation in the continued defense of Western Europe, SO LONG,

as those members HONOR their commitments.

 

Haven't you heard? Only the US must honor its agreements. Other countries can do whatever they want, and should never have consequences. Signed in good faith is bullshit if they are executed in bad faith.

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Over the past three years the US has lost the respect and trust of much of the western world and it may take a long time to regain that.

 

Ripping up agreements signed in good faith also does not rest well with other nations and they have long memories. It will be difficult to negotiate agreements when the next administration may simply ignore them.

 

 

Ripping up agreements that other countries do NOT honor is very good for this country. China and Iran are excellent examples.

 

And our NATO allies now know the USA is serious about America's participation in the continued defense of Western Europe, SO LONG,

as those members HONOR their commitments.

 

Haven't you heard? Only the US must honor its agreements. Other countries can do whatever they want, and should never have consequences. Signed in good faith is bullshit if they are executed in bad faith.

What the fuck are you guys talking about?

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Over the past three years the US has lost the respect and trust of much of the western world and it may take a long time to regain that.

 

Ripping up agreements signed in good faith also does not rest well with other nations and they have long memories. It will be difficult to negotiate agreements when the next administration may simply ignore them.

 

 

Ripping up agreements that other countries do NOT honor is very good for this country. China and Iran are excellent examples.

 

And our NATO allies now know the USA is serious about America's participation in the continued defense of Western Europe, SO LONG,

as those members HONOR their commitments.

 

Haven't you heard? Only the US must honor its agreements. Other countries can do whatever they want, and should never have consequences. Signed in good faith is bullshit if they are executed in bad faith.

What the fuck are you guys talking about?

 

Unfortunately that sort arrogant attitude is why the US has lost so much respect around the world. Cooperate with US allies? No. Attack them because they are "so unfair to us", "they took advantage of us". I mean really, don't you see how the rest of the world perceives you as the US attacks its allies?

 

Don't be a cry baby, if you agree to a deal and then you decide you don't like it, suck it up and live with it. If you buy a stock and it drops in value do you cry to a broker and ask for your money back? 

 

But do you really think all your allies are being mean and nasty to you, but Xi Jinping, Kim Jong-un, and Vlad Putin, well those guys are great people, beautiful, wonderful, tremendous friends.

 

How do you guys justify this stuff? This sort of attitude is the root of many of the problems in the US today. You just don't want to deal with adversity. You don't want lockdowns, you don't want social changes, etc.

 

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Just FYI................

LIBERAL: open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values.

CONSERVATIVE: holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion.

 

See the problem?

 

 

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Let's see now...... SO Barrack Obama makes a disastrous, weak, stupid and dangerous deal with Iran - and THEN they CHEAT ON IT from day 1.

Yeah - let's honor our end, but not force them to honor their end.

 

How dumb are you?

 

China makes trade deals - cheats on them, steals intellectual property and violates copyrights for years on end - so LET'S CONTINUE WITH THAT DEAL.

 

Sure Cwericb!

 

NATO nations run a SURPLUS, like Germany for years on end - but REFUSE to pay for their own defense because they KNOW we will pay for it

forever and ever. Canada and the USA rebuilt Western Europe after WWII. So now the USA is being "mean"? We guarantee their safety

from Soviet attacks for 70 years - and we are being "mean"?

 

What world are you from anyway?

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Let's see now...... SO Barrack Obama makes a disastrous, weak, stupid and dangerous deal with Iran - and THEN they CHEAT ON IT from day 1.

Yeah - let's honor our end, but not force them to honor their end.

 

How dumb are you?

 

China makes trade deals - cheats on them, steals intellectual property and violates copyrights for years on end - so LET'S CONTINUE WITH THAT DEAL.

 

Sure Cwericb!

 

NATO nations run a SURPLUS, like Germany for years on end - but REFUSE to pay for their own defense because they KNOW we will pay for it

forever and ever. Canada and the USA rebuilt Western Europe after WWII. So now the USA is being "mean"? We guarantee their safety

from Soviet attacks for 70 years - and we are being "mean"?

 

What world are you from anyway?

 

Well Cubs, answer this. All those asertations of yours, where did you get all this information?

 

Did your information come from the right wing American media that you often quote? Do you think that is unbiased and correct?

Did it come from independent mainstream American news sources? But isn't that all Fake News?

Perhaps it came from the President?  We all know he is well informed and never lies. Right?

Did you ever think you might just be spreading propaganda?

 

Have you cross checked ANY of your information with news sources outside of the USA?

 

Let me set you straight on something else. You state "...Obama makes a disastrous, weak, stupid and dangerous deal with Iran"

 

Once again the US is not the center of the universe. Get your facts straight, Obama didn't make that Iran agreement. That agreement was a mutual agreement signed by the United Kingdom, Russia, France, China, Germany, the European Union and the United States. And you think all those countries are stupid? And somehow you think Obama created that deal. You are as misinformed as is the president.

 

And as far as NATO is concerned, U.S. interests are not completely altruistic are they? Are you familiar with the phrase, 'you can fight them over there or you can fight them over here'?

 

The US military operates worldwide because it is in their own best interests. The fact that the US is involved in NATO relieves some of the pressure and costs of US protection. Here is some info for you. The United States maintains nearly 800 military bases in more than 70 countries around the world. Only 30 of those 70 countries are in NATO. But the NATO bases are subsidized by NATO. So when it comes to financing the US, instead of criticizing them, be damn glad that NATO contributes so much money to the the protection of US interests around the world.

 

Now as far as protecting Europe from Russian aggression is concerned, is the US safer with those countries aligned with the US or if they were under Russian control? Again, protecting those countries is in the US's own interests, the fact that other countries help pay for NATO also helps the US.

 

Unfortunately it seems that the President is much friendlier with Putin than he is with any of the European countries.

 

So Cubs please explain that for us?

 

The US is facing a lot of problems, blaming others will not resolve anything.

 

 

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Let's see now...... SO Barrack Obama makes a disastrous, weak, stupid and dangerous deal with Iran - and THEN they CHEAT ON IT from day 1.

Yeah - let's honor our end, but not force them to honor their end.

 

How dumb are you?

 

China makes trade deals - cheats on them, steals intellectual property and violates copyrights for years on end - so LET'S CONTINUE WITH THAT DEAL.

 

Sure Cwericb!

 

NATO nations run a SURPLUS, like Germany for years on end - but REFUSE to pay for their own defense because they KNOW we will pay for it

forever and ever. Canada and the USA rebuilt Western Europe after WWII. So now the USA is being "mean"? We guarantee their safety

from Soviet attacks for 70 years - and we are being "mean"?

 

What world are you from anyway?

 

As far as I know, the Iran was complying to the denuclearization deal. They may have done other stuff like funding Hisbollah, but that wasn’t part of the deal. Trump broke the deal not because Iran broke it, but because he didn’t like the deal (it was Obama’s and the western allies ideal after all). Now we can thank him for Iran becoming a nuclear power, because they have nothing to lose.

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Yes, that was my understanding as well. Iran was abiding by the deal but because Obama had been involved Trump had to tear it up. And that is part of the problem that the US is going to have to deal with going forward.

 

You can't have the country sign treaties with other countries for 4-8 years and then have a new president come in and violate every deal signed by the old administration, just because the incoming president has a dislike for the previous president.

 

The situation with Trump has become so bad that Republicans are coming together to support Biden...

"A group of former George W. Bush administration and campaign officials has launched a new super PAC to mobilize disaffected Republican voters for presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden."  https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/01/politics/george-w-bush-43-alumni-super-pac-joe-biden/index.html

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Let's see now...... SO Barrack Obama makes a disastrous, weak, stupid and dangerous deal with Iran - and THEN they CHEAT ON IT from day 1.

Yeah - let's honor our end, but not force them to honor their end.

 

How dumb are you?

 

China makes trade deals - cheats on them, steals intellectual property and violates copyrights for years on end - so LET'S CONTINUE WITH THAT DEAL.

 

Sure Cwericb!

 

NATO nations run a SURPLUS, like Germany for years on end - but REFUSE to pay for their own defense because they KNOW we will pay for it

forever and ever. Canada and the USA rebuilt Western Europe after WWII. So now the USA is being "mean"? We guarantee their safety

from Soviet attacks for 70 years - and we are being "mean"?

 

What world are you from anyway?

 

As far as I know, the Iran was complying to the denuclearization deal. They may have done other stuff like funding Hisbollah, but that wasn’t part of the deal. Trump broke the deal not because Iran broke it, but because he didn’t like the deal (it was Obama’s and the western allies ideal after all). Now we can thank him for Iran becoming a nuclear power, because they have nothing to lose.

 

No - You can thank President Obama for providing Iran with a huge amount of funding for their nuclear program - like $140B.

What kind of idiot sends the world's biggest supporter of terror that kind of money when they hate us?

 

Just a total sucker like President Obama.

 

And they take the money for their expansion of terror into the Middle East - Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Palestine.

The Persians absolutely hate the Arabs - they consider them dogs. 

 

This stupid decision by Obama was SO BAD that Eygpt, Saudi Arabia sided WITH ISRAEL against Iran!

Hows that for a first - several Sunni Arab powers side with the Jews against the Persians.

 

Who would of thought...

 

 

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Not to mention, now that Trump smoked that Terrorist Soleimani - the Iranians understand that Trump means business, unlike gutless Obama.

 

Being unpredictable is a HUGE advantage when you are dealing with trash like the Iranian Revolutionary Guard.

That POS Soleimani killed 600 Americans and was in the process of destabilizing Iraq. You are not hearing much from the terrorist regime right now,

since no one knows who is next.

 

That is how you deal with a terroist nation: Deterrence and Unpredictablilty

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The same gutless Obama who sat back as Osama bin laden, public enemy #1 for a decade, responsible for thousands of American deaths (directly) and even more indirectly, who destabilized a global superpower, died of.....old age?

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