Liberty Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 https://www.wsj.com/articles/john-bolton-the-scandal-of-trumps-china-policy-11592419564 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Sad to see, but not terribly surprising: At the opening dinner of the Osaka G-20 meeting in June 2019, with only interpreters present, Xi had explained to Trump why he was basically building concentration camps in Xinjiang. According to our interpreter, Trump said that Xi should go ahead with building the camps, which Trump thought was exactly the right thing to do. The National Security Council’s top Asia staffer, Matthew Pottinger, told me that Trump said something very similar during his November 2017 trip to China. ... Trump was particularly dyspeptic about Taiwan, having listened to Wall Street financiers who had gotten rich off mainland China investments. One of Trump’s favorite comparisons was to point to the tip of one of his Sharpies and say, “This is Taiwan,” then point to the historic Resolute desk in the Oval Office and say, “This is China.” So much for American commitments and obligations to another democratic ally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Read the Footnotes Posted June 17, 2020 Share Posted June 17, 2020 Thanks for calling attention to this article, Liberty. All the leaked excerpts I've seen are damning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwericb Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 So not satisfied with just having Russia help him get re-elected Trump also asked Xi Jinping of China for his help according to Bolton. Considering Bolton’s history it would be a bit difficult to say that Bolton is just another “Lefty”. ““Trump then, stunningly, turned the conversation to the coming U.S. presidential election, alluding to China’s economic capability and pleading with Xi to ensure he’d win,” Bolton wrote.” Regarding China’s mass detention of Muslim groups “Trump said that Xi should go ahead with building the camps, which Trump thought was exactly the right thing to do,” According to Bolton Trump said invading Venezuela would be “cool” and that it was “really part of the United States.” Will he call this all a "hoax", probably and the cult will believe him? On the cult subject, despite all the warnings about Covid and a 20,000 person indoor rally, his cult followers started to line up at the door last Saturday for this Saturday's event. Scary isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgis Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/the-white-house-was-not-able-to-keep-details-from-boltons-book-from-going-public-but-he-could-still-face-legal-problems/2020/06/17/6258ba4a-b0b7-11ea-8758-bfd1d045525a_story.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keerthiprasad Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Very sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meiroy Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Not surprising to anyone who gets what Trump really is. This is probably just the tip of the iceberg. What we're still missing is a book about his corrupt enablers. These are the guys we really have to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 You guys are surprised by this? A corrupt system leads to corrupt politicians. The Democrats are helping by giving us Clinton and Biden here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Bolton also recalls that Russia helped dwindle Trump's support for Guaidó. In a phone call, Putin characterized Guaido as someone like Hillary Clinton, who decided to "declare herself president" without any real support. Bolton called it a "brilliant display of Soviet-style propaganda from Putin" and claims this moved Trump away from supporting Guaido because not long afterwards Trump told Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin he wanted to ease up on the sanctions. "You couldn't make this up," Bolton writes. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bolton-alleges-trump-said-itd-be-cool-to-invade-venezuela/ar-BB15D1oO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orthopa Posted June 18, 2020 Share Posted June 18, 2020 Did Trump/Bolton have a disagreement/part ways on bad terms? Whats the history here? A quick wiki search page shows tons of pictures of Trump/Bolton working together. What gives? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinod1 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 This from a solid pro-Trump WSJ: https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-confessions-of-john-bolton-11592522040?mod=hp_opin_pos_3 As for Mr. Trump, the book’s excerpts carry no real surprises. The details are depressing against the standards one expects from a President. But voters know Mr. Trump has little tact, is untutored in foreign affairs, operates on personal instincts more than any guiding principles, and looks at nearly everything almost entirely through the prism of what is good for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinod1 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 From Economist: https://www.economist.com/united-states/2020/06/18/details-from-john-boltons-book-are-damning-for-donald-trump?utm_campaign=the-economist-today&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_source=salesforce-marketing-cloud&utm_term=2020-06-18&utm_content=article-link-5 Three main embarrassments for Mr Trump stand out. The first is on the probity of his policy. The heart of the allegation that led the House of Representatives to impeach the president was that he sought to put pressure on Ukraine not in America’s national interest but in order to boost his own re-election chances, by trying to extract dirt on his Democratic opponent, Joe Biden. Mr Bolton portrays this as part of a pattern. At the same meeting in Tokyo Mr Xi defended his mass detention of Uighurs in Xinjiang. Mr Bolton recounts that Mr Trump told Mr Xi that he thought it was “exactly the right thing to do” and he should go ahead with building the camps. The second embarrassment for Mr Trump comes from anecdotes about his ignorance. He asks if Finland is part of Russia. At one point, in a meeting in May 2018 with Britain’s then prime minister, Theresa May, he seemed unaware that Britain was a nuclear power. Unlike Mr Mattis, Mr Bolton, once a Fox News pundit, has been a darling of the right. And, as he writes, “I am hard pressed to identify any significant Trump decision during my tenure that wasn’t driven by re-election calculations.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Did Trump/Bolton have a disagreement/part ways on bad terms? Whats the history here? A quick wiki search page shows tons of pictures of Trump/Bolton working together. What gives? Anyone who speaks out about Trump is a traitor, a liar, a lefty, deranged, sour grapes, bad reporter, an overrated general, fake news network, etc... Or it's Trump that is the problem. You be the judge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 So we are hearing from yet another senior Republican from Trump’s inner circle. Bolton was was known as a meticulous note taker (which should help with accuracy of what was written). Another smart, senior, Republican, former Trump senior aid is saying Trump is unfit for office. I am wondering if we are at an inflection point. More and more Republicans seem to be deciding Trump is evil and has to go. In 5 months we will see... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Trump's niece, Dr. Mary Trump, is a PhD psychologist and she has a tell-all book coming out in July. Trump niece's bombshell book to detail family 'trauma, neglect and abuse'. Publisher says Mary L Trump, a trained psychologist, describes ‘a nightmare of traumas and destructive relationships’ https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/16/mary-trump-book-too-much-never-enough-trauma-neglect-abuse-family-details Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgis Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Trump's niece, Dr. Mary Trump, is a PhD psychologist and she has a tell-all book coming out in July. Trump niece's bombshell book to detail family 'trauma, neglect and abuse'. Publisher says Mary L Trump, a trained psychologist, describes ‘a nightmare of traumas and destructive relationships’ https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/16/mary-trump-book-too-much-never-enough-trauma-neglect-abuse-family-details The only thing these liberals know how to do is write books! Why would anyone read a book? Everything you need to know you can hear in person at Dear Prezident's rally! Make America Greed not Read! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Trump's niece, Dr. Mary Trump, is a PhD psychologist and she has a tell-all book coming out in July. Trump niece's bombshell book to detail family 'trauma, neglect and abuse'. Publisher says Mary L Trump, a trained psychologist, describes ‘a nightmare of traumas and destructive relationships’ https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/16/mary-trump-book-too-much-never-enough-trauma-neglect-abuse-family-details The only thing these liberals know how to do is write books! Why would anyone read a book? Everything you need to know you can hear in person at Dear Prezident's rally! Make America Greed not Read! One of the comedians had an excellent point: Make America Great Again is a poorly chosen slogan for an incumbent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 According to excerpts, Trump asked his former chief of staff John Kelly whether Finland was part of its vast eastern neighbour, ahead of his 2018 visit to Helsinki for talks with President Vladimir Putin. Finland, home to 5.5 million people, became independent from neighbouring Russia in 1917, and fought off two attempted Russian invasions during the second world war. “Trump asked if Finland belongs to Russia. Of course this irritates us Finns,” Hussein al-Taee, a Social Democrat MP, tweeted on Thursday. “I wouldn’t mind so much, but Trump and [Finnish president Sauli] Niinisto met for the first time about eight months before Bolton started working at the White House,” noted Finnish journalist and podcast host Tuomo Hyttinen. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/19/finns-aghast-that-trump-could-think-their-country-is-part-of-russia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwericb Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Make America Great Again - Dump Trump! New slogan for the Dems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubsfan Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 I am wondering if we are at an inflection point. More and more Republicans seem to be deciding Trump is evil and has to go. In 5 months we will see... I do think we are at an inflection point. I think the "silent majority" is furious with the lawlessness being permitted by the Democratic big city mayors. Personally, I think this election will now turn out to be a debate on "law and order" vs "anarchy". Like you say, we will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Rioting is not uncommon when you have high unemployment. But blame it on Democratic mayors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubsfan Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Rioting is not uncommon when you have high unemployment. But blame it on Democratic mayors. Rioting is extremely common when you tell the protesters the police will do nothing, and we will also release you rioters with no bail after arrest. Worked out great for Bill de Blasio, Minneapolis, Chicago ---- oh, I forgot - all Democratically controlled for years on end! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Rioting is not uncommon when you have high unemployment. But blame it on Democratic mayors. Rioting is extremely common when you tell the protesters the police will do nothing, and we will also release you rioters with no bail after arrest. Worked out great for Bill de Blasio, Minneapolis, Chicago ---- oh, I forgot - all Democratically controlled for years on end! Rioting was common before they were withdrawn. Ask Captain Bonespur how the bunker inspection went. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 I am wondering if we are at an inflection point. More and more Republicans seem to be deciding Trump is evil and has to go. In 5 months we will see... I do think we are at an inflection point. I think the "silent majority" is furious with the lawlessness being permitted by the Democratic big city mayors. Personally, I think this election will now turn out to be a debate on "law and order" vs "anarchy". Like you say, we will see. But they're ok with the lawlessness of the President and the Federal Government? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubsfan Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 I am wondering if we are at an inflection point. More and more Republicans seem to be deciding Trump is evil and has to go. In 5 months we will see... I do think we are at an inflection point. I think the "silent majority" is furious with the lawlessness being permitted by the Democratic big city mayors. Personally, I think this election will now turn out to be a debate on "law and order" vs "anarchy". Like you say, we will see. But they're ok with the lawlessness of the President and the Federal Government? Yeah, sure RB - maybe you can be more specific? You referring to that Russian Hoax or the Ukranian scandal or another one of those "nothing burgers"? Get your data over to Adam Schiff, Schumer and Nadler - maybe you have a shot at another impeachment before Trump is re-elected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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