Read the Footnotes Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 https://www.pressherald.com/2020/06/05/our-view-to-president-trump-you-should-resign-now/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 Wonderful, unbiased journalism: "You have never been a good president, but today your shortcomings are unleashing historic levels of suffering on the American people." Or this emotional drivel: "But ask yourself – can this country take five more months like the last five?" Yes, yes it can. I'm quite sure of that. Seriously, how many people would rather dealing with the current situation or fighting in WWII or the Civil War (or several other historic situations)? I'm quite sure that prior generations have experienced far worse sufferings than the vast majority of us have today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Read the Footnotes Posted June 6, 2020 Author Share Posted June 6, 2020 Wonderful, unbiased journalism: "You have never been a good president, but today your shortcomings are unleashing historic levels of suffering on the American people." Or this emotional drivel: "But ask yourself – can this country take five more months like the last five?" Yes, yes it can. I'm quite sure of that. Seriously, how many people would rather dealing with the current situation or fighting in WWII or the Civil War (or several other historic situations)? I'm quite sure that prior generations have experienced far worse sufferings than the vast majority of us have today. I think you don't understand how journalism works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 Wonderful, unbiased journalism: "You have never been a good president, but today your shortcomings are unleashing historic levels of suffering on the American people." Or this emotional drivel: "But ask yourself – can this country take five more months like the last five?" Yes, yes it can. I'm quite sure of that. Seriously, how many people would rather dealing with the current situation or fighting in WWII or the Civil War (or several other historic situations)? I'm quite sure that prior generations have experienced far worse sufferings than the vast majority of us have today. I think you don't understand how journalism works. Oh I understand. I just disagree with emotional drivel. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Read the Footnotes Posted June 6, 2020 Author Share Posted June 6, 2020 Wonderful, unbiased journalism: "You have never been a good president, but today your shortcomings are unleashing historic levels of suffering on the American people." Or this emotional drivel: "But ask yourself – can this country take five more months like the last five?" Yes, yes it can. I'm quite sure of that. Seriously, how many people would rather dealing with the current situation or fighting in WWII or the Civil War (or several other historic situations)? I'm quite sure that prior generations have experienced far worse sufferings than the vast majority of us have today. I think you don't understand how journalism works. Oh I understand. I just disagree with emotional drivel. ;) Your criticism misses an important point. Let me quote for you. By The Editorial Board This is an editorial, by the Editorial Board. That means it plays by different rules. The great thing is that it clearly spells out that it is an editorial. You can find that information at the top left of the page in the future. If only FoxNews spelled out that most of what is on their channel is infotainment and has nothing to do with journalism or journalistic standards. https://oxfordre.com/communication/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780190228613.001.0001/acrefore-9780190228613-e-803 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted June 6, 2020 Share Posted June 6, 2020 Perhaps we are at an inflection point in the US. People may be finally starting to tire of Trump’s sorry act. Once he is finally gone he will be quickly regarded as one of the worst presidents in US history. And those who enabled him will likely be finished politically. Perhaps the greatest risk to Trump is if he continues to fall in the polls he may lose the support of more Senate and House Republicans who out of necessity (keep their jobs in Nov and in 2 more years) will start to speak honestly about how evil/bad this president is. Mattis. Murkowski. So many republicans have clearly said why Trump needs to go. To do so right before a general election is unprecedented. Trump attacks Murkowski after senator calls Mattis rebuke of president ‘necessary and overdue’ - https://www.adn.com/politics/2020/06/04/murkowski-calls-mattis-rebuke-of-trump-necessary-and-overdue-says-shes-struggling-with-whether-to-support-president/ Alaska U.S. Sen. Lisa Murkowski told reporters on Thursday that criticism levied at President Donald Trump by his former defense secretary is “true, honest, necessary and overdue” and said she is “struggling” with her support of the president. Murkowski’s comments represent an unusual rebuke for a Republican senator of the president’s actions in a time of national crisis, with widespread demonstrations and unrest spurred by the death of George Floyd while in the custody of Minneapolis police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Yes, I understand editorial is opinion. What I don't like is the way over-dramatic tone. You can have an opinion without being an entitled crybaby. Foxnews is highly biased. I view Fox and CNN on the same level. If you don't have the professionalism and integrity when a candidate you don't like wins, you're a joke. Acting like Trump is the next Hitler? Jokes. I don't have cable but a while back a TV was on at a house I was visiting and then had CNN. Literally, almost the whole day they were bashing Trump. Trump is a giant turd but to act like he's not done some things well is completely idiotic. Here's more about the "most trusted name in news." From Vox (of all places!): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meiroy Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 What good will it do to remove just Trump? Cancerous tumors like Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham will remain. They are similar to Trump, though far smarter, and so, far more dangerous and THEY enabled someone like Trump to become POTUS and *remain* POTUS. What would prevent them from doing that again? The GOP needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. It is corrupt to the core. Trump is proof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigarbutt Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 The way "news" is prepared ans spread is terribly important. Editorial comments can play a constructive role, are part of media-market dynamics but there are caveats in an increasingly polarized world where consumers have access to a multitude of sources. The journalism crowd is trying to evolve with the times (see link if interested). https://www.americanpressinstitute.org/publications/reports/strategy-studies/contending-with-polarized-audiences/ When issues are emotional, given the increasingly bipolar nature of the debates, basic fact-based arguments may simply be disregarded and editorials such as the one mentioned in this thread (IMO) will only crystallize even more the entrenched position on both sides. The link above discusses ways to avoid triggering the quasi-automatic retreat mechanisms in order to have a chance to bridge the gap. Some people understand rapidly but may still require a long explanation. For various investment themes or names discussed here, facts are mentioned but i often enjoy the 'editorials' that belong to the other side of the argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
meiroy Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 On which "side" is Mettis and https://lincolnproject.us/? Who are on the other "side"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Read the Footnotes Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share Posted June 7, 2020 Viking and meiroy, I am encouraged and I too think this is an inflection point. My hope is that Trump, McConnell and Graham find their careers at an end. Anyone who doubts the severity of the risks here is not a student of history. Stahleyp and Cigarbutt, good to see some intelligent discussion regarding news, information, entertainment, and editorials. I think the news organizations are somewhat to blame for the mess we are in, though social media and non-traditional "news" sources or "citizen journalists" may bear an even greater responsibility. An equally large problem though is the consumer of information and their inability to properly vet and understand the quality of information, to properly rank the reliability of sources, and to separate fact from fiction, journalism from opinion or infotainment. Regarding the importance of the Portland Press Herald editorial, it is being referenced in larger news sources and is potentially the beginning of a trend of denouncements. It's not clear how their importance may have diminished today, but historically Political endorsements by editorial boards during election season are a part of the election process. Calls for resignation would be an unusual development to say the least. I for instance, originally found the Portland Press Herald article through the Boston Globe. The Boston Globe editorial board has in the past endorsed republican and libertarian candidates as recently as 2018. The Globe's editorial board is writing increasingly critical editorials on Trump. https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/12/opinion/trumps-virulent-state-denial/ https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/30/opinion/president-unfit-pandemic/ https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/04/20/opinion/president-fails-his-own-test/ Interestingly these editorials are not behind their paywall and these editorials might signal that the Globe also might be moving toward calling for Trump's resignation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 What good will it do to remove just Trump? Cancerous tumors like Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham will remain. They are similar to Trump, though far smarter, and so, far more dangerous and THEY enabled someone like Trump to become POTUS and *remain* POTUS. What would prevent them from doing that again? The GOP needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. It is corrupt to the core. Trump is proof. Don't forget to add Pelosi to that list. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Read the Footnotes Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share Posted June 7, 2020 What good will it do to remove just Trump? Cancerous tumors like Mitch McConnell and Lindsey Graham will remain. They are similar to Trump, though far smarter, and so, far more dangerous and THEY enabled someone like Trump to become POTUS and *remain* POTUS. What would prevent them from doing that again? The GOP needs to be rebuilt from the ground up. It is corrupt to the core. Trump is proof. Don't forget to add Pelosi to that list. ;) It's probably better to leave Pelosi in place. At least she is an adult and has had some success in restraining the more radical elements of her party. Now that the angry populist Trump party may be self-destructing, our greatest worry should be the rise of an angry illiberal leftist populist party. The best thing for the nation would likely be a period of calm with centrist leadership rather than an abrupt swing too far to the left. The most unifying thing I can imagine would be Biden choosing someone even more centrist and level headed than himself, but who knows if there is any scenario in which that would be an electable ticket. Personally, I would love to see something like a Biden-Romney ticket that positions itself as Trump vs America, but who knows if that would be electable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 I consider McConnell and Pelosi as two different sides of the same coin. I'm honestly not sure who is worse. I do give Pelosi a bit of props for fighting off the left. Her "ripping" the behind Trump was total bs though. I also give McConnell a bit of the same for trying to force fiscal discipline on states...but he loses a lot of that credit for not doing the same on a Federal level. I wouldn't mind seeing both of them out of office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigarbutt Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 On which "side" is Mettis and https://lincolnproject.us/? Who are on the other "side"? The idea may be to rally enough support to carry on in the right direction? In an 1838 speech, Lincoln expressed his deep attachment to the rule of law, even to the extent of observing inadequate legislation. Imagine the searing internal struggle when constitutional powers and principles of the rule of law had to be stretched afterwards. Probably similar to the mental tempest that General Mattis had to go through before expressing support in favor of protesters and against the top elected official, representing law and order. But Lincoln evolved and he was ahead of his fellow countrymen but he made sure to never lose touch with the critical masses who, also, had to evolve somehow in the right direction. An unfortunate choice though would be to sweep the dust under the carpet. There may be a third way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Viking Posted June 7, 2020 Share Posted June 7, 2020 Yes, I understand editorial is opinion. What I don't like is the way over-dramatic tone. You can have an opinion without being an entitled crybaby. Foxnews is highly biased. I view Fox and CNN on the same level. If you don't have the professionalism and integrity when a candidate you don't like wins, you're a joke. Acting like Trump is the next Hitler? Jokes. I don't have cable but a while back a TV was on at a house I was visiting and then had CNN. Literally, almost the whole day they were bashing Trump. Trump is a giant turd but to act like he's not done some things well is completely idiotic. Here's more about the "most trusted name in news." From Vox (of all places!): When you look at the entirety of what Trump has done the past three years since becoming President, it is clear that he has been an absolute disaster for the US nation. Of course he has had some successes. But they pale in comparison to all of his many, many failures. Look at all the people who have resigned from very important roles in his presidency and what they say after the fact. Saying ‘he did some good things’ or ‘all politicians are terrible’ are just ways to distract from the sorry truth of just how evil this man is. Who cares if he did some good things when he has done at least x10 terrible things. If a politician is terrible they should be voted out of office. There is no way to sugar coat it... the man is unfit to govern. And this opinion is not coming from me. It is coming from many Republicans. Colin Powell being the latest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Read the Footnotes Posted June 7, 2020 Author Share Posted June 7, 2020 Yes, I understand editorial is opinion. What I don't like is the way over-dramatic tone. You can have an opinion without being an entitled crybaby. Foxnews is highly biased. I view Fox and CNN on the same level. If you don't have the professionalism and integrity when a candidate you don't like wins, you're a joke. Acting like Trump is the next Hitler? Jokes. I don't have cable but a while back a TV was on at a house I was visiting and then had CNN. Literally, almost the whole day they were bashing Trump. Trump is a giant turd but to act like he's not done some things well is completely idiotic. Here's more about the "most trusted name in news." From Vox (of all places!): When you look at the entirety of what Trump has done the past three years since becoming President, it is clear that he has been an absolute disaster for the US nation. Of course he has had some successes. But they pale in comparison to all of his many, many failures. Look at all the people who have resigned from very important roles in his presidency and what they say after the fact. Saying ‘he did some good things’ or ‘all politicians are terrible’ are just ways to distract from the sorry truth of just how evil this man is. Who cares if he did some good things when he has done at least x10 terrible things. If a politician is terrible they should be voted out of office. There is no way to sugar coat it... the man is unfit to govern. And this opinion is not coming from me. It is coming from many Republicans. Colin Powell being the latest. and the original Volkswagen was a great car for its day. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 For what it's worth (not much), I'm fairly convinced the vast majority of our issues arise from a lack of fiscal discipline. For instance, the Fed/government bailouts companies that would otherwise go bankrupt. That creates animosity since it's unjust. Certain states and cities overspend and then want bailouts (one of the biggest was probably NYC in 1975). This makes the more prudent states mad because it's unjust. Both of these create inequalities that wouldn't naturally exist except in the course of free spending. If we ran a balanced budget (or perhaps forced to run a balanced budget over a period of say 10 years) a lot of these problems would be solved because people would be forced to solve them before they got too big. So my personal stance is balanced budget for states and balanced for the Federal government over a 10 year time frame. That allows the government to run large deficits over a certain period of time but would ultimately require discipline to pay it back. Economic growth would probably be a little choppier but I imagine we wouldn't have nearly the amount of unrest that we do now (and that will probably get worse). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Yes, I understand editorial is opinion. What I don't like is the way over-dramatic tone. You can have an opinion without being an entitled crybaby. Foxnews is highly biased. I view Fox and CNN on the same level. If you don't have the professionalism and integrity when a candidate you don't like wins, you're a joke. Acting like Trump is the next Hitler? Jokes. I don't have cable but a while back a TV was on at a house I was visiting and then had CNN. Literally, almost the whole day they were bashing Trump. Trump is a giant turd but to act like he's not done some things well is completely idiotic. Here's more about the "most trusted name in news." From Vox (of all places!): When you look at the entirety of what Trump has done the past three years since becoming President, it is clear that he has been an absolute disaster for the US nation. Of course he has had some successes. But they pale in comparison to all of his many, many failures. Look at all the people who have resigned from very important roles in his presidency and what they say after the fact. Saying ‘he did some good things’ or ‘all politicians are terrible’ are just ways to distract from the sorry truth of just how evil this man is. Who cares if he did some good things when he has done at least x10 terrible things. If a politician is terrible they should be voted out of office. There is no way to sugar coat it... the man is unfit to govern. And this opinion is not coming from me. It is coming from many Republicans. Colin Powell being the latest. What do you find evil about Trump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Eriksen Posted June 8, 2020 Share Posted June 8, 2020 Yes, I understand editorial is opinion. What I don't like is the way over-dramatic tone. You can have an opinion without being an entitled crybaby. Foxnews is highly biased. I view Fox and CNN on the same level. If you don't have the professionalism and integrity when a candidate you don't like wins, you're a joke. Acting like Trump is the next Hitler? Jokes. I don't have cable but a while back a TV was on at a house I was visiting and then had CNN. Literally, almost the whole day they were bashing Trump. Trump is a giant turd but to act like he's not done some things well is completely idiotic. Here's more about the "most trusted name in news." From Vox (of all places!): When you look at the entirety of what Trump has done the past three years since becoming President, it is clear that he has been an absolute disaster for the US nation. Of course he has had some successes. But they pale in comparison to all of his many, many failures. Look at all the people who have resigned from very important roles in his presidency and what they say after the fact. Saying ‘he did some good things’ or ‘all politicians are terrible’ are just ways to distract from the sorry truth of just how evil this man is. Who cares if he did some good things when he has done at least x10 terrible things. If a politician is terrible they should be voted out of office. There is no way to sugar coat it... the man is unfit to govern. And this opinion is not coming from me. It is coming from many Republicans. Colin Powell being the latest. Not defending Trump, but it is hard to call Powell Republican. He endorsed Hillary in 16 and Obama in 08 and 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Read the Footnotes Posted June 8, 2020 Author Share Posted June 8, 2020 Yes, I understand editorial is opinion. What I don't like is the way over-dramatic tone. You can have an opinion without being an entitled crybaby. Foxnews is highly biased. I view Fox and CNN on the same level. If you don't have the professionalism and integrity when a candidate you don't like wins, you're a joke. Acting like Trump is the next Hitler? Jokes. I don't have cable but a while back a TV was on at a house I was visiting and then had CNN. Literally, almost the whole day they were bashing Trump. Trump is a giant turd but to act like he's not done some things well is completely idiotic. Here's more about the "most trusted name in news." From Vox (of all places!): When you look at the entirety of what Trump has done the past three years since becoming President, it is clear that he has been an absolute disaster for the US nation. Of course he has had some successes. But they pale in comparison to all of his many, many failures. Look at all the people who have resigned from very important roles in his presidency and what they say after the fact. Saying ‘he did some good things’ or ‘all politicians are terrible’ are just ways to distract from the sorry truth of just how evil this man is. Who cares if he did some good things when he has done at least x10 terrible things. If a politician is terrible they should be voted out of office. There is no way to sugar coat it... the man is unfit to govern. And this opinion is not coming from me. It is coming from many Republicans. Colin Powell being the latest. Not defending Trump, but it is hard to call Powell Republican. He endorsed Hillary in 16 and Obama in 08 and 12. Regardless of his politics, this interview exceeded any expectations I had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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