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Thirty years ago today (Nov 9) the Berlin Wall came down to celebrations all over the world. This came two years after Ronald Reagan uttered those famous words in Germany ...

 

“Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall!"

 

Meanwhile in the United States, Donald Trump is still intent on building his.

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30 years ago there were 0 crimes committed in America by MS13. Nor was there a fentanyl crisis. Also there was bipartisan support for enforcing immigration policy and keeping our taxpayers safe. The rights of our citizens, up until maybe a decade or so ago, always typically came before whatever "rights" we assigned to people illegally entering and occupying our country. So, times have definitely changed.

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Meanwhile in the United States, Donald Trump is still intent on building his.

 

Try to keep up with the news.  Trump supporters consider this a promise kept, and a promise he will keep alive in continuing to bulldog the wall opponents.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2019/10/20/americas/mexico-border-wall-trump/index.html

 

"Mexico, they argue, actually built US President Donald Trump's border wall after all -- not with concrete or bricks or steel, but with thousands of federal forces like this camouflage-clad commander and the troops following his orders.

And Mexico, they argue, is paying for it."

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Not disputing the need for controlling the border. But not sure how effective a wall will be. Didn't work all that great for the Germans - and they shot trespassers on sight.

 

This is the thing though, the wall, as simplistic as it is, is basically all that CAN GET DONE. And even that, as you are seeing, is a difficult task, despite many Democrats previously having been in favor of one. Everyone can acknowledge there are better ways to handle this. The problem is that the Democrats are so despicable, they refuse to engage on even the most basic requests(like a wall), let alone more efficient methods. And even when they pretend to, THEY HOLD EVERYONE HOSTAGE, USING MINOR CONCESSIONS FOR BETTER BORDER SECURITY AS BARGAINING CHIPS, only showing a willingness to agree to cooperate, in exchange for concessions on many of their other ridiculous welfare and handout programs that abuse the taxpaying American citizen. So at the end of the day, the wall is not the best option, but its better than nothing, and its all that is realistically feasible because of the disgusting behavior of the current Democrat regime.

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30 years ago there were 0 crimes committed in America by MS13. Nor was there a fentanyl crisis. Also there was bipartisan support for enforcing immigration policy and keeping our taxpayers safe. The rights of our citizens, up until maybe a decade or so ago, always typically came before whatever "rights" we assigned to people illegally entering and occupying our country. So, times have definitely changed.

I will not enter this debate even if a "wall" is common to both interesting issues.

But, in the interest of the importance of a balanced and bipartisan approach, will supply additional data as potential food for thought.

Analyzing the "fentanyl crisis" from the supply side, you may want to consider the objective data that shows that most of the incremental production of the synthetic stuff is not coming from Mexican rapists but from Evil China.

Also, since the invisible hand does not exactly put the needle in the vein, you may want to look at the demand factors:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-02686-2

Build it, and they will come.

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Analyzing the "fentanyl crisis" from the supply side, you may want to consider the objective data that shows that most of the incremental production of the synthetic stuff is not coming from Mexican rapists but from Evil China.

 

Good to see you calling out "Evil China" and coming around to acknowledge the importance of the China supply side, via the Mexican border!

 

A real war that is. Time to call Colin Powell to get some justification to wage a war against some 3rd world shithole country.

 

This is the only way Trump is going to get reelected and stay out of prison. Xi & Fed are trying to wait it out.

 

Please tweet your favorite country to Trump.

 

A good old war removes excess capacity, creates demand, stimulates world economy, helps developed world exit negative rate hell, rally Americans to support war time President, increase patriotism, silence socialist critics, take attention away from Biden/Democratic contenders, etc etc.

 

This also helps Trump get his vaunted Medal of Honor and when peace ensues, get a Nobel prize.

Yes, a war of some type is warranted.  China is a key responsible player in the deaths of scores of thousands of Americans, on top of their theft of our intellectual property.

 

"Also, I am ordering all carriers, including Fed Ex, Amazon, UPS and the Post Office, to SEARCH FOR & REFUSE, all deliveries of Fentanyl from China (or anywhere else!). Fentanyl kills 100,000 Americans a year. President Xi said this would stop - it didn’t."

 

This is beyond politics.  This is Commander-in-Chief talk.  This is why we voted for him:  to fight for American citizens. 

 

Does Biden, or any Democrat, have the balls to do anything like this?  Or any Republican?  Recent previous Presidents tried to play nice.  Trump has the big picture right.  Against the China bully, we need a bully like Trump to do what's necessary on behalf of American citizens, and not just on trade and intellectual property.

 

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1164914959131848705

Hi cobafdek,

I understand that the fentanyl question involves a supply issue but your comment seems to integrate too easily a resentment component which, it seems, forms the basis of the bully-like message concerning the trade imbalance conundrum at large. Don't you tell people to look inside themselves for the answers?

To deal with the opioid and addiction crisis, the US has spent $1T and made forty-five million drug arrests. Are you getting ahead?

 

I would submit that the most important issue are the reasons behind the incredibly high and excessive demand for drugs.

I guess fighting can be justified in selected circumstances but I wouldn't fight for the wrong reasons even if a so-called Commander would order me to do so. Would you?

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30 years ago there were 0 crimes committed in America by MS13. Nor was there a fentanyl crisis. Also there was bipartisan support for enforcing immigration policy and keeping our taxpayers safe. The rights of our citizens, up until maybe a decade or so ago, always typically came before whatever "rights" we assigned to people illegally entering and occupying our country. So, times have definitely changed.

 

The crime rate has dropped relentless during the last 30 years. I would also argue that the drug problem was there, but the drugs of choice has changed. If you take away fentanyl, it will very likely be replaced with another drug.

 

MS13 is certainly a problem and they are nasty fellows, but is only ~1% of the gang members in the Us and a similar percentage of crimes. It’s hardly the “red X” of solving the gang problem.

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Fentayl and MS13 are again just pieces of the puzzle. The big issue is border enforcement, and that yes, a wall is an imperfect solution, but the reality is, that at this point, its the only possible one because they Democrats refuse to help solve the issue. In fact, many of them are in favor of opening up the borders completely. So a border wall is all we can really do. If you want to complain about there being better solutions than a border wall, it ought to start with chewing out these lefty pigs for the situation they've put us in and their refusal to do anything about it going forward.

 

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Analyzing the "fentanyl crisis" from the supply side, you may want to consider the objective data that shows that most of the incremental production of the synthetic stuff is not coming from Mexican rapists but from Evil China.

Good to see you calling out "Evil China" and coming around to acknowledge the importance of the China supply side, via the Mexican border!

The underlying point is that addressing the supply issue without taking note of the demand side would be ineffective.

A question that remains unanswered is how a "wall" would work as it is widely recognized that most of the 'products' are coming through legal points of entry. ???

As for the language used, theses threads are not an area to 'win' arguments leading to attempts hoping to maintain some kind of adjusted active and constructive communication because I still think that everything has a crack in it, that's how the light gets in.

 

 

 

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4 days ago today, 9 us citizens, all women and children were wiped out by a mexican cartel.

 

In Mexico.  They were Mormons who had been living in their compound for a couple of generations in Mexico.

 

How many Americans are killed by guns in the U.S. every year by U.S. citizens?  Where is the outcry for gun control within the United States, let alone this fear of dirty, Mexican, drug cartels killing Americans.

 

Remember how Eli Wallach was presented as the "Ugly" one in the "Good, The Bad, and the Ugly".  It seems as though that descriptor is still being used to describe Mexicans. 

 

Cheers! 

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"This is the thing though, the wall, as simplistic as it is, is basically all that CAN GET DONE. And even that, as you are seeing, is a difficult task, despite many Democrats previously having been in favor of one. Everyone can acknowledge there are better ways to handle this. The problem is that the Democrats are so despicable, they refuse to engage on even the most basic requests(like a wall), let alone more efficient methods. And even when they pretend to, THEY HOLD EVERYONE HOSTAGE, USING MINOR CONCESSIONS FOR BETTER BORDER SECURITY AS BARGAINING CHIPS, only showing a willingness to agree to cooperate, in exchange for concessions on many of their other ridiculous welfare and handout programs that abuse the taxpaying American citizen. So at the end of the day, the wall is not the best option, but its better than nothing, and its all that is realistically feasible because of the disgusting behavior of the current Democrat regime."

 

+1

 

As usual Gregmal and a few others are the logical fellows in these debates: they see reality for what it is, are open minded, looking to solve issues and not blindly following a cult.

 

Then look at the opposite or other responses: this won't work, let's address this issue instead and what not.

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4 days ago today, 9 us citizens, all women and children were wiped out by a mexican cartel.

 

In Mexico.  They were Mormons who had been living in their compound for a couple of generations in Mexico.

 

How many Americans are killed by guns in the U.S. every year by U.S. citizens?  Where is the outcry for gun control within the United States, let alone this fear of dirty, Mexican, drug cartels killing Americans.

 

Remember how Eli Wallach was presented as the "Ugly" one in the "Good, The Bad, and the Ugly".  It seems as though that descriptor is still being used to describe Mexicans. 

 

Cheers!

 

Nobody said anything about mexicans as a people. That's you trying to turn this into a racial issue. Anytime the left starts losing that's your first go to. 

 

If Mexico is really just as safe and great as the us why are all these people trying to get into the US?  Why  aren't people moving to Mexico to escape the US?

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Nobody in here has mentioned the reason for the drug war and the failure of the “war on drugs.”

 

- Gary Webb

- Make drugs legal

 

Violence, gangs, opioid crisis, mass incarceration, gang related crime all are a direct result of government. And what is the solution in place? More government and the reduction of individual liberty for law abiding citizens.

 

 

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It seems that every time something is posted here everyone jumps up and says it is all the Democrats fault or it is all the Republicans fault.

 

For Pete's sake suck it up and look for solutions to solve the problems don't keep blaming everyone else for the problem. That won't fix anything.

 

Just for the record. I believe the Wall will help - some. I just think that it is basically a dumb waste of money could be much better spent. More manpower for starters. And back them up with more motion sensors etc. 

 

Spending money on manpower is actually very efficient in a financial sense.

 

A percentage goes right back to government through income tax and the rest goes into the local economy where much of that again taxed back. So rather than a big one time expense to contractors, you have an ongoing stimulus to the local economies along the border and in a lot of border towns that is much needed.

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It seems that every time something is posted here everyone jumps up and says it is all the Democrats fault or it is all the Republicans fault.

 

For Pete's sake suck it up and look for solutions to solve the problems don't keep blaming everyone else for the problem. That won't fix anything.

 

Just for the record. I believe the Wall will help - some. I just think that it is basically a dumb waste of money could be much better spent. More manpower for starters. And back them up with more motion sensors etc. 

 

Spending money on manpower is actually very efficient in a financial sense.

 

A percentage goes right back to government through income tax and the rest goes into the local economy where much of that again taxed back. So rather than a big one time expense to contractors, you have an ongoing stimulus to the local economies along the border and in a lot of border towns that is much needed.

 

I agree, but again, look at what the situation is. Democrats will not only REFUSE to consider this...many of them in fact want to take it a step further a do away with ICE and border patrol ALTOGETHER! So lets give blame where it is due.

 

We've all talked about the problem and how to solve it. It's easy in theory. But there is a component of the current equation that refuses to play ball. Thats why the wall is currently the best we can do.

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It seems that every time something is posted here everyone jumps up and says it is all the Democrats fault or it is all the Republicans fault.

 

Couldn't agree more - Not sure I've ever seen as much obstruction and lying as this Democratic Party though. They simply won't debate or pass any

bills that make the present administration look good. They are totally consumed with impeaching Trump.  That decision was made day 1.

 

This Democratic Party is downright dangerous with the huge move to the left - there is NO compromise with them.

The young radicals (AOC, Omar, Schiff, Sawell) make the old liberals (Pelosi, Maxine,etc) look tame.

They are destroying their own party.

 

They need to go unfortunately for the good of country.

 

Just look at the reception Trump recieved at the Washington Nationals World Series game - and compare it to the reception at the Alabama/LSU game.

That tells you the story of where this country is at in regards to President Trump.

 

https://www.dailywire.com/news/real-america-trump-greeted-by-thunderous-applause-at-lsu-alabama-game

 

They should suck it up and work with the man - as the country wants. And put forth an actual presidential candidate that makes sense.

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