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This is not going to end well.

 

There are people who believe in man made climate change.  Some of those people believe that all life will be extinguished in about 10 years.

 

If they truly have those beliefs, then what is a bit of civil disturbance? What will they be willing to do in order to accomplish their goals?

 

What if the "Green New Deal" gets implemented?  If so, we are aren't going to be worried about boosting returns on investments!  The hot new discussion topics will be about how to get enough food.  How to boost returns on your garden & plantings.  Who has the fattest goats at the best price!

 

The industrial revolution and mass production will be undone along with Western Civilization. 

 

"Interesting" times!

 

 

 

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This is not going to end well.

 

There are people who believe in man made climate change.  Some of those people believe that all life will be extinguished in about 10 years.

 

If they truly have those beliefs, then what is a bit of civil disturbance? What will they be willing to do in order to accomplish their goals?

 

What if the "Green New Deal" gets implemented?  If so, we are aren't going to be worried about boosting returns on investments!  The hot new discussion topics will be about how to get enough food.  How to boost returns on your garden & plantings.  Who has the fattest goats at the best price!

 

The industrial revolution and mass production will be undone along with Western Civilization. 

 

"Interesting" times!

I have a more optimistic outlook and suggest to look at a wider perspective: this may be (sometimes messy) democratic work in progress.

Disclosure: As a citizen, time has been spent (going to original sources, trying to understand the models) and specifically, more time was allocated to the 'climate' effect on wildfire risks for Californian electric utilities. I have become more open to a measured approach.

 

The crowd (and some of its members) is not always right but a recent survey in Canada (I would bet similar results would show up in the US, perhaps even more so in the Detroit area) shows the large gap that persists between intent and behavior, given everyday circumstances.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5948758/canadians-climate-change-ipsos-poll/

Most people do not want to spend actual money on the issue and some of the others likely consider that this should be a 'joint' effort (ie not a proportional effort).

 

But tough topics have to be addressed head on, even if you may not like the conclusions, measured or not.

 

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"As a citizen, time has been spent (going to original sources, trying to understand the models) and specifically, more time was allocated to the 'climate' effect on wildfire risks for Californian electric utilities. I have become more open to a measured approach."

 

As a citizen, have you considered that if global temperature were down 2 degrees and that Californian were still refusing to cut trees and clear bushes by power lines that we would still have wildfires?

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"As a citizen, time has been spent (going to original sources, trying to understand the models) and specifically, more time was allocated to the 'climate' effect on wildfire risks for Californian electric utilities. I have become more open to a measured approach."

 

As a citizen, have you considered that if global temperature were down 2 degrees and that Californian were still refusing to cut trees and clear bushes by power lines that we would still have wildfires?

Are you assuming that I am a progressive liberal leftist with a cabbage brain? :)

Disclosure: I'm the only one (out of 5) who voted conservative in my household and the younger members have come up with better and stronger arguments (they still let me win the rhetorical component of the argument but that won't be enough long-term wise) on the environmental front so I have work to do, some of which is shared below.

 

The issue (rising acreage burned and associated rising damage loss in $) is multi-factorial. It is easy for the environmental fringe to focus on one aspect (temperature) and easy for the other fringe to focus on the use of the rake. I think that you are correct when referring to the 'fuel' argument (fault on PG&E, too much fire suppression effort in many circumstances and, especially, the passive and often counter-constructive policies from public authorities at all levels and insurers that let or even encouraged the building of housing at the wildland interface). There are inherent limitations and potential fallacies in studies (statistically inclined or otherwise) when trying to isolate the weight of one factor versus the others but the climate variables (changes in temperature, duration of dry season) have played (on a weighted probability basis with confidence intervals) a determinant role in the rise of acreage burned.

 

Here are some references. The first is a generic article that seems to sum up well the challenge(s) facing the relevant decision makers. The second is a follow-up of work done earlier, which is referred to in the first link. It's a relatively typical example coming from the scientific world that show their conclusions as well as their methodology and limitations. The potential issue with the forest fires and related damage is that we may have reached a point where non-linear changes may occur. Haven't you appreciated how non-linear changes can occur when firms enter the distressed territory and how you sometimes wish that easier steps had been taken earlier? Isn't worth looking into? The third reference is to try to delineate how this issue is related to California and its 'peculiarities', both good and bad. The wildfire issue is also becoming manifest in our Home and native land.

 

https://www.city-journal.org/planned-electricity-blackouts-california

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2019EF001210

https://sites.ualberta.ca/~flanniga/publications/2004%20Gillett%20et%20al.%20Geophys%20Res%20Letters%20-%20Detecting%20the%20effect.pdf

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