cubsfan Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 CNN, the Fake News Network - being revealed for what it is: https://www.foxnews.com/media/project-veritass-alleged-cnn-whistleblower-says-network-is-pumping-out-propaganda Undercover recordings made by an alleged 'whistleblower' capture CNN employees casually confirming the network's anti-Trump bias and show company president Jeff Zucker telling top news executives to focus solely on impeachment even at the expense of other important news Poarch allegedly recorded “several” of Zucker’s conference calls, in which he claims Zucker runs the daily meeting “with an iron fist” aimed directly at “hammering Trump” or “Republicans in general.” “Jeff Zucker, basically the president of CNN, has a personal vendetta against Trump… it’s not gonna be positive for Trump. [Zucker] hates him. He’s going to be negative,” Neville said in the highly edited video. CNN...The Most Trusted Name in News.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 What are the odds this makes the front page at CNN.com? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 I'll admit. I didn't really believe the whole fake news things before Trump was elected. I do now. CNN is garbage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubsfan Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 Yup - I didn't believe it for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Read the Footnotes Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 McCarthyism[ muh-kahr-thee-iz-uh m ] 2. the practice of making unfair allegations or using unfair investigative techniques, especially in order to restrict dissent or political criticism. From: https://www.dictionary.com/browse/mccarthyism Joe Cohn was Donald Trump's personal lawyer and political mentor. Joe Cohn was McCarthy's lawyer and the driving force behind McCarthyism. McCarthyism was his personal style and he taught that style to Trump and to the Mob when he became the top mob lawyer. When they are guilty of something, Cohn, the Mob and Trump all just started accusing people of crazy things. It worked for a while for McCarthyism, Joe Cohn and the Mob. Eventually it stopped working. It's still working for Trump, for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobafdek Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 CNN, the Fake News Network - being revealed for what it is: https://www.foxnews.com/media/project-veritass-alleged-cnn-whistleblower-says-network-is-pumping-out-propaganda Undercover recordings made by an alleged 'whistleblower' capture CNN employees casually confirming the network's anti-Trump bias and show company president Jeff Zucker telling top news executives to focus solely on impeachment even at the expense of other important news Poarch allegedly recorded “several” of Zucker’s conference calls, in which he claims Zucker runs the daily meeting “with an iron fist” aimed directly at “hammering Trump” or “Republicans in general.” “Jeff Zucker, basically the president of CNN, has a personal vendetta against Trump… it’s not gonna be positive for Trump. [Zucker] hates him. He’s going to be negative,” Neville said in the highly edited video. CNN...The Most Trusted Name in News.... The situation may be worse than what's reported from FoxNews. https://taibbi.substack.com/p/were-in-a-permanent-coup "The agencies’ new trick is inserting themselves into domestic politics using leaks and media pressure. The 'intel chiefs' meeting was just the first in a series of similar stories, many following the pattern in which a document was created, passed from department from department, and leaked." Both Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi are anti-Trumpers, so this ought to have more credibility than if coming from FoxNews. Zucker may just be a witting, or unwitting, tool of the anti-Trumpers within the intelligence establishment. The right-wing crazies who have been crying about the Deep State from Day One may be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Ive been pointing this out to our friend lefties for a while now. Its an easy thing to abuse. They, especially CNN, overload reporting and telling stories about what they want the narrative to be on a daily basis. They then deliberately ignore/bury major stories that dont fit the narrative, or if unavoidable, completely brush it off or spin it. Its very dangerous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 Yeah, I wonder if all news should be nonprofit. There would be no ratings or anything. Perhaps the government could fund it. Like, there are 5 stations or something. All get the same funding, every year, no matter the power in party. Not sure if it would work though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubsfan Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 I think most of us would like to believe there is no "Fake News" and we can trust our institutions - but as Cobafdek hints, things are changing. You smart analysts, that don't trust CEO's - might well apply the same skepticism to our trusted institutions. Kimberly Strassel, of the WSJ, has a worthwhile take of what is playing out right before out eyes: https://www.foxnews.com/media/kimberley-strassel-claims-anti-trumper-resistance-is-doing-institutional-damage-to-the-country Worth the listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Read the Footnotes Posted October 14, 2019 Share Posted October 14, 2019 I actually try to go straight to the original sources on most all of this political stuff. If I can watch an unedited video or read the transcript or read the court filing that is what I do. When I research companies, I go direct to the 10-k's. I go direct to other source material, such as free governmental data. Why do you think I chose "Read the Footnotes"? It's because I read the 10-k's, I read the filings and I read the FOOTNOTES. If I wouldn't trust someone else to tell me how to think about a company, why would I trust someone else to tell me how to think about the news? From my comparison of the original documents to what Trump says, and what Fox News says, I don't think that it is the mainstream media that has lost it's way. It's also important to differentiate between the Fox of the past and Fox of the future. I suspect Fox may get much more disconnected from reality in the future. It's also important to know that Fox news reporters in the past have shown a higher standard for actual journalism than the opinion portions of Fox or the talk shows etc. When it comes to the straight up news reporting, in the past Fox has mainly shown bias in what stories get covered or how frequently they are covered. In the past they did not flat out make stuff up or repeat obvious fiction. On the other hand Trump intentionally lies and there are many people who are willing to repeat those lies knowingly or unknowingly. Trump admits he lies. For example, go read Art of the Deal, if you haven't. He lies constantly and doesn't think there is anything wrong with it. He considered it a business tactic and now I'm sure he considers it a political tactic, just like Roy Cohn and Nixon did. Nixon considered the press the enemy also, by the way. It's easy to find quotes of Nixon saying the press is the enemy. You know why Nixon hated the press? Because Nixon was guilty and he was lying. It's like I'm telling people they are invested in a fraud and to read the 10-k and they won't. If someone told you MetroBank has serious problems read the 10-k and would you really say you don't understand, they have great leadership and put it out of your mind? Or if I said Bernie Madoff is a crook, would you say "but he's our crook and he's stealing for us not from us." If I said Valeant is a bubble, read the 10-k, would you think Joe Papa is a genius and Valeant is a flywheel? If someone is telling you you're investing in a fraud and you ignore them, you have no one to blame but yourself and hopefully no investors and no one to harm but yourself. At this point, if you're repeating lies the lies of Trump, you're harming your country and not doing your civic duty. The members of this board should question how they can claim to apply rigorous methods in one part of their life and then just be lazy when it comes to consuming news. If that's all you are willing to do, then maybe you shouldn't participate in public discourse, our you should disclose that you're just a dabbler and that you have made no effort to be unbiased and to access the best information sources, during this pivotal time. Buffett and Munger have made many comments to the effect of if you don't sweat the small stuff eventually you won't sweat the big stuff. Read the 10-k's! Right now some of you are listening to Fairfield Greenwich Group's investment pitch and you don't even realize it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubsfan Posted October 14, 2019 Author Share Posted October 14, 2019 Say what you like. Do all the research you want. It's your thing and works for you. Not for everyone. Call it intuition, reading people, whatever -- It's easy to see that Adam Schiff is a chronic liar and scumbag. Same for Don Lemon, Chris Cuomo, Maxine Waters, Jerry Nadler etc, etc. It's obvious that nothing Nancy Pelosi says makes sense anymore. I don't need a lot of research to tell me the Democrats have lost their mind or "The Squad" is a racist, horrible, disgusting group - or that CNN is crooked as hell. It's just not that tough to see - and when NO ONE can say they were WRONG, WRONG, WRONG about so much the last few years --- well, then it is EASY to know they have an agenda - and I can't trust them. Especially, when they do it time after time after time. You can make it as complicated as you like - I don't need too. You don't want to believe there is "Fake News" - good for you - for me, it doesn't pass the smell test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 Here's a question: define what "Fake News" is. Is it bias of what stories to air? Or is it the reporting of blatant false events? CNN does not air certain stories, Fox News does not air certain stories. In both cases the choice of which story to air is decided based on viewership (after all we're a capitalist society, right?), so their bias reflects the bias of the underlying viewership. If you want a more centrist source then go find the news outlets which rank more centrally, or you can do as RTF smartly recommends and go straight to source material. But until you show evidence of the reporting of fraudulent events, you're just repeating a Donald Trump talking point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubsfan Posted October 15, 2019 Author Share Posted October 15, 2019 Hey LC - don't believe your own eyes and ears ? - - No problem I'm more than happy to agree with Trump on this "talking point", as it's totally obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Read the Footnotes Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 If you're truly curious, and interested in being intellectually honest about this question of how reliable news sources are, I suggest the following exercise, which I have done many times. When you find out about a news event, go to a primary source first. Meaning, go read the court documents yourself, or watch the testimony live. Immerse yourself in the primary materials and form your own opinion, then and only then see what Trump says or CNN or Fox or others. It's possible you are already so biased that you will have difficulty assessing the accuracy of your own impressions, if so try to counteract that, or try to use multiple tests and try to use test cases that are unlikely to engage you emotionally. The less emotional you are, the more likely you can be rational in your analysis. I have been engaging in this test for longer than I care to admit. I stumbled upon it through work years ago when I had access to many wire services, satellite news feeds, and all major news publications at work. It was easy to spend time comparing the way the news was reported while getting paid to do it. What was shocking at that time was how little difference there was between any major outlet. There was a business reason for that. Major media outlets need the biggest, broadest audience possible so they intentionally tried to never offend any advertiser or reader. One way to do that was to develop journalistic standards. So oddly, high journalistic standards developed from a business need, there are no governmental regulations on journalistic standards. The problem is that now you can narrow cast to a limited market and instead of trying not to offend, you can actually seek to anger your audience to increase engagement. This is Fox's strategy much more than any of the other networks. Narrow casting is much more of a problem in digital media though. If a network or media source is trying to get you outraged, or keep you outraged, then you're probably being manipulated, whether it's on the right or on the left. It's probably also a sign that you are watching opinion, not news. Many people increasingly seem to have trouble understanding when the news stops and the opinions start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuleNumberOne Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-bidens-concede-11571078740 Left-wing media covering up corruption. "In a Saturday op-ed entitled, “He who must not be named,” George Washington University law professor Jonathan Turley noted a widespread "media urge to simply suppress the story: Hunter Biden: The mere mention of his name seemingly triggers the vapors among cable TV hosts and their guests. When President Trump turned to the Bidens and Ukraine in a speech, MSNBC host Nicolle Wallace cut off the coverage, declaring she had to protect the listeners: “We hate to do this, really, but the president isn’t telling the truth.” When Sen. John Kennedy (R-La.) tried to answer a question about the Ukraine scandal by referencing the Bidens, “Meet the Press” host Chuck Todd angrily told him not to “gaslight” the nation. ...What is most remarkable about the paucity of coverage of Hunter Biden’s dealings is the conclusory mantra that “this has all been investigated.” ...When Rep. Lee Zeldin (R-N.Y.) raised the issue on CNN, host Erin Burnett cut him off: “There is no evidence of Joe Biden doing anything wrong, and this is something that has been looked into, and I think — I want to make a point here — I think what we need to talk about right now is what did the president right now do or not do.” Other CNN hosts have repeated the line of “no evidence of wrongdoing” like a virtual incantation. Instead of a near-religious repetition of a Biden defense, perhaps staff at CNN and NBC could try to get an answer to a simple question: What did Hunter Biden’s overseas associates think they were paying for?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuleNumberOne Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 If you wanted to know what kind of people manage news organizations... https://www.mercurynews.com/2019/10/09/matt-lauer-just-did-it-new-book-alleges-rape-of-nbc-colleague-after-she-says-she-resisted/ https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-president-phil-griffin-maria-menounos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Read the Footnotes Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 I'll admit. I didn't really believe the whole fake news things before Trump was elected. I do now. CNN is garbage. Paul, I'm interested in what changed your mind. Can you say more about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Read the Footnotes Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 It's interesting that all links or attempts at providing evidence to support the fake news theory have in fact been . . . opinion pieces. I will say it again, part of the problem is a lack of understanding of how the media works, how journalism works and what the difference between news and opinion is. Plus if you're not aware of the fact that most all of the opinion pieces are written by someone connected to the campaign, you are really missing how the game is played. If you're reading the a piece and it's in writing it's a right up there at the top by the byline that it will say whether it's an opinion piece or not. From what I have seen, all of the articles written by major news organizations in their factual, news reporting sections actually say that fake news is a strategy employed by Trump to discredit news organizations when they say something about him that he doesn't like. Can someone produce an article, from a major reputable organization that is NOT an opinion piece which proves that there is a vast left wing conspiracy perpetrated by news organizations against trump? Using Occam's Razor (https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor) it sure is a simpler explanation to say that Trump is lying, like he always lies, and he is now lying because his life depends upon it. Republicans in the Senate for the most part have gone along with it to this point because they are motivated to keep their seats. Trump is increasing his stranglehold on a daily basis. That seems very simple and elegant to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stahleyp Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 As far as things that changed my mind, here are a few reasons. They are anti-Trump all day, ever day. At least it seems that way. Seriously, the guy has a ton of issues, but, to quote Munger "he's not wrong about everything." But, they also lack serious integrity: https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/01/01/marriage-proposal-nye-lemon-baldwin.cnn What a wonderful moment! Wait a minute...that was fake! https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-couple-stages-fake-wedding-proposal-mock-cnn-ryan-saavedra Or what about how they jumped on the kid from Covington Catholic...for standing there. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/covington-catholic-student-files-275m-defamation-suit-against-cnn-n983041 This is from Vox (of all places!): https://www.vox.com/videos/2017/4/17/15325172/strikethrough-cnn-espn-trump-surrogates Or how about Donna Brazille (from cnn fame) who fed Clinton questions before a debate? Not cnn but certainly lack intergrity (but kind of funny): https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/state/north-carolina/article218461770.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsad Posted October 15, 2019 Share Posted October 15, 2019 You guys will have to embrace Fake News soon, as Fox News may go the way of the Dodo bird! But I'm sure after Trump's impeachment, if the Dems don't screw the pooch, the first thing the Trump's will do is start their own broadcasting station of extreme right-wing 24 hour news, with Trump University commercials in between old episodes of the Apprentice and their own version of Living With The Trump's (Kardashians), Eric's own game show "Sieg Heil!" and Don Jr's talk show "Lock Her Up!" Not to mention the EEFL...Eastern European Football League. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Read the Footnotes Posted October 16, 2019 Share Posted October 16, 2019 Dear Paul, thank you for taking the time to describe your experience. I almost never watch television and I don't have CNN at home, so about the only time I see broadcast CNN is when I'm traveling. I'd never bother to stream CNN, and if I check CNN.com I cautiously stay in the upper left portion of the webpage so that I avoid all the opinion, human interest stories, entertainment, etc. I am unlikely to see what you see and I appreciate you explaining more. I'll add some comments below. As far as things that changed my mind, here are a few reasons. They are anti-Trump all day, ever day. At least it seems that way. Seriously, the guy has a ton of issues, but, to quote Munger "he's not wrong about everything." I agree. I wouldn't know if that's true, but if it is it's a shame. Anyone who can't admit that some of Trumps positions are better than some of his challengers probably also can't admit that even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Of course, Fox News and associated channels seem to be all Trump all the time, so they are no better. But, they also lack serious integrity: https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2018/01/01/marriage-proposal-nye-lemon-baldwin.cnn What a wonderful moment! Wait a minute...that was fake! https://www.dailywire.com/news/watch-couple-stages-fake-wedding-proposal-mock-cnn-ryan-saavedra Again, I think you need to separate opinion and entertainment from the news portion. None of your clips show CNN getting something wrong in the hard news area. The people who do these human interest stories are generally not journalists, a lot of them are clowns and are easily duped. In the UK and Europe they have the term "presenter" which I like because most of the people you see sitting at a desk are not journalists, they are presenters. See more on easily duped presenters below. Or what about how they jumped on the kid from Covington Catholic...for standing there. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/covington-catholic-student-files-275m-defamation-suit-against-cnn-n983041 This is from Vox (of all places!): https://www.vox.com/videos/2017/4/17/15325172/strikethrough-cnn-espn-trump-surrogates Or how about Donna Brazille (from cnn fame) who fed Clinton questions before a debate? The Covington situation was an abomination. The message that everything motivation and behavior can be blamed on a racist subtext is an absolute pox on society. The left has made themselves look very bad on this front, but the left does not have a monopoly on damaging biases and tribalism. Plus Fox has also suffered from a lot of mistakes, and is currently repeating tons of lies from Trump. One thing that seems to be different in the left and the right at the moment is that the left is much more likely to admit they made a mistake. Most of the fake news right now is probably just people knowingly or unknowingly repeating Trump lies. If you want to read of two situations that are absolutely appalling where the left keeps doubling down on their foolishness, check out the issues at Evergreen State College, and Oberlin College. The lefty President of Oberlin College is going to go down with the ship. She's playing some kind of crazy game. She seems to be following the same game plan as Trump and Oberlin and everyone around her are going to pay for her hubris and their mass delusion in response to the law. Here's a link to the Oberlin case. You can find lot's of primary source material through the following website. If you read it, you'll be horrified at the needless stupidity. It would be a great case of trying to reverse engineer the biases at work. I think commitment and consistency bias is probably the greatest. To paraphrase Charlie Munger, they are pounding in their own stupidity. https://legalinsurrection.com/?s=oberlin&image.x=0&image.y=0 Not cnn but certainly lack intergrity (but kind of funny): https://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/state/north-carolina/article218461770.html As I said above, the these puff piece presenters are not journalists, have no rigor and are easily fooled. Smaller stations are also more likely to have lightweights working for them. The pranks happen a lot to local stations that are on the right, so the left has no monopoly on stupidity in this area. Below you will find some hilarious pranks pulled on local morning shows, which are a real low point for people confusing puff pieces and presenters with actual journalism. Not that it is a conservative network, Gray Television, that is suing two of the pranksters. fake inept foodie: fake strongman duo: fake inept yo-yo artist: The solution to all this is to just move toward print journalism, and maybe PBS NewsHour if you really want TV. NPR and PRI also high quality, but a conservative can only listen to a half an hour of real news per hour before something you would likely find intolerable comes on. You were asking for non-profit and government supported so there are three options for you. Finally AP News is considered about the top in journalistic quality. They are a non-profit that provides content to thousands of stations and outlets. Their business model requires them to not offend anyone at any of their thousands of customers stations, so they stick very closely to the facts. https://apnews.com and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_Press Many people who emulate Buffett and Munger read the New York Times, Wall Street Journal, Financial Times and a local paper everyday. I would suggest adding The Economist to that list. Just be sure to know where the opinion sections are located and tread carefully if you chose to read them. If you read that many much everyday, most people won't have any more interest in additional news. By the way, people can read at up to 10x the normal speaking rate, so if you are reading high quality sources in print, you likely can consume much more information than you can from video, radio, podcasts, or online reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubsfan Posted October 16, 2019 Author Share Posted October 16, 2019 Some of you might enjoy this video. I found it very helpful in understanding the origins of "Fake News". It's quite funny and Andrew Breitbart is a real character. I knew nothing about Andrew Breitbart, other than negative comments from the media - but I must admit, I had never actually heard him speak - so I had a very negative impression. But Andrew was a flaming liberal turned conservative, as evidenced his important role in developing the Huffington Post, before he finally ended up founding Breitbart News. Breitbart pissed off much of the mainstream media and Democrats by uncovering the ACORN Scandal and breaking the Anthony Weiner sexting scandal while Weiner worked at MSNBC. Breitbart exposed much of the nefarious activities of SEIU in the attempts to have Wisconsin governor Scott Walker recalled in 2011, while the mainstream media stayed silent. Anyway - this talk is about 25 minutes, starts at minute 4 - I found it very entertaining. His thesis is around the "Democratic-Media Complex" - which I'd say is now formally labeled as "Fake News". It chronicles some of the rise of "alternative" news sources and "citizen journalists" that have arisen to fight mainstream media. His talk is quite prescient, done in 2011, Andrew died in 2012 - and now the country takes "Fake News" for granted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubsfan Posted October 17, 2019 Author Share Posted October 17, 2019 CNN - the Fake News Network, at it again. https://amgreatness.com/2019/10/17/cnn-staffer-our-obsessive-anti-trump-coverage-wont-stop-until-trump-dies/ New video released by Project Veritas Thursday shows CNN employees admitting on tape that the network peddles “a bunch of bullsh-t” and that it will not stop hammering the president “until he dies—hopefully soon.” CNN’s Manager of Field Operations Patrick Davis has been with the network for 25 years and has seen first-hand how its journalistic standards have slid. “…I hate seeing what we were and what we could be and what we’ve become. It’s just awful…I mean, we could be so much better than what we are…And the buck stops with him (Zucker),” he said. Said Mike Brevna, Floor Manager at CNN: “It’s the Trump Network, dog. It’s like everything is all Trump…they not even thinking about anybody else. They sold themselves to the devil.” Gerald Sisnette, Field Production Supervisor at CNN “This is a story that’s not gonna go away,” Sisnette said. “Oh, the Ukraine thing, or Trump in general?” asked the undercover journalist. “Trump in general,” Sisnette replied. “The only way this will go away is when he (Trump) dies. Hopefully soon.” But hey....there is no such thing as "Fake News" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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