The Bitter Hostility of the Left

[cubsfan]

Today, we hit a new low for the Left - with Bill Maher's commentary of David Koch's death:

 

https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/bill-maher-david-koch

 

There is no decency anymore with these people. Imagine someone saying this about a dying Barrack Obama or Ruth Ginsburg.

 

The lack of condemnation and silence from the media is deafening.

[Guest Schwab711]

Fortunately they’re gone now. They’ve gone on to greener pastures, or perhaps far less green pastures, but they’re gone. They’re gone, very happy they’re gone...

 

Trump talking about John McCain

 

Decency is what a lot of folks have been complaining about, but you said it was TDS.

[cwericb]

“The Bitter Hostility of the Left” “There is no decency anymore with these people.”

 

Really now, isn’t it sort of “holier than thou” to criticise the “Left” because some COMEDIAN made insulting remarks about the passing of certain billionaire, Republican supporter when the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES cannot stop taking cheap shots at a recently deceased true American war hero?

 

You use very strong words to describe some comedian's remarks about a deceased political contributor and blame the "Left" as a whole for his remarks. Bill Mahar really only represents Bill Mahar.

 

But the President of the United States represents the people of United States. What about the President's ongoing slanderous attacks on John McCain?  Shouldn't he and the people he represents receive much stronger criticism for those ongoing remarks?

 

 

[cubsfan]

Even with the two of you - with whom I've had so many disagreements on principles - I'd never CELEBRATE your painful death from cancer.

 

It's a new low for the Left - and shows an utter lack of humanity and decency. Of course, it was not made by just "some comedian", but

a very public figure of the Left.

 

That the Left has NOT condemn it makes me wonder, why they do not distance themselves from this, much as I would the KKK or White Supremacy.

 

Surely the Left must have some decency?

 

To me it just shows the bitter, bitter hostility of never getting over the blown Presidential election. 

[cwericb]

You always tend to ignore the point.

 

1) Bill Mahar made rude remarks about a certain Republican billionaire. Once.

    Donald Trump attacks a true American hero. Repeatedly.

 

2) Mr. Mahar, As far as I know, has never been elected to represent anyone. Hence the title "Mister"

    President Trump was elected to represent the People of the United States. Hence the term "President"

 

3) Mahar’s statements are his own.

    Trump’s statements are the voice of the American people.

 

There is no justification to blame “the left” for Mahar’s statements.

 

But where is the outrage when Trump insults an American hero?

Where is the outrage over the endless insults Trump makes about anyone and everyone with whom he disagrees?

 

You seem to have a very selective sensitivity to outrageous remarks.

[cubsfan]

Obviously, you are not paying attention.

 

Trump was roundly and repeatedly condemned for his comments about John McCain by Republicans and Republican leaders - which I completely agreed with, since I admire both McCain and Trump.

 

Trump is CONSTANTLY condemned for his comments- 24 hours a day - and you know it. Don't be so disingenuous.

 

Bill Maher's comments are done with a sense of "it's ok to say ANYTHING against a conservative we hate, because we occupy the MORAL high ground".

But his specific comments are a new level of hate, even for the LEFT.

 

Maher's comments are reprehensible and you know it. The Silence from the Media and the Left tells American's all they need to know about their

total lack of humanity.

 

You seem almost proud to be associated with such trash.

 

[Guest Schwab711]

http://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/politics/time-for-impeachment/msg372337/#msg372337

 

I agree Trumps fight with McCain was a waste of time, but John came after Trump hard - and Trump nuked him.

He will always be a war hero in my book, but McCain let the personal stuff stop him from doing his job.

It's a sideshow that Trump should have avoided.

 

Stuff like that is not too important to me

 

http://www.cornerofberkshireandfairfax.ca/forum/politics/the-fallen-patriot!/msg365445/#msg365445

 

The term “hero” is often misused today. The guy who successfully lands his plane on the water is not a hero, he is a damned good pilot. The hero is someone who takes great risks to save others.

 

In July 1967 when the USS Forrestal’s flight deck burst into flame and with aircraft and bombs exploding killing over 100, McCain risked his life to rescue a fellow pilot and was wounded by bomb fragments for his efforts.

 

A few months later he was shot down over Hanoi. With a fractured leg and tow fractured arms he then had his shoulder crushed with a rifle butt and was bayoneted while being taken prisoner.

 

After a year of gruesome torture and imprisonment that nearly killed him, he was offered release when the enemy discovered his father was Admiral McCain. However refused to accept preferential treatment unless his fellow prisoners were released with him.

 

      He endured two years of solitary confinement and regular beatings the five and a half years he remained a prisoner. He was released in 1975.

 

Trump had five deferments, and took every advantage of his father’s wealth. Yet this gutless wonder has the audacity to attack McCain who has been dead for seven months.

 

Trump lied about McCain’s academic standing and at the same time he has own lawyers threaten lawsuits against any of his alma maters who release any of his own school  marks.

 

That's a great post - McCain is definitely a hero - and Trump should have never gone there. The guy definitely makes mistakes.

 

What happened in June that made you say John deserved it? Did Bill Maher make a mistake? Why did you say this type of stuff wasn't important, but now it is? You seem to flip-flop a lot.

[cubsfan]

Obviously Schwab - you can't read - I said Trump should have not gone there and I meant it.

 

McCain egged him on, and Trump went nuclear on him, which was very unfortunate and roundly condemned.

 

McCain is and always will be a war hero in my book. End of story.

 

 

But true to form Schwab - you love to split hairs and parse words to your benefit. It didn't work for your imaginary

Russian Hoax and it won't here.

[Guest Schwab711]

You keep mentioning Trump was roundly condemned. I'm not talking about what anyone else has done. I'm asking you about your words. I'm not parsing, I left links to the full quotes, in context (if I was parsing, I would have conveniently omitted the March 2019 post).

 

You made an excuse for Trump later after previously fully agreeing with cwericb. What changed?

You said Trump made a mistake. Did Bill Maher make a mistake? Why or why not?

You said this stuff wasn't important to you, but now it appears as if Bill Maher's comments are important to you. What changed?

[JSArbitrage]

As a member of the American "Left" let me tell you: we're just getting started.  The Open Hostility of the Right has run rampant and unopposed for 50 years in the US.  We're taking off the gloves now.

 

This isn't going to be like the 1960's where you guys commanded German Shephards to bite the faces of African-Americans trying to vote and could claim to have integrity.  This isn't going to like the 1980's where you guys knew AIDS was killing homosexuals en masse and could go to dinner without interruption.  This isn't going to be like the 1990's where you could go on TV and claim Bill Clinton had Vince Foster murdered and you weren't laughed off the screen.  And we're not going to let the Right strip babies/toddlers from their parents, cage them at the border and deny them basic care without being labeled a POS.  We're not going to let Trump's DOJ argue in court that it's OK to fire someone for being gay (which they are doing in federal court right now) without being called a miserable maggot of a person.

 

This is your final hurrah.  Trump isn't going to be able to ask for the help of an enemy country to throw the election for him this time around (which Mueller found to be true; Mueller just said they were too dumb to know it's illegal.)  Any kid that is graduating high-school right now that makes fun of minorities or people of a different religion or homosexuals or doesn't give a shit about having a clean planet or believe taking advantage of drunk girls is just "boys being boys" is a laughing stock of the school.  That's why the incels have retreated into the shadows of the internet. 

 

Buckle up buddy.  Trump isn't going to be remembered as JFK 2.0; he's going to be remembered as Jefferson Davis 2.0.

[cwericb]

“Trump is CONSTANTLY condemned for his comments- 24 hours a day - and you know it. Don't be so disingenuous.”

 

Yes he certainly is .... by the left and center.

“What changed?”

 

What’s changed is that Mahar is left wing so he is guilty of “Bitter Hostility”and has “no decency".

 

Trump on the other hand is right wing so his remarks were in your own words....“unfortunate”.

 

Worse than that. You assert that it was all John McCain’s own fault because “McCain egged him on”.

 

And you think I am disingenuous?

 

 

[cubsfan]

You ladies are so great at word-smithing and telling me what I meant.

 

I condemned Trump for his McCain fight - sorry you can't seem to accept that.

Trump made a BIG mistake on the McCain issue - no excuses - you happy now Schwab?

 

Too bad you can't do the same for you hero Bill Maher the reprehensible POS.

Like I said - tell me what would happen had someone said what Maher said about Ginsburg or Obama?

 

You remind me of 2 teenage girls fighting about "Cubsfan said this, he really meant that"

 

But it's good to have you back in the game brother Schwab.

[cubsfan]

As a member of the American "Left" let me tell you: we're just getting started.  The Open Hostility of the Right has run rampant and unopposed for 50 years in the US.  We're taking off the gloves now.

 

 

Quite the rant - good luck buddy boy.  The Left is destroying the Democratic Party. Too bad for the Democrats, since it will likely cost them

the 2020 election.  Better get your act together and impeach Trump while you can. But come up with something new this time around.

 

Let's see - He and the Russians stole the election ? Nope that didn't fly.  He's certified crazy?  That didn't fly.  He didn't give us his tax returns?

Nope that didn't work?  He's a racist and a bigot? Not working.

 

Be interesting to see what the Left comes up with this round..... that fat POS Nadler and Liars Schiff/Swalwell keep coming up with goose eggs.

 

Here's a winner for you:    Try coming up with a candidate/agenda that makes some sense this time....... Green New Deal anyone?

 

 

[LC]

Yeah, pretty tasteless comments from Maher. Maybe he's just following Trump's example?

 

But then again, you incorrectly believe Bill Maher represents the LEFT. So we all make errors.

[Gregmal]

Yeah, pretty tasteless comments from Maher. Maybe he's just following Trump's example?

 

But then again, you incorrectly believe Bill Maher represents the LEFT. So we all make errors.

 

Yup, too moderate and not anti-Semitic enough to truly represent the left.

[cubsfan]

Yeah, pretty tasteless comments from Maher. Maybe he's just following Trump's example?

 

But then again, you incorrectly believe Bill Maher represents the LEFT. So we all make errors.

 

Yup, too moderate and not anti-Semitic enough to truly represent the left.

 

Oh my god, LMAO !

[cubsfan]

Yeah, pretty tasteless comments from Maher. Maybe he's just following Trump's example?

 

 

I gotta say LC - there is hope for you!

[cubsfan]

Congratulations to Bernie Sanders (and LC and Parsad) for showing the Left how to act like an adult with some class:

 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/08/25/bernie-sanders-scolds-crowd-david-koch-death-sot-nr-vpx.cnn

 

I guess I'll have to eat my words......but, still not a peep from the Media....

[cwericb]

 

 

 

“You ladies are so great at word-smithing and telling me what I meant.”

 

Not at all. Your words speak for themselves. But when we quote your words back to you, you then try to pretend they mean something else.

 

“I condemned Trump for his McCain fight - sorry you can't seem to accept that.

Trump made a BIG mistake on the McCain issue - no excuses - you happy now Schwab?”

 

In my earlier post I tried to itemize things for you but that seemed to go over your head.

 

You still either miss the point or intentionally ignore the point. This happens every time someone makes a statement that you can’t refute, so you try to avoid it. So here’s the points in black and white.

 

A) You use completely different language to “condemn” Trump for his words than you do for Mahar. You describe Mahar’s remarks as “Bitter Hostility”,  “no decency" and “reprehensible”. But Trump’s words are “unfortunate”. “Unfortunate”? Seriously, do you not see a difference here???

 

B) Then you also don’t seem to differentiate between the victims of the remarks or the status of the person making the remarks:

  1) One person making the remarks is a comedian and the other guy is the President of the United States. Do you not understand the difference.

  2) One victim is a billionaire Republican contributor, the other guy is a bonafide American hero.

 

So how about you address the points for a change rather than resort to some childish remarks.

 

[cubsfan]

Listen to you Cwericb - blah, blah, blah.

 

I told you what I thought of the Trump/McCain fiasco. End of story.

 

Tell me how much you love Bill Maher and what he said about the death of David Koch?

 

I guess you must approve!

 

I find it appalling - but even more so given the lack of outrage from your lefty heroes and fake news organizations.

[cwericb]

Yup, there you go again. Avoid all the valid points and come up with a childish reply.

 

As someone once put it ..."Arguing with you is like playing chess with a pidgeon. It'll just knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, and strut about like it's won anyway."

 

[Parsad]

Listen to you Cwericb - blah, blah, blah.

 

I told you what I thought of the Trump/McCain fiasco. End of story.

 

Tell me how much you love Bill Maher and what he said about the death of David Koch?

 

I guess you must approve!

 

I find it appalling - but even more so given the lack of outrage from your lefty heroes and fake news organizations.

 

Maher is a doofus...and not that funny either!  He probably hung around Trump in the old days as much as anyone, and probably Epstein too!

 

Yeah, he deserves scorn for saying such things.  But remember when Dunning said that RBG would be dead in six months?  Or Trump's feud with a dying McCain?  A comedian saying something is bad, but when Senators/Congressmen/President say it...maybe your outcry should be just as scornful and maybe stop supporting them.  Cheers!

 

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2019/07/jim-bunning-ruth-bader-ginsburg-very-much-alive

[cubsfan]

Yup, there you go again. Avoid all the valid points and come up with a childish reply.

 

As someone once put it ..."Arguing with you is like playing chess with a pidgeon. It'll just knock over all the pieces, shit on the board, and strut about like it's won anyway."

 

Talk about childish - keep sticking up for the indefensible instead of condemning it - makes you look like a total fool.

[JSArbitrage]

Why are you guys even arguing with cubs in good faith?  The Right hasn't been civil since most of us have been alive.  What they are doing to McCain is no different than what they did to Kerry.  This is intentional.  In fact, the author of the book that attempted to "Swiftboat" Kerry on his war record during the Presidential election was Jerome Corsi.  Jerome Corsi is actually a witness to the Roger Stone indictment for acting as a cutout for Wikileaks (an organization proven to be a front for Russian Intelligence) in the hacked/stolen Hilary/Podesta emails.  The Right has always lied, stolen, cheated and attacked individuals in bad faith to advance their cause.  McCain was indeed a war hero.  John Kerry was indeed a war hero.

 

This is a person defending Trump whose presidential campaign: (a) asked for the help of a enemy state (fact established by Mueller), (b) received help from an enemy state (fact established by Mueller) © purposefully disseminated stolen information to have the largest effect on his opponent, the former Secretary of State (fact established by Mueller), (d) has since lied about Russia's involvement in the federal crime (fact established by US intelligence agencies and the FBI), and (e) blocked efforts to protect the US from this happening again (fact established by McConnell). 

 

You guys think he is going to come onto the internet and make good faith arguments?  Wouldn't waste my time if I were you.  In any thread.  Ever.

[cubsfan]

Listen to you Cwericb - blah, blah, blah.

 

I told you what I thought of the Trump/McCain fiasco. End of story.

 

Tell me how much you love Bill Maher and what he said about the death of David Koch?

 

I guess you must approve!

 

I find it appalling - but even more so given the lack of outrage from your lefty heroes and fake news organizations.

 

Maher is a doofus...and not that funny either!  He probably hung around Trump in the old days as much as anyone, and probably Epstein too!

 

Yeah, he deserves scorn for saying such things.  But remember when Dunning said that RBG would be dead in six months?  Or Trump's feud with a dying McCain?  A comedian saying something is bad, but when Senators/Congressmen/President say it...maybe your outcry should be just as scornful and maybe stop supporting them.  Cheers!

 

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2019/07/jim-bunning-ruth-bader-ginsburg-very-much-alive

 

You got a good point Parsad - but it's a world of alternatives, which the Dems are blowing big time.

 

Trump is far from perfect - but look at the looney alternatives: Socialism and the party leaders running to the left as fast as they can.

 

If they wanted to remake the Democratic Party - these guys are so radical it's scary. I think they're in big trouble unless they reverse direction.

 

Like I said: Green New Deal anyone?  I think not, I'll stick with Make America Great - so far, so good.