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Will likely add tarrifs on European cars and French wine at 1:45 PM ET today.

 

Well, maybe I should not call him a psycopath. Probably more a simple imbecile?

 

Are you raising cash to take advantage of bargains? Are they going to be bargains at all if the imbecile keeps ruining the global economy with tarrifs?

 

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Cardboard why do you say that? According to this, http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2015/january/tradoc_152998.1%20Trade%20in%20goods%20and%20customs%20tariffs.pdf

 

EU duty on imports of cars from the US is 10%

US duty on imports from the EU is only 2.5%

 

I'm not an expert in the field, but on face value I would have agreed if EU duties were 0 or substantially less than what the US charged. I would think implicit in your statement is that one should have free trade (no tariffs), but if I don't want to trade freely with you then I probably should not be upset if you match the tariffs I'm charging you, no? What am I missing?

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Because there should have been better ways to resolve these issues. So far all this does is slowing the global economy, creating issues for businesses on sourcing, raising costs for U.S. consumers and businesses among others. 

 

For a so called great negotiator I must say that Trump has failed miserably with his tarrifs. This was the very wrong way to go about this IMO and all we are seeing is downside.

 

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Because there should have been better ways to resolve these issues. So far all this does is slowing the global economy, creating issues for businesses on sourcing, raising costs for U.S. consumers and businesses among others. 

 

For a so called great negotiator I must say that Trump has failed miserably with his tarrifs. This was the very wrong way to go about this IMO and all we are seeing is downside.

 

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I hear you, but as a practical matter what do you do? In my mind it is as simple as matching tariffs or negotiate something, which essentially results in raising costs/tariffs indirectly. If I charge you 10% and you charge me 2.5% and I refuse to negotiate, what options do you have? As a first step it probably makes sense for you to raise your tariffs and at least force me to negotiate.

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US duties on trucks are 25%, that’s where all the money is made. There is almost no native US  “car” industry any more, all the US manufacturers make a living selling trucks. Europe offered already to lower all tariffs of US cars to zero, but Trump wouldn’t take it.

 

Spekulatius is this a result of recent negotiations?

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US duties on trucks are 25%, that’s where all the money is made. There is almost no native US  “car” industry any more, all the US manufacturers make a living selling trucks. Europe offered already to lower all tariffs of US cars to zero, but Trump wouldn’t take it.

 

Just adding some numbers to what you’re saying,

 

 

http://trade.ec.europa.eu/doclib/docs/2019/february/tradoc_157704.pdf

The EU-US automotive trade represents more than one-sixth of all trade in industrial goods. Some EU manufacturers have located in particular the production of pick-up trucks and sport utility vehicles (SUVs) in the US of which a large share is then exported to the EU or to China. The EU imported passenger cars and trucks worth almost EUR 7 billion from the US while the US imports of EU cars and trucks reached EUR 40 billion in 2017. This accounted for 14% and 29% of all EU passenger car imports and exports respectively. US exports of passenger cars to the EU face a tariff of 10% and EU exports to the US face tariffs of 2.5%. But exports of pick-ups and trucks popular in the US face a 25% import tariff. US producers face 10% to 22% in the other direction, depending on engine size. Average tariffs on core motor vehicle parts stand at 1.7% in the US to 4% in the EU.

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I can’t believe that the US consumer hasn’t yet clued in and realized that every time Trump imposes a tariff, the price of consumer goods goes up or corporate profits go down. Perhaps it is because the full effect hasn’t trickled down yet but won’t this eventually cause inflation? Do people not realize that this is a sneaky way of raising taxes?

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I can’t believe that the US consumer hasn’t yet clued in and realized that every time Trump imposes a tariff, the price of consumer goods goes up or corporate profits go down. Perhaps it is because the full effect hasn’t trickled down yet but won’t this eventually cause inflation? Do people not realize that this is a sneaky way of raising taxes?

 

Many of these people happily get fleeced buying(scratch that now, leasing) new iPhones every 18 months, buying $300 Jordans, and running balances on 25% interest credit cards...Many of them were the folks taking out 0-3% down mortgages on homes 15x their annual income back when they could do that to. It'll be a while til the chickens come home to roost here.

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Generally Tariffs are bad for economies. However I understand the utility of them in these situations. We haven't had a free market system and true free trade for a loooonggg time.

 

But here is the thing that gets me. The majority of the people complaining these tariffs are the same ones trying to vote people in office who want free healthcare, free college tuition, free marriage counseling, government paid moving expenses, reparations, free free free. So to complain about paying some increased prices for goods (which I haven't personally seen yet) but yet want to "tax em to Hell!" It's unbelievably hypocritical.

 

I'd much rather pay some increased costs due to tariffs for a temporary time frame IF it helps establish more free and fair global trade policies than pay increased taxes that inevitably wont be enough for the rest of my life.

 

Just my two cents.

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I can’t believe that the US consumer hasn’t yet clued in and realized that every time Trump imposes a tariff, the price of consumer goods goes up or corporate profits go down. Perhaps it is because the full effect hasn’t trickled down yet but won’t this eventually cause inflation? Do people not realize that this is a sneaky way of raising taxes?

 

Trump did not impose tariffs. The GOP did.

 

The NRA does not have elected officials. The GOP does.

 

It is foolish to blame recent massacres on the NRA or lobbyists.  It's the GOP.  These are GOP enabled massacres, just like these are GOP enabled tariffs. 

 

Call it for what it is.

 

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I can’t believe that the US consumer hasn’t yet clued in and realized that every time Trump imposes a tariff, the price of consumer goods goes up or corporate profits go down. Perhaps it is because the full effect hasn’t trickled down yet but won’t this eventually cause inflation? Do people not realize that this is a sneaky way of raising taxes?

 

Trump did not impose tariffs. The GOP did.

 

The NRA does not have elected officials. The GOP does.

 

It is foolish to blame recent massacres on the NRA or lobbyists.  It's the GOP.  These are GOP enabled massacres, just like these are GOP enabled tariffs. 

 

Call it for what it is.

They were both Democrats just saying (shootings have been generally evenly distributed with parties). And speaking specifically about Dayton it is unclear the intentions. So it's quite foolish to speculate. What we know (according to Washington Post) is there are no obvious tie to extremist groups. He also arrived with his sister and her boyfriend who were also victims (can't wrap my head around this).

 

I'm not an NRA member and I think they do utilize some "scare tactics" to gain members. But if you actually look at the cash they put up for lobbying they are a drop in the bucket compared to most other groups (big pharma).

 

How about we start discussing the real issue. Every single shooter has been on anti-depressants. Mass shootings have increased in correlation with gun laws. Stop putting band-aids on the issue and lets address the root. Even Neil Degrasse Tyson tweeted some common sense on the issue.

 

As someone who recently lived in Dayton and frequented that strip quite often it puts it in perspective. I had a friend who was down there that night (just down the street at the Dublin Pub) on a bachelor party (which I couldn't make). But this doesn't change my opinion on the cause of the issue. It's a mental health issue, a broken home issue. This is what happens when society begins to adopt a nihilistic view on life. These people sit in their dark corners of the internet and feed off each other.

 

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Back to the topic. What is a solution that doesn't involve tariffs to establish a more free trade global economy? I keep hearing consumers are getting fleeced but have prices actually gone up? The data doesn't seem to show any significant changed. Slight spike in March, but nothing spectacular.

 

https://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet

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Ah right, now "It's A Mental Health Issue"

Notice how that is never said about the brown guys...

https://i.redd.it/8x9aov7bbme31.jpg

https://i.redd.it/kp76osmmbme31.jpg

 

Of course, none of this could be inspired by Big Orange himself:

https://i.redd.it/vkl2ecz2ece31.jpg

https://i.redd.it/7v7l02i7yie31.jpg

 

And don't forget, rule #2 of tyranny is never let a good tragedy go to waste:

https://i.redd.it/v35583xcime31.png

 

But wait, we need to protect our gun rights!

https://i.redd.it/a45l7tzb8je31.jpg

https://i.redd.it/6q5p24uldme31.jpg

 

Finally, let's get back to the "mental health issue"

https://i.redd.it/4pb34tj38me31.jpg

 

And I didn't have a humorous illustration, but:

GOP: "It's a mental health issue!"

Everyone else: "Ok then can we get some healthcare reform?"

GOP: "Nope that's un-American!!"

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Ah right, now "It's A Mental Health Issue"

Notice how that is never said about the brown guys...

https://i.redd.it/8x9aov7bbme31.jpg

https://i.redd.it/kp76osmmbme31.jpg

 

Of course, none of this could be inspired by Big Orange himself:

https://i.redd.it/vkl2ecz2ece31.jpg

https://i.redd.it/7v7l02i7yie31.jpg

 

And don't forget, rule #2 of tyranny is never let a good tragedy go to waste:

https://i.redd.it/v35583xcime31.png

 

But wait, we need to protect our gun rights!

https://i.redd.it/a45l7tzb8je31.jpg

https://i.redd.it/6q5p24uldme31.jpg

 

Finally, let's get back to the "mental health issue"

https://i.redd.it/4pb34tj38me31.jpg

 

And I didn't have a humorous illustration, but:

GOP: "It's a mental health issue!"

Everyone else: "Ok then can we get some healthcare reform?"

GOP: "Nope that's un-American!!"

 

And like there's no mental issue in other countries or the only place on earth where people play video games is in America.

 

The only difference with other countries: guns. End of discussion.

 

And why are guns allowed like this these days? Corruption of the system. Money. The rest is nonsense arguments.

 

Same with health care.

 

 

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Ah right, now "It's A Mental Health Issue"

Notice how that is never said about the brown guys...

https://i.redd.it/8x9aov7bbme31.jpg

https://i.redd.it/kp76osmmbme31.jpg

 

Of course, none of this could be inspired by Big Orange himself:

https://i.redd.it/vkl2ecz2ece31.jpg

https://i.redd.it/7v7l02i7yie31.jpg

 

And don't forget, rule #2 of tyranny is never let a good tragedy go to waste:

https://i.redd.it/v35583xcime31.png

 

But wait, we need to protect our gun rights!

https://i.redd.it/a45l7tzb8je31.jpg

https://i.redd.it/6q5p24uldme31.jpg

 

Finally, let's get back to the "mental health issue"

https://i.redd.it/4pb34tj38me31.jpg

 

And I didn't have a humorous illustration, but:

GOP: "It's a mental health issue!"

Everyone else: "Ok then can we get some healthcare reform?"

GOP: "Nope that's un-American!!"

 

Memes are a great source of factual information.

 

So you think brown people are unfairly targeted by police. Yet you want to take guns from normal people (including minorities) and give the police a monopoly on violence? Makes sense...Even Ice T knows what the 2nd Amendment is for.

 

Ah right, now "It's A Mental Health Issue"

Notice how that is never said about the brown guys...

https://i.redd.it/8x9aov7bbme31.jpg

https://i.redd.it/kp76osmmbme31.jpg

 

Of course, none of this could be inspired by Big Orange himself:

https://i.redd.it/vkl2ecz2ece31.jpg

https://i.redd.it/7v7l02i7yie31.jpg

 

And don't forget, rule #2 of tyranny is never let a good tragedy go to waste:

https://i.redd.it/v35583xcime31.png

 

But wait, we need to protect our gun rights!

https://i.redd.it/a45l7tzb8je31.jpg

https://i.redd.it/6q5p24uldme31.jpg

 

Finally, let's get back to the "mental health issue"

https://i.redd.it/4pb34tj38me31.jpg

 

And I didn't have a humorous illustration, but:

GOP: "It's a mental health issue!"

Everyone else: "Ok then can we get some healthcare reform?"

GOP: "Nope that's un-American!!"

 

And like there's no mental issue in other countries or the only place on earth where people play video games is in America.

 

The only difference with other countries: guns. End of discussion.

 

And why are guns allowed like this these days? Corruption of the system. Money. The rest is nonsense arguments.

 

Same with health care.

 

Yes, ignore all other variables and make the argument about an inanimate object. How about quit making excuses for poor parenting and societies reliance on pharmaceuticals. What has changed since the 60's? It isn't guns. "End of Discussion."

 

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2018/02/27/of_27_deadliest_mass_shooters_26_of_them_were_fatherless_435596.html

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Oh I'm just listing a variety of logical inconsistencies which are conveniently ignored whenever a white guy goes on a shooting spree and other white guys rush to defend their own mental constructs.

 

Feel free to ponder (or ignore) these inequalities at your own convenience.

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Oh I'm just listing a variety of logical inconsistencies which are conveniently ignored whenever a white guy goes on a shooting spree and other white guys rush to defend their own mental constructs.

 

Feel free to ponder (or ignore) these inequalities at your own convenience.

I never brought up race...you did. But this just shows how you and every other liberal always wants to make it about race. You are ignoring many things as well.

 

Ban guns and then what? The shootings wont stop it's a guarantee. What happens when banning guns doesn't work? Will banning guns also stop the 250 suicides that happen a day?

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Oh C'mon I covered about 5 topics in one post...but like I said, ignore at  your convenience  ;D

 

But hey, it's a mental illness problem, right? Well before you commit to that position, don't let this 2017 bit of news get in the way:

 

Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221

 

Had the rule fully taken effect, the Obama administration predicted it would have added about 75,000 names to that database.

 

President Barack Obama recommended the now-nullified regulation in a 2013 memo following the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, which left 20 first graders and six others dead. The measure sought to block some people with severe mental health problems from buying guns.

 

 

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I can’t believe that the US consumer hasn’t yet clued in and realized that every time Trump imposes a tariff, the price of consumer goods goes up or corporate profits go down. Perhaps it is because the full effect hasn’t trickled down yet but won’t this eventually cause inflation? Do people not realize that this is a sneaky way of raising taxes?

 

Trump did not impose tariffs. The GOP did.

 

The NRA does not have elected officials. The GOP does.

 

It is foolish to blame recent massacres on the NRA or lobbyists.  It's the GOP.  These are GOP enabled massacres, just like these are GOP enabled tariffs. 

 

Call it for what it is.

They were both Democrats just saying (shootings have been generally evenly distributed with parties). And speaking specifically about Dayton it is unclear the intentions. So it's quite foolish to speculate. What we know (according to Washington Post) is there are no obvious tie to extremist groups. He also arrived with his sister and her boyfriend who were also victims (can't wrap my head around this).

 

I'm not an NRA member and I think they do utilize some "scare tactics" to gain members. But if you actually look at the cash they put up for lobbying they are a drop in the bucket compared to most other groups (big pharma).

 

How about we start discussing the real issue. Every single shooter has been on anti-depressants. Mass shootings have increased in correlation with gun laws. Stop putting band-aids on the issue and lets address the root. Even Neil Degrasse Tyson tweeted some common sense on the issue.

 

As someone who recently lived in Dayton and frequented that strip quite often it puts it in perspective. I had a friend who was down there that night (just down the street at the Dublin Pub) on a bachelor party (which I couldn't make). But this doesn't change my opinion on the cause of the issue. It's a mental health issue, a broken home issue. This is what happens when society begins to adopt a nihilistic view on life. These people sit in their dark corners of the internet and feed off each other.

 

__________________________________________

 

Back to the topic. What is a solution that doesn't involve tariffs to establish a more free trade global economy? I keep hearing consumers are getting fleeced but have prices actually gone up? The data doesn't seem to show any significant changed. Slight spike in March, but nothing spectacular.

 

https://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet

 

Where did you get the information that they were both Democrats?  Certainly not liberal if they had a racist/immigrant manifesto or target.  Cheers!

 

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-08-03/what-we-know-about-patrick-crusius-el-paso-rampage

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Oh C'mon I covered about 5 topics in one post...but like I said, ignore at  your convenience  ;D

 

But hey, it's a mental illness problem, right? Well before you commit to that position, don't let this 2017 bit of news get in the way:

 

Trump Signs Bill Revoking Obama-Era Gun Checks for People With Mental Illnesses

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-signs-bill-revoking-obama-era-gun-checks-people-mental-n727221

 

Had the rule fully taken effect, the Obama administration predicted it would have added about 75,000 names to that database.

 

President Barack Obama recommended the now-nullified regulation in a 2013 memo following the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, which left 20 first graders and six others dead. The measure sought to block some people with severe mental health problems from buying guns.

 

Did you see me applauding Trump? Do I ever defend Trump? Hardly ever. I'm not opposed to checks for mental illness etc. But the Obama bill was haphazardly thrown together. It was an opinion piece made into a law. If you want to do it, it needs to be done deliberately with scientific proof.

The law currently:

 

Under the NICS Improvement Amendments Act of 2007, a person who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution in a State proceeding is not prohibited by the adjudication or commitment if ATF E-Form 4473 (5300.9) Revised October 2016 the person has been granted relief by the adjudicating/committing State pursuant to a qualifying mental health relief from disabilities program. Also, a person who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution by a department or agency of Federal Government is not prohibited by the adjudication or commitment if either: (a) the person's adjudication or commitment was set-aside or expunged by the adjudicating/committing agency; (b) the person has been fully released or discharged from all mandatory treatment, supervision, or monitoring by the agency; © the person was found by the agency to no longer suffer from the mental health condition that served as the basis of the initial adjudication/ commitment; or (d) the adjudication or commitment, respectively, is based solely on a medical finding of disability, without an opportunity for a hearing by a court, board, commission, or other lawful authority, and the person has not been adjudicated as a mental defective consistent with section 922(g)(4) of title 18, United States Code; (e) the person was granted relief from the adjudicating/ committing agency pursuant to a qualified mental health relief from disabilities program. Persons who fall within one of the above exceptions should answer "no" to question 11.f. This exception to an adjudication or commitment by a Federal department or agency does not apply to any person who was adjudicated to be not guilty by reason of insanity, or based on lack of mental responsibility, or found incompetent to stand trial, in any criminal case or under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

 

If you were committed by a court or other lawful agency/institution you are banned from owning/purchasing a gun. What the Trump agency did was take away the ability for a parent or individual from claiming you are mentally ill to prevent you from purchasing a gun. As I said before....if you want to claim someone is mentally ill then you need to have the approval of a doctor or other lawful institution. As a parent you already can limit your child until they are 18 and 21 simply by being a parent. So by the time they turn 18 if a child who is clearly mentally unstable hasn't been taken to a lawful institution for evaluation then the guardians of that child have failed.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/us/dayton-ohio-shooting-suspect-hit-list

 

Government did a great job! Had authorities handled the situation properly he would have been unable to purchase a firearm due to form 4473 (see above)

 

Another good read:

 

https://lawcenter.giffords.org/gun-laws/policy-areas/who-can-have-a-gun/categories-of-prohibited-people/

 

As I've said before...banning guns isn't a solution. It's an emotional feel good moment that wont solve anything. The real issue needs to be addressed.

 

Also 26 out of the last 27 mass shooters have come from broken homes. But yeah, culture and society have nothing to do with it either.

 

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Even after all this is said it's not clear (unless you cherry pick) that guns availability always correlate to murders or violent crimes.

 

in 1954 London (which had zero gun laws) had 12 armed robberies

 

fast forward to today and...

 

London (with strict gun laws) had over 1400 armed robberies. 

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I can’t believe that the US consumer hasn’t yet clued in and realized that every time Trump imposes a tariff, the price of consumer goods goes up or corporate profits go down. Perhaps it is because the full effect hasn’t trickled down yet but won’t this eventually cause inflation? Do people not realize that this is a sneaky way of raising taxes?

 

Trump did not impose tariffs. The GOP did.

 

The NRA does not have elected officials. The GOP does.

 

It is foolish to blame recent massacres on the NRA or lobbyists.  It's the GOP.  These are GOP enabled massacres, just like these are GOP enabled tariffs. 

 

Call it for what it is.

They were both Democrats just saying (shootings have been generally evenly distributed with parties). And speaking specifically about Dayton it is unclear the intentions. So it's quite foolish to speculate. What we know (according to Washington Post) is there are no obvious tie to extremist groups. He also arrived with his sister and her boyfriend who were also victims (can't wrap my head around this).

 

I'm not an NRA member and I think they do utilize some "scare tactics" to gain members. But if you actually look at the cash they put up for lobbying they are a drop in the bucket compared to most other groups (big pharma).

 

How about we start discussing the real issue. Every single shooter has been on anti-depressants. Mass shootings have increased in correlation with gun laws. Stop putting band-aids on the issue and lets address the root. Even Neil Degrasse Tyson tweeted some common sense on the issue.

 

As someone who recently lived in Dayton and frequented that strip quite often it puts it in perspective. I had a friend who was down there that night (just down the street at the Dublin Pub) on a bachelor party (which I couldn't make). But this doesn't change my opinion on the cause of the issue. It's a mental health issue, a broken home issue. This is what happens when society begins to adopt a nihilistic view on life. These people sit in their dark corners of the internet and feed off each other.

 

__________________________________________

 

Back to the topic. What is a solution that doesn't involve tariffs to establish a more free trade global economy? I keep hearing consumers are getting fleeced but have prices actually gone up? The data doesn't seem to show any significant changed. Slight spike in March, but nothing spectacular.

 

https://data.bls.gov/pdq/SurveyOutputServlet

 

Where did you get the information that they were both Democrats?  Certainly not liberal if they had a racist/immigrant manifesto or target.  Cheers!

 

https://www.latimes.com/world-nation/story/2019-08-03/what-we-know-about-patrick-crusius-el-paso-rampage

 

You're right on the El Paso shooter. But the Dayton shooter (according to Washington Post) was a registered Democrat.

 

It's zero hedge so take it at face value. But I have found them to be about as accurate as many other sources.

 

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-05/dayton-shooter-was-pro-satan-leftist-who-supported-warren-sanders-antifa-and

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