Trump is right to call out democrats for destroying Baltimore

[rukawa]

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/trump-baltimore-tweets-elijah-cummings-david-simon-the-wire-response-latest-a9024096.html

Trump is right about Baltimore. Right about Elijah Cummings whose politics have crippled the city. Even hard core leftist David Simon agrees with Trump:

 

“If this empty-suit, race-hating fraud had to actually visit West Baltimore for five minutes and meet any of the American citizens who endure there, he’d wet himself,”

 

The epic self-delusion in the above quote is impressive...he thinks he is criticizing Trump. But he is actually agreeing with him.

 

Leftist rag NY Times agrees that Baltimore is a mess:

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/12/magazine/baltimore-tragedy-crime.html

 

Baltimore murder rate is right now 58/100k which puts it at about the level of El Salvador or Honduras which is where all the refugees are coming from.

 

Why aren't Democrats called out on the fact that they have been running these cities like this for DECADES and they are in a shambles. One other thing that should also be called out is the idea that Black leadership would solve problems. IT HASN'T. The cities which have had black political leadership the longest are some of the worst in America.

[cubsfan]

 

Why aren't Democrats called out on the fact that they have been running these cities like this for DECADES and they are in a shambles. One other thing that should also be called out is the idea that Black leadership would solve problems. IT HASN'T. The cities which have had black political leadership the longest are some of the worst in America.

 

Hey Rukawa - watch it !  You are insulting Chicago, which I thought actually was the murder capital of America. 100% controlled by Democrats

for 60+ years........ Barrack Obama's home town, which he wants nothing to do with. Plus 8 years of Rahm Emmauel, Obama's chief of Staff -

who could not overcome the corruption of the Democratic Party.

 

Home of Social Justice warrior Jessie Smollett - who Democrat Attorney General, Kimm Foxx, let off the hook - and smeared the Chicago Police

in the Process.

 

You are insulting our big city Democrats!  Of course all of Chicago's problems are Trump's fault!

[Ahab]

I don't think Trump's totally wrong about Baltimore, but that doesn't mean his comments were appropriate to say. When cities are blighted, citizens live in poverty, and children go to poor schools it reflects on all of us as Americans, not just one congressional representative.

[cubsfan]

I don't think Trump's totally wrong about Baltimore, but that doesn't mean his comments were appropriate to say. When cities are blighted, citizens live in poverty, and children go to poor schools it reflects on all of us as Americans, not just one congressional representative.

 

Well that one viewpoint, and correct about the city problems.

 

Another viewpoint - If you shame these politicians, perhaps the attention brought to them will force change, by removing them from office, or getting them off their ass.

[DTEJD1997]

I don't think Trump's totally wrong about Baltimore, but that doesn't mean his comments were appropriate to say. When cities are blighted, citizens live in poverty, and children go to poor schools it reflects on all of us as Americans, not just one congressional representative.

 

Well that one viewpoint, and correct about the city problems.

 

Another viewpoint - If you shame these politicians, perhaps the attention brought to them will force change, by removing them from office, or getting them off their ass.

 

There has been little to NO criticism of some of these cities for DECADES.  For years, if you criticized ANYTHING about Detroit, you would be labeled as a radical racist.

 

Meanwhile, these once great cities fell into utter ruin with Detroit leading the way.

 

 

[Parsad]

http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2019/more-than-170-code-violations-in-baltimore/

 

Kushner continues to own these Baltimore slums as he advises and works for the White House and Trump. 

 

I still can't believe you Trump supporters still are ok with the nepotism in the White House.  If this was anyone else, even George Washington himself, you guys would be calling for a lynching...but Trump...no go ahead and hire Tiffany and Baron as well!  Cheers!

[LC]

There has been little to NO criticism of some of these cities for DECADES.  For years, if you criticized ANYTHING about Detroit, you would be labeled as a radical racist.

That backlash exists because this criticism is often cherry-picked and directed at the wrong people.

 

For example, as Sanjeev just posted, Kushner's Slumlord Co. is directly contributing to the "infestation" in Baltimore.

Yet where is the criticism of Kushner? It is absent, instead we get treated to:

 

Why aren't Democrats called out on the fact that they have been running these cities like this for DECADES and they are in a shambles. One other thing that should also be called out is the idea that Black leadership would solve problems. IT HASN'T. The cities which have had black political leadership the longest are some of the worst in America.

[Gregmal]

Wait, why is Kushner now responsible or a hypocrite because he owns properties in Baltimore??? This is the stupid distraction stuff the left does. It's not Jared's responsibility to fix that shit hole. Same way these twitter losers freak out about how Ivanka can't help promote child wellness programs because there are children in detention centers, or how Melania cant promote women rights because Trump is a misogynist. Just bullshit distractions meant to discredit people they dont like.

 

And I say all this not liking silver spoon weasel Jared one bit. I guess rather than Jared... these lefty idiots would rather have the NYCHA or the Baltimore equivalent run it? Uh yea, they've been completely quiet about that disaster....like I said, just hypocrites.

[Cardboard]

Does Jared own properties too in Detroit, Chicago, Cleveland?

 

 

[Castanza]

http://www.butterfliesandwheels.org/2019/more-than-170-code-violations-in-baltimore/

 

Kushner continues to own these Baltimore slums as he advises and works for the White House and Trump. 

 

I still can't believe you Trump supporters still are ok with the nepotism in the White House.  If this was anyone else, even George Washington himself, you guys would be calling for a lynching...but Trump...no go ahead and hire Tiffany and Baron as well!  Cheers!

 

I don't like the nepotism, but can you imagine if Trump and the White House mad an effort to fix areas in which they own property? CNN, Washington Post and New York Times would immediately say the President is using his power to improve the value of personal assets. I mean, wasn't this a concern when he first got elected?

[DTEJD1997]

There has been little to NO criticism of some of these cities for DECADES.  For years, if you criticized ANYTHING about Detroit, you would be labeled as a radical racist.

That backlash exists because this criticism is often cherry-picked and directed at the wrong people.

 

For example, as Sanjeev just posted, Kushner's Slumlord Co. is directly contributing to the "infestation" in Baltimore.

Yet where is the criticism of Kushner? It is absent, instead we get treated to:

 

Why aren't Democrats called out on the fact that they have been running these cities like this for DECADES and they are in a shambles. One other thing that should also be called out is the idea that Black leadership would solve problems. IT HASN'T. The cities which have had black political leadership the longest are some of the worst in America.

 

If Jared does indeed have bad properties, then he should catch criticism too.

 

Words on the interweb cannot even BEGIN to describe what has happened and been going on in Detroit.

 

If you could magically teleport a resident from 1942 into present day Detroit they would think the Nazi's or Imperial Japan won WWII and we were bombed into oblivion.  Take them just outside of Downtown down Gratiot Ave. all the way to Eight Mile Road.

 

Instead, if you took that 1942 resident down VanDyke to 8 mile, they might think that instead of losing WWII, we were invaded by Martians or aliens.  The devastation is simply incredible.  It makes Baltimore look prosperous and well run.

 

Things are SO BAD that there are many areas of the city where there are now farms being set up.  Everything has been burned down and there is now swaths of land so big that crops can be commercially grown.

 

The last Republican mayor of Detroit was Louis Miriani in 1962. 

 

The destruction & rot of Detroit has been taking place not long after that.

 

Is it all the fault of Democrat politicians?  No, of course not...but they certainly had a hand in it.

[Vish_ram]

Trump is making a fool out of everyone.

 

Years ago when Obama was the President, Trump blamed Obama for the issues in Baltimore. Now that he is the President, he is blaming the Congressman. This is classic Trump. So the buck doesn't stop at his desk.

 

Trump solely exists not to solve issues, but to rile people up, set things on fire, watch and comment on the ensuing confusion. Trump is a good litmus test for CoBF racists to come out.

 

This too shall pass.

[bearprowler6]

Trump is making a fool out of everyone.

 

Years ago when Obama was the President, Trump blamed Obama for the issues in Baltimore. Now that he is the President, he is blaming the Congressman. This is classic Trump. So the buck doesn't stop at his desk.

 

Trump solely exists not to solve issues, but to rile people up, set things on fire, watch and comment on the ensuing confusion. Trump is a good litmus test for CoBF racists to come out.

 

This too shall pass.

 

+1

[LC]

DTEJ, we both know the root cause of Detroit's fall has been the decline of the US automotive industry.

 

Just as it's difficult for the Owner-Operator to see the melting ice cube, much less subsequently turnaround the failing company, so too was the case in Detroit. Could politicans have done better? Most likely, and they deserve proportionate criticism. But to say they could have prevented the fall of Detroit, is simply obstinate.

 

If Jared does indeed have bad properties, then he should catch criticism too.

Absolutely - and he too deserves proportionate blame.

 

 

 

[DTEJD1997]

DTEJ, we both know the root cause of Detroit's fall has been the decline of the US automotive industry.

 

Just as it's difficult for the Owner-Operator to see the melting ice cube, much less subsequently turnaround the failing company, so too was the case in Detroit. Could politicans have done better? Most likely, and they deserve proportionate criticism. But to say they could have prevented the fall of Detroit, is simply obstinate.

 

If Jared does indeed have bad properties, then he should catch criticism too.

Absolutely - and he too deserves proportionate blame.

 

LC:

 

No doubt the problems of the USA auto industry has been a huge factor in the decline of Detroit...but I can ASSURE you that the politicians had a large amount to do with it also.  I was born & raised here, and now live here once again after a 25 year absence.

 

Coleman Young was one of the most stupidest, racist, ignorant mayors that could ever be imagined (and was also a hard core Democrat).  He (and his associates) didn't have a substantial hand in the destruction of Detroit?

 

What of Kwame Kilpatrick?  He was so stupid he got caught and is/has been in prison for many years.  He didn't have a substantial hand in the further destruction of the city?

 

I could go on & on & on.  Rest assured, the politicians here exacerbated and caused many of the problems!

 

 

One of a myriad examples of this is the case of Hamtramck.  Hamtramck used to house workers that mainly worked in the Dodge & Packard plants.  Both of those factories closed many, many, many years ago.  Hamtramck is still a working class city, vibrant, and has a bombed out/abandoned house rate of 1% (maybe less).  Not that Hamtramck is perfect, but it is in a whole different class than Detroit.  Compare it to Detroit.  Hamtramck suffered the same economic problems of Detroit, but yet it's fate was/is entirely different.

 

 

[LC]

This is fair but take a look at Washington DC and Marion Barry. Hell, go back further to Boss Tweed in NYC. Incompetent and corrupt on a grand scale.

 

But these cities continue to prosper because they have sustainable industry. Detroit never found a way to diversify. And make no mistake, if Detroit were still pumping out America's cars, the dance would keep on going.

[Castanza]

This is fair but take a look at Washington DC and Marion Barry. Hell, go back further to Boss Tweed in NYC. Incompetent and corrupt on a grand scale.

 

But these cities continue to prosper because they have sustainable industry. Detroit never found a way to diversify. And make no mistake, if Detroit were still pumping out America's cars, the dance would keep on going.

 

Don't forget the role Unions played in destroying the auto industry (specifically in Detroit) and northern Ohio.

[cubsfan]

Trump is making a fool out of everyone.

 

Years ago when Obama was the President, Trump blamed Obama for the issues in Baltimore. Now that he is the President, he is blaming the Congressman. This is classic Trump. So the buck doesn't stop at his desk.

 

Trump solely exists not to solve issues, but to rile people up, set things on fire, watch and comment on the ensuing confusion. Trump is a good litmus test for CoBF racists to come out.

 

This too shall pass.

 

Trump is a change agent - and is right to call out a career politician like Cummings that is not doing his job, taking care of his constituents.

The most powerful thing you can do with these politicians is shine a bright light on them, so they are embarrassed or voted out of office.

Politics is messy and ugly.

[Parsad]

Wait, why is Kushner now responsible or a hypocrite because he owns properties in Baltimore??? This is the stupid distraction stuff the left does. It's not Jared's responsibility to fix that shit hole. Same way these twitter losers freak out about how Ivanka can't help promote child wellness programs because there are children in detention centers, or how Melania cant promote women rights because Trump is a misogynist. Just bullshit distractions meant to discredit people they dont like.

 

And I say all this not liking silver spoon weasel Jared one bit. I guess rather than Jared... these lefty idiots would rather have the NYCHA or the Baltimore equivalent run it? Uh yea, they've been completely quiet about that disaster....like I said, just hypocrites.

 

No ones saying that Jared has to fix Baltimore.  But he should fix his slumlord buildings...that contributes to the problem in Baltimore.  He has 20,000 people living in his Baltimore slums!  That would go a long ways to fixing his share of the problem...and he's the President's son-in-law...the same President complaining about what a shithole Baltimore is!  Geez, if his son-in-law is one of the prime problems and isn't fixing his responsibilities, why would anyone else do it?  Cheers!

[DTEJD1997]

This is fair but take a look at Washington DC and Marion Barry. Hell, go back further to Boss Tweed in NYC. Incompetent and corrupt on a grand scale.

 

But these cities continue to prosper because they have sustainable industry. Detroit never found a way to diversify. And make no mistake, if Detroit were still pumping out America's cars, the dance would keep on going.

 

Yes, I think it is more than fair...but if you look at the Detroit metro area, no other city (exception of Highland Park) has fared WORSE than Detroit.  It ain't even close, and this is an understatement.  This is also true for cities with heavy manufacturing, not just the elite suburbs.  Dearborn & Warren are but two examples of this. 

 

So how did all these other cities that are so intricately tied into heavy manufacturing (steel, autos, trucks), that are adjacent to Detroit (sharing a border in many instances), stay in so much better condition than Detroit?

[LC]

Frankly I don't know - I've never lived there and I am no certainly expert on Detroit. What little I do know is that apparently the suburbs of Detroit are where many of the auto factories were actually located - and presumably where the union workers (as Castanza points out) lived and worked. And I'm guessing those folks were collecting pretty fat pensions well into the 2000s. This I assume would have contributed to maintaining quality of life in these adjacent areas.

 

 

[DTEJD1997]

Frankly I don't know - I've never lived there and I am no certainly expert on Detroit. What little I do know is that apparently the suburbs of Detroit are where many of the auto factories were actually located - and presumably where the union workers (as Castanza points out) lived and worked. And I'm guessing those folks were collecting pretty fat pensions well into the 2000s. This I assume would have contributed to maintaining quality of life in these adjacent areas.

I lived & grew up in Detroit, and had many family members in Detroit and the surrounding areas.  Some of them for government agencies.

 

Detroit used to have the most factories of any of the nearby cities.  There was also a housing SHORTAGE in Detroit for decades.  Detroit (arguably) used to also be the richest city in America.  There WAS much more wealth in Detroit than in almost any of it's suburbs. 

 

Crazy thing is this started to change in the late 60's.  Another crazy coincidence is that the last Republican mayor of Detroit was in 1962.  The real break down started a few years after that.  Coincidence?  Maybe...

 

There were PLENTY of retired union/government workers in Detroit too.  It used to be requirement that if you were a city employee, you had to live in the city.  That was thrown out in the early 2000's if I recall correctly.

 

Mike Duggan, the current mayor, is the first white man to be elected since Roman Griggs in 1974!

 

Now, Detroit is one of the poorest cities in the country...Things are slowly changing though and the Downtown & Mexicantown areas have seen tremendous increases in property value!  Heck, my Dad and I drove through his old neighborhood on the far East side tonight after coming back from the MGM casino.  I kid you not, there are actually houses selling there for $100K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  There are even a few that are just a little bit more!  Who would have thought that homes in Detroit would EVER reach six figures?  Not me!  I'm not talking about 6k-8k sq. ft. houses in Indian Village either...I'm talking about modest two story brick houses on the East side.  A bit smaller than 2k sq. ft. with a garage and yard.  SIX FIGURES!!!!!!! HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE MAD? In 2008-2009, some of these homes were selling for $20k, and you would have been lucky to get that.

 

Oh well, it is a crazy world that we live in.  Got to roll with the changes!

[LC]

Read up a little bit on this...the 67 riots seemed like one helluva tipping point:

 

Composed mainly of confrontations between black residents and the Detroit Police Department, it began in the early morning hours of Sunday July 23, 1967, in Detroit, Michigan. The precipitating event was a police raid of an unlicensed, after-hours bar then known as a blind pig, on the city's Near West Side. It exploded into one of the deadliest and most destructive riots in American history, lasting five days and surpassing the violence and property destruction of Detroit's 1943 race riot 24 years earlier.

 

The result was 43 dead, 1,189 injured, over 7,200 arrests, and more than 2,000 buildings destroyed. The scale of the riot was the worst in the United States since the 1863 New York City draft riots during the American Civil War,[3] and was not surpassed until the 1992 Los Angeles riots 25 years later.

 

From there apparently the racial divide grew wider, combined with industry slowly leaving...and yikes. Not good ingredients for success.

[Castanza]

Frankly I don't know - I've never lived there and I am no certainly expert on Detroit. What little I do know is that apparently the suburbs of Detroit are where many of the auto factories were actually located - and presumably where the union workers (as Castanza points out) lived and worked. And I'm guessing those folks were collecting pretty fat pensions well into the 2000s. This I assume would have contributed to maintaining quality of life in these adjacent areas.

I lived & grew up in Detroit, and had many family members in Detroit and the surrounding areas.  Some of them for government agencies.

 

Detroit used to have the most factories of any of the nearby cities.  There was also a housing SHORTAGE in Detroit for decades.  Detroit (arguably) used to also be the richest city in America.  There WAS much more wealth in Detroit than in almost any of it's suburbs. 

 

Crazy thing is this started to change in the late 60's.  Another crazy coincidence is that the last Republican mayor of Detroit was in 1962.  The real break down started a few years after that.  Coincidence?  Maybe...

 

There were PLENTY of retired union/government workers in Detroit too.  It used to be requirement that if you were a city employee, you had to live in the city.  That was thrown out in the early 2000's if I recall correctly.

 

Mike Duggan, the current mayor, is the first white man to be elected since Roman Griggs in 1974!

 

Now, Detroit is one of the poorest cities in the country...Things are slowly changing though and the Downtown & Mexicantown areas have seen tremendous increases in property value!  Heck, my Dad and I drove through his old neighborhood on the far East side tonight after coming back from the MGM casino.  I kid you not, there are actually houses selling there for $100K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  There are even a few that are just a little bit more!  Who would have thought that homes in Detroit would EVER reach six figures?  Not me!  I'm not talking about 6k-8k sq. ft. houses in Indian Village either...I'm talking about modest two story brick houses on the East side.  A bit smaller than 2k sq. ft. with a garage and yard.  SIX FIGURES!!!!!!! HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE MAD? In 2008-2009, some of these homes were selling for $20k, and you would have been lucky to get that.

 

Oh well, it is a crazy world that we live in.  Got to roll with the changes!

 

I've always heard that there were entire neighborhoods selling for $1 if the buyer paid the property tax and made an effort to improve the area or something like that. Is there any merit to that?

[DTEJD1997]

Frankly I don't know - I've never lived there and I am no certainly expert on Detroit. What little I do know is that apparently the suburbs of Detroit are where many of the auto factories were actually located - and presumably where the union workers (as Castanza points out) lived and worked. And I'm guessing those folks were collecting pretty fat pensions well into the 2000s. This I assume would have contributed to maintaining quality of life in these adjacent areas.

I lived & grew up in Detroit, and had many family members in Detroit and the surrounding areas.  Some of them for government agencies.

 

Detroit used to have the most factories of any of the nearby cities.  There was also a housing SHORTAGE in Detroit for decades.  Detroit (arguably) used to also be the richest city in America.  There WAS much more wealth in Detroit than in almost any of it's suburbs. 

 

Crazy thing is this started to change in the late 60's.  Another crazy coincidence is that the last Republican mayor of Detroit was in 1962.  The real break down started a few years after that.  Coincidence?  Maybe...

 

There were PLENTY of retired union/government workers in Detroit too.  It used to be requirement that if you were a city employee, you had to live in the city.  That was thrown out in the early 2000's if I recall correctly.

 

Mike Duggan, the current mayor, is the first white man to be elected since Roman Griggs in 1974!

 

Now, Detroit is one of the poorest cities in the country...Things are slowly changing though and the Downtown & Mexicantown areas have seen tremendous increases in property value!  Heck, my Dad and I drove through his old neighborhood on the far East side tonight after coming back from the MGM casino.  I kid you not, there are actually houses selling there for $100K!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  There are even a few that are just a little bit more!  Who would have thought that homes in Detroit would EVER reach six figures?  Not me!  I'm not talking about 6k-8k sq. ft. houses in Indian Village either...I'm talking about modest two story brick houses on the East side.  A bit smaller than 2k sq. ft. with a garage and yard.  SIX FIGURES!!!!!!! HAS THE WHOLE WORLD GONE MAD? In 2008-2009, some of these homes were selling for $20k, and you would have been lucky to get that.

 

Oh well, it is a crazy world that we live in.  Got to roll with the changes!

 

I've always heard that there were entire neighborhoods selling for $1 if the buyer paid the property tax and made an effort to improve the area or something like that. Is there any merit to that?

 

I have never heard of OR encountered entire NEIGHBORHOODS for $1.  That is totally new to me.

 

There are certainly abandoned sections of the city, whole neighborhoods that are abandoned, razed, lost to nature...Detroit has an abandoned zoo!  It opened in the early 80's.  I actually went there a few times as a child.  It has been empty/lost to looters/nature for about 20 years now.  A fascinating video is on the YouTube:

 

 

This zoo was built/done during the reign of Coleman Young.

 

Another fascinating video of Detroit:

 

 

This video starts off with the simply incredible Fisher Building.  While they show some very nice aspects of it, they only scratch the surface.  It is truly a work of art (Art Deco) and rivals anything in the world.

 

The video progresses to Cooley High School, built in the the late 20's.  This shows the incredible wealth & strength of the city in better times.  Simply insane.  At about the 26 minute mark, they show the shooting range of the high school.  YES, schools in the USA used to have shooting clubs/ranges.  Simply unimaginable now.  Well worth 30 minutes of your time.

 

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Could you get houses/buildings/lots for $1 in Detroit?  All day, every day and twice on Sunday. 

 

Just before I bought my commercial buildings, I got into a "heated" discussion with a close family member.  He was concerned that I had lost my mind, and was of the opinion that real estate only goes DOWN in value as time progresses...and "don't be stupid, you might be buying property worth LESS THAN ZERO".  Luckily, I did not lose my mind.  Time was on my side, and the properties were worth more than zero, and have actually appreciated!

 

For many years, and even today, I can show you properties that are still worth less than zero.  That is, you will have to pay taxes on them.  Why pay taxes on something that never produce income/value?  Why take the risk of environmental problems?  Risk being sued over somebody doing something stupid and getting hurt on your property?  Why have the expense of having maintenance/upkeep/landscaping?  Run the risk/expense of having somebody "dump" on your property?

 

In the year 2019, there is much "less than zero" properties than previous years, but there are still some.  There are also TONS of properties that had marginal worth, that are now actually worth something.  There are even people who are making money buying properties on the fringes of neighborhoods that are improving.  There are properties actually being re-purposed and fixed up and being put back into business use.

 

Where else in America can you BUY commercial property (in decent condition) for $11/sq. foot?