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She is right on this one...to a degree. Acting is just that... Can a person of one nationality "act" like one of another? Sure. Check out some of the early 2000's Dave Chapelle stuff. Dude wore "whiteface" and spoke ridiculously and it was great. He mocked Tiger Woods as a black, and then did the same with Woods as an Asian in one skit. Some of the funniest stuff you will ever see. It was ENTERTAINING! Which is the name of the game that Johanssen plays.

 

At the same time, its hard to see a character that has already been defined, ie "James Bond", after 24 installments, become a black women. I had a hard enough time accepting Timothy Dalton. If you can pull it off, sure, but ultimately the audience will determine if it works or not. Money talks.

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I fear this will simply end up creating more bad movies rather than act as a lightning rod for social change.

 

Although the flip side is when Nichelle Nichols was cast on star trek, this was groundbreaking for black women. Perhaps this may be the same for traditional gender roles. I have my doubts, but hey it's not my money they're using to make the movie. Although I could envision a pretty kickass Jane Bond series if they got it right.

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She is right on this one...to a degree. Acting is just that... Can a person of one nationality "act" like one of another? Sure. Check out some of the early 2000's Dave Chapelle stuff. Dude wore "whiteface" and spoke ridiculously and it was great. He mocked Tiger Woods as a black, and then did the same with Woods as an Asian in one skit. Some of the funniest stuff you will ever see. It was ENTERTAINING! Which is the name of the game that Johanssen plays.

 

At the same time, its hard to see a character that has already been defined, ie "James Bond", after 24 installments, become a black women. I had a hard enough time accepting Timothy Dalton. If you can pull it off, sure, but ultimately the audience will determine if it works or not. Money talks.

 

If it's ok for Dave Chappelle or others to play different minorities or races, then a female James Bond is no different...otherwise you are splitting hairs.

 

Incidentally, the new black actress would be playing Agent 007, not James Bond.  Cheers!

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She is right on this one...to a degree. Acting is just that... Can a person of one nationality "act" like one of another? Sure. Check out some of the early 2000's Dave Chapelle stuff. Dude wore "whiteface" and spoke ridiculously and it was great. He mocked Tiger Woods as a black, and then did the same with Woods as an Asian in one skit. Some of the funniest stuff you will ever see. It was ENTERTAINING! Which is the name of the game that Johanssen plays.

 

At the same time, its hard to see a character that has already been defined, ie "James Bond", after 24 installments, become a black women. I had a hard enough time accepting Timothy Dalton. If you can pull it off, sure, but ultimately the audience will determine if it works or not. Money talks.

 

If it's ok for Dave Chappelle or others to play different minorities or races, then a female James Bond is no different...otherwise you are splitting hairs.

 

Incidentally, the new black actress would be playing Agent 007, not James Bond.  Cheers!

 

How about Jaimie Bond?  The studios are really lacking for new ideas these days.  It seems like the future of movies will be the 29th Spiderman movie, more bad 80's movies rehashes, another 80 superhero rehashes, Toy Story 46, then 47, then 48....,  Hey let's do the Little Mermaid again, but this time make her Chinese!    How about a transgender 007 this time?  ..... 

 

How about some completely new movie ideas?      <crickets>

 

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I think we should do Tomb Raider with a white male lead. Laurence Croft, I'm sure that would go over great with the media.

 

I don't understand the changing the past thing. Were minorities underrepresented in the movie industry? Yeah they probably were. But how does going back and changing Ariel, or altering franchises make anything better? Why not work on making new franchises with a different focus? This whole "movement" feels like a now 40 year old man constantly talking about his glory days of high school football and how he could have went pro. Move on and do something better. The pendulum is swinging too far the other way and it's becoming tiresome. I mean look at TV shows. How many new shows are with strong female leads compared to men? The overwhelming effort is quite clear.

 

Empire

Scandal

Quantico

How to Get Away with Murder

New Girl

Two Broke Girls

Killing Eve

Orange is the New Black

The Good Place

The Handmaid's Tale

Pretty Little Liars (and the revamp)

Better Things

Grey's Anatomy (has drastically shifted over the years)

Once Upon a Time

Star Trek: Discovery

Homeland

Parks and Recreation

Stranger Things (arguably female lead)

 

 

The list goes on. Quick stat is 42% of new shows are women lead characters. 20% are male leads and the rest is couple lead. I'm not saying I don't/didn't enjoy any of these shows. But the push is quite obvious. As LC said, I wonder if it will ultimately lead to poor quality shows simply because they character has to be this or that. But as I've said; new stuff doesn't bother me. It's when they try to go back in time and change things or ruin good solid franchises out of political correctness.

 

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^ Who needs new material? I am looking forward to a sequel to  “Snakes on a plane”

 

<groan>  I fear you'll get your wish.  Right after the Footloose reboot with a female lead.

 

The Footloose remake with a male lead was bad enough...they don't need a 3rd kick at the can...male or female!  ;D  Cheers!

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I think we should do Tomb Raider with a white male lead. Laurence Croft, I'm sure that would go over great with the media.

 

I don't understand the changing the past thing. Were minorities underrepresented in the movie industry? Yeah they probably were. But how does going back and changing Ariel, or altering franchises make anything better? Why not work on making new franchises with a different focus? This whole "movement" feels like a now 40 year old man constantly talking about his glory days of high school football and how he could have went pro. Move on and do something better. The pendulum is swinging too far the other way and it's becoming tiresome. I mean look at TV shows. How many new shows are with strong female leads compared to men? The overwhelming effort is quite clear.

 

Empire

Scandal

Quantico

How to Get Away with Murder

New Girl

Two Broke Girls

Killing Eve

Orange is the New Black

The Good Place

The Handmaid's Tale

Pretty Little Liars (and the revamp)

Better Things

Grey's Anatomy (has drastically shifted over the years)

Once Upon a Time

Star Trek: Discovery

Homeland

Parks and Recreation

Stranger Things (arguably female lead)

 

 

The list goes on. Quick stat is 42% of new shows are women lead characters. 20% are male leads and the rest is couple lead. I'm not saying I don't/didn't enjoy any of these shows. But the push is quite obvious. As LC said, I wonder if it will ultimately lead to poor quality shows simply because they character has to be this or that. But as I've said; new stuff doesn't bother me. It's when they try to go back in time and change things or ruin good solid franchises out of political correctness.

 

The push is on because women under 50 with disposable income is one of the fastest growing segments of the viewing audience.  Women made the Kardashians...not good television.  Sports teams, entertainment, business, entrepreneurship...all catering to women under 50.  As Buffett said, the U.S. achieved such extraordinary success with applying only half its workforce...the other half is now awakening with more money, power and position than ever before!  Cheers!

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I think we should do Tomb Raider with a white male lead. Laurence Croft, I'm sure that would go over great with the media.

 

I don't understand the changing the past thing. Were minorities underrepresented in the movie industry? Yeah they probably were. But how does going back and changing Ariel, or altering franchises make anything better? Why not work on making new franchises with a different focus? This whole "movement" feels like a now 40 year old man constantly talking about his glory days of high school football and how he could have went pro. Move on and do something better. The pendulum is swinging too far the other way and it's becoming tiresome. I mean look at TV shows. How many new shows are with strong female leads compared to men? The overwhelming effort is quite clear.

 

Empire

Scandal

Quantico

How to Get Away with Murder

New Girl

Two Broke Girls

Killing Eve

Orange is the New Black

The Good Place

The Handmaid's Tale

Pretty Little Liars (and the revamp)

Better Things

Grey's Anatomy (has drastically shifted over the years)

Once Upon a Time

Star Trek: Discovery

Homeland

Parks and Recreation

Stranger Things (arguably female lead)

 

 

The list goes on. Quick stat is 42% of new shows are women lead characters. 20% are male leads and the rest is couple lead. I'm not saying I don't/didn't enjoy any of these shows. But the push is quite obvious. As LC said, I wonder if it will ultimately lead to poor quality shows simply because they character has to be this or that. But as I've said; new stuff doesn't bother me. It's when they try to go back in time and change things or ruin good solid franchises out of political correctness.

 

The push is on because women under 50 with disposable income is one of the fastest growing segments of the viewing audience.  Women made the Kardashians...not good television.  Sports teams, entertainment, business, entrepreneurship...all catering to women under 50.  As Buffett said, the U.S. achieved such extraordinary success with applying only half its workforce...the other half is now awakening with more money, power and position than ever before!  Cheers!

 

I think that's part of it for sure. But the politics are definitely included in that equation. Really, it's capitalism at its finest. Companies utilizing customer and political emotion/movements to make a buck off people who think these same companies really care. 

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^ Who needs new material? I am looking forward to a sequel to  “Snakes on a plane”

 

<groan>  I fear you'll get your wish.  Right after the Footloose reboot with a female lead.

 

The Footloose remake with a male lead was bad enough...they don't need a 3rd kick at the can...male or female!  ;D  Cheers!

 

I agree. When I tried to come up with the worst idea for a movie that I could think of that is what I thought of first. If it turned out as bad compared with the original as the Ghostbusters remake was, then it would be truly awful.

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^ Who needs new material? I am looking forward to a sequel to  “Snakes on a plane”

 

<groan>  I fear you'll get your wish.  Right after the Footloose reboot with a female lead.

 

The Footloose remake with a male lead was bad enough...they don't need a 3rd kick at the can...male or female!  ;D  Cheers!

 

I agree. When I tried to come up with the worst idea for a movie that I could think of that is what I thought of first. If it turned out as bad compared with the original as the Ghostbusters remake was, then it would be truly awful.

 

Ironically, the most imaginative and creative stuff is happening on television.  Whether you were a fan or not, Game of Thrones, really changed what could be imagined and presented on television. 

 

And now you've got powerhouse studios that focus on television rather than film like Netflix, Amazon, etc.  We can complain about how unimaginative Hollywood is, but the truth is that television has not been this creative since the 60's! 

 

I was watching the Wimbledon finals this weekend, and people reminisce about the golden era of Men's tennis...two eras...70's/80's Conners, Borg, McEnroe, Lendl and the 90's/early 2000's with Agassi, Sampras, Hewitt, Roddick, etc.  But this era with Nadal, Djokavic and Federer is really the truly golden age of men's tennis...they are so much better than everyone else around them, and push each other to evolve year after year.

 

I think that is the short shrift Hollywood is getting right now.  They've probably never been as creative as they are since the era of John Ford, Orson Welles, etc, yet people are complaining about how generic and derivative everything is these days.  And that's mainly because all of these Marvel and DC Comic movies are being made.  But we've seen this rodeo before...remember when Westerns were all the rage.  From the 50's to the late 80's, you had at least 3-4 Westerns come out every year!  And on telelvision...remember Bonanza, Gunsmoke, The Rifleman, The Big Valley...all the way to Dallas!

 

So maybe things aren't as irrelevant and boring as we think...since we're looking through rose-tinted glasses!  Cheers!

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^ Who needs new material? I am looking forward to a sequel to  “Snakes on a plane”

 

<groan>  I fear you'll get your wish.  Right after the Footloose reboot with a female lead.

 

The Footloose remake with a male lead was bad enough...they don't need a 3rd kick at the can...male or female!  ;D  Cheers!

 

I agree. When I tried to come up with the worst idea for a movie that I could think of that is what I thought of first. If it turned out as bad compared with the original as the Ghostbusters remake was, then it would be truly awful.

 

Ironically, the most imaginative and creative stuff is happening on television.  Whether you were a fan or not, Game of Thrones, really changed what could be imagined and presented on television. 

 

You mean porn?  :P

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^ Who needs new material? I am looking forward to a sequel to  “Snakes on a plane”

 

<groan>  I fear you'll get your wish.  Right after the Footloose reboot with a female lead.

 

The Footloose remake with a male lead was bad enough...they don't need a 3rd kick at the can...male or female!  ;D  Cheers!

 

I agree. When I tried to come up with the worst idea for a movie that I could think of that is what I thought of first. If it turned out as bad compared with the original as the Ghostbusters remake was, then it would be truly awful.

 

Ironically, the most imaginative and creative stuff is happening on television.  Whether you were a fan or not, Game of Thrones, really changed what could be imagined and presented on television. 

 

You mean porn?  :P

 

No, I'm talking about the sets, the battle scenes, special effects, writing, etc.  Some of the finest battles in movie history were in Game of Thrones...comparable to Saving Private Ryan, The Longest Day, Alexander, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, etc.  Plus the porn in the first 5 seasons!  Cheers!

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