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There has only been one person in government (within my lifetime) who I have respected. That person is Ron Paul. In my opinion, he will be the best President we've never had. As of the past few years there has been another that I've come to respect because of his (Justin Amash) bipartisanship and most importantly his ability to adhere strictly to the constitution.

 

Today, Mr. Amash came out with his opinion on whether or not Donald Trump should be impeached. He feels that he should be impeached.

 

Do I like POTUS? Not so much. Have I defended some of his policies and positions? Absolutely! Have I criticized his policies? Absolutely! Do I think he should be impeached? I have no freaking idea. It's difficult for me to look past all the wrongs the past administrations (within my lifetime) have done and think "Yes, now someone is truly worthy of impeachment." I guess this is another reason why I respect Amash so much. He is able to look at things without a biased filter of any type, except that of the Constitution. And for that reason alone I trust his opinion on POTUS and the future actions that should be taken. This is why we elect congressional members to vote instead of voting on each issue ourselves. The average person simply isn't cut out for it. And to be honest , the average member of congress isn't either.

 

Surely if the GOP begins to follow the lead of Amash (the smart ones will) then there is going to be serious uncertainty in the market. Really curious how this will affect trade talks and tariffs over the next few months.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/republican-rep-justin-amash-says-trump-should-be-impeached/2019/05/18/be3c3b3c-79a6-11e9-bd25-c989555e7766_story.html?utm_term=.764f8a73cf9b

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Amash is ridiculous - this Russia hoax was an attempt to remove an elected President, while deflecting the illegal activities of many in the

Obama administration and the hatred/contempt the mainstream media has for Trump and the Americans who elected him

 

Fortunately, William Barr a completely honorable AG is having nothing of it - and may actually get to the bottom of conspiracy to

take down Donald Trump.

 

It's about time.

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Amash is ridiculous - this Russia hoax was an attempt to remove an elected President, while deflecting the illegal activities of many in the

Obama administration and the hatred/contempt the mainstream media has for Trump and the Americans who elected him

 

Fortunately, William Barr a completely honorable AG is having nothing of it - and may actually get to the bottom of conspiracy to

take down Donald Trump.

 

It's about time.

 

Amash is only ridiculous because he disagrees with your view. He speaks the truth and is the first of many that will break ranks. What is truly ridiculous is you calling AG Barr "completely honorable". That statement is truly laughable.

 

Start counting the days...the Orange head does not have much time left as your President.

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Amash is ridiculous - this Russia hoax was an attempt to remove an elected President, while deflecting the illegal activities of many in the

Obama administration and the hatred/contempt the mainstream media has for Trump and the Americans who elected him

 

Fortunately, William Barr a completely honorable AG is having nothing of it - and may actually get to the bottom of conspiracy to

take down Donald Trump.

 

It's about time.

 

Amash is only ridiculous because he disagrees with your view. He speaks the truth and is the first of many that will break ranks. What is truly ridiculous is you calling AG Barr "completely honorable". That statement is truly laughable.

 

Start counting the days...the Orange head does not have much time left as your President.

 

You had your 2 years to take the guy out - and it completely failed.  19 hostile lawyers, 40 FBI agents,  500 witnesses, 2800 supoenas, 34 indictments (none for

conspiracy/collusion - to your disappointment),  and $30M spent with unlimited resources..

 

Keep up the harassment Bear, and watch Trump get re-elected.  Time for the real criminals to go down.

 

 

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Amash is ridiculous - this Russia hoax was an attempt to remove an elected President, while deflecting the illegal activities of many in the

Obama administration and the hatred/contempt the mainstream media has for Trump and the Americans who elected him

 

Fortunately, William Barr a completely honorable AG is having nothing of it - and may actually get to the bottom of conspiracy to

take down Donald Trump.

 

It's about time.

 

Cubsfan, you know I am not a "liberal", but I am also not a republican. I am not saying that Trump was in cahoots with the Russians. Honestly I agree that it a bit ridiculous and a stretch. Also as you pointed out, the past administration is not guilt free in these types of situations as well. Clinton also undoubtedly being an offender as well. I think the Russian hysteria is overblown, BUT I think it is obvious where Trump has used his powers to obstruct justice in specific situations. You could argue that some of the executive branch departments (FBI) are corrupt and actively tried to manipulate/influence the election and other areas of policy. BUT that does not give POTUS a free pass to fix things with his own power. I look at Amash's view as one of "righting the ship." Just because past organizations may have gotten away with things doesn't mean the current one should. And regardless of his personal preference on the policies, he is aim is a larger precedent.

 

Trump was a wild card of a candidate in my opinion. I like a lot of what he does, and I also dislike a lot of what he does. He is a complete asshole and brings a lot of this negativity upon himself. But he is not as bad as what the media makes him out to be. I have a few close friend who work directly for Mike Pence and their interpretation of his character are far different than what you see in the media. To me, what makes Trump a difficult one to peg is his lack of respect for the power he has. He is very willing to stretch the bounds of his presidential powers. Presidential powers have been growing unchecked for the past three administrations. Trump may not be the worst offender, but he still needs to be held accountable even if I am silently "rooting" for him. At some point this power needs to be checked. How many wars have we waged without congress under the past three administrations? How many back handed constitutional violations have we enacted (Patriot Act, Obama Care). How much "dirty money" have we given out to countries that have zero similarities in value to the US? How many executive orders have been given?

 

I think history will look back at his presidency and the situation he walked into and have more respect than there currently is. The climate Trump has entered in was certainly not favorable. I think there will be things that we look back on (tariff usage) and see their intended purpose. Whether you do 100 good things and 1 bad thing it does not matter. Nobody should be above the law, and it's time POTUS(s) be held accountable.

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Fair enough Castanza - perfectly reasonable viewpoint.

 

Washington, DC is a swamp with a lot of sleazy politicians and a dishonest media. Trump threatens the power chain in DC and is not

beholden to any of them. They hate him - always have always will. Trump knows how to fight them and it gets ugly. So many of the

power players do not care about the truth - only winning at any costs counts to them. You actually need a Donald Trump that knows

how to hit below the belt if you want to expose any of their nonsense.

 

Kinda like you needed Dirty Harry to clean up both criminals and a crooked police force. Fight fire with fire.

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The biggest hole in the "OMG if Trump wasn't President he definitely would have been charged with obstruction" narrative is... if he wasnt President, he wouldn't have had a Cabinet to order to do all these oh so bad things that apparently obstructed justice from being carried out. If he wasnt President, the hoax never would have played out. For instance, if he was not president, how would he "supposedly" order the AG to end an investigation? I mean liberals wanted Comey fired for how he handled the Clinton thing? Is that not obstruction? He is only in this position because he is president and as president, has certain powers and abilities to make executive decisions and that's why he can't be charged. So its again, a farcical narrative spread by people who hate Trump, and people looking to make a name for themselves.

 

Bottom line, you guys bet everything on the fact that you were 10000% certain of all the collusion, so no, you dont get a do over now doing the same thing on obstruction. Your credibility is done. Boys who cried wolf...

 

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Fair enough Castanza - perfectly reasonable viewpoint.

 

Washington, DC is a swamp with a lot of sleazy politicians and a dishonest media. Trump threatens the power chain in DC and is not

beholden to any of them. They hate him - always have always will. Trump knows how to fight them and it gets ugly. So many of the

power players do not care about the truth - only winning at any costs counts to them. You actually need a Donald Trump that knows

how to hit below the belt if you want to expose any of their nonsense.

 

Kinda like you needed Dirty Harry to clean up both criminals and a crooked police force. Fight fire with fire.

My understanding of modern politics is limited but I try to be a student of history. Your comment reminded me of what looks like to be, on the surface, an insignificant detail.

 

In 1859, Abraham Lincoln was slowly rising among the Republican ranks. He participated in famous debates against Senator Douglas during the Illinois Senate Campaign. Lincoln was supported by owner and editor of the Chicago Tribune, Joseph Medill who suggested to Lincoln, concerning the upcoming challenge with Douglas: "I have only one word more of advice to offer viz: Go in boldly, strike straight from the shoulder, – hit below the belt as well as above, and kick like thunder." (my bold) Instead Lincoln used a respectful approach based on historical and constitutional standards. He lost the Senate election but revealed human dimensions that were to become essential in reuniting the house divided upon itself.

 

When questioned about the fair approach taken against Douglas and later on when there came potential infringements on the Constitution, Lincoln reportedly mentioned that Douglas' fundamental flaw was that he had put morality out of the question.

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When questioned about the fair approach taken against Douglas and later on when there came potential infringements on the Constitution, Lincoln reportedly mentioned that Douglas' fundamental flaw was that he had put morality out of the question.

 

As honorable as Lincoln was, his "high road" political approach wouldn't work today.

 

Unfortunately, this is modern day politics in America.

 

John McCain and Mitt Romney would not stoop to new lows established by their Democratic opponents - and were obliterated in the US Presidential elections of 2008 and 2012.

Like Lincoln, they choose to take the high road - but lost in the end.

 

In the 2008 campaign, the Obama campaign regularly insinuated the McCain was too old, and appeared senile.

McCain, not wanting to stoop to lows, refused to make Obama's associations with his spiritual advisor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright an issue or

in his association with bomb making radical, Bill Ayers. Both legitimate game.

 

Romney, same issue - Obama campaign paints Romey as a capricious & racists capitalist that only cares about bankrupting companies and

putting workers on the street.  Romney, too, takes the high road and refuses to get down in the dirt. By that time, Obama's record of

using identity politics as a weapon was effective - and totally fair game.

 

These Democratic tactics did not work with Trump the counter puncher.

 

 

 

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When questioned about the fair approach taken against Douglas and later on when there came potential infringements on the Constitution, Lincoln reportedly mentioned that Douglas' fundamental flaw was that he had put morality out of the question.

 

As honorable as Lincoln was, his "high road" political approach wouldn't work today.

 

Unfortunately, this is modern day politics in America.

 

John McCain and Mitt Romney would not stoop to new lows established by their Democratic opponents - and were obliterated in the US Presidential elections of 2008 and 2012.

Like Lincoln, they choose to take the high road - but lost in the end.

 

In the 2008 campaign, the Obama campaign regularly insinuated the McCain was too old, and appeared senile.

McCain, not wanting to stoop to lows, refused to make Obama's associations with his spiritual advisor, Reverend Jeremiah Wright an issue or

in his association with bomb making radical, Bill Ayers. Both legitimate game.

 

Romney, same issue - Obama campaign paints Romey as a capricious & racists capitalist that only cares about bankrupting companies and

putting workers on the street.  Romney, too, takes the high road and refuses to get down in the dirt. By that time, Obama's record of

using identity politics as a weapon was effective - and totally fair game.

 

These Democratic tactics did not work with Trump the counter puncher.

 

I agree and disagree. Although culture has changed, human psychology has not. If you go back and look at the Lincoln campaigns they were absolutely brutal. The slanders, ads, lies, false information, and many other things present in the media were just as bad if not worse (culturally speaking) than things are today. I will say hysteria is easier to spread today and it seems to be magnified with MSM and social media.

 

Honestly, McCain nor Romney were good candidates and that alone is why they lost. Looking at both of them now (rip McCain), I'm glad neither of them became POTUS. Might have been better than Obama though!

 

a quick example: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/06/abraham-lincoln-is-an-idiot/309304/

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State Rep. Jim Lower​, calling himself a ​”​pro-Trump, pro-life, pro-jobs, pro-Second Amendment, pro-family values Republican​,” announced on Monday his intention to run against Amash in 2020. ​

I always found this particular brand of irony to be the sweetest  ;D

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Fair enough Castanza - perfectly reasonable viewpoint.

 

Washington, DC is a swamp with a lot of sleazy politicians and a dishonest media. Trump threatens the power chain in DC and is not

beholden to any of them. They hate him - always have always will. Trump knows how to fight them and it gets ugly. So many of the

power players do not care about the truth - only winning at any costs counts to them. You actually need a Donald Trump that knows

how to hit below the belt if you want to expose any of their nonsense.

 

Kinda like you needed Dirty Harry to clean up both criminals and a crooked police force. Fight fire with fire.

 

The swamp is not draining. If you want to look at whether the awamp is draining , you need to look at the amount  ($) of water going in and it is rising. In fact it appear like it is rising particularly well, when the Republicans are in power:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/257337/total-lobbying-spending-in-the-us/

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Agree - the swamp is not draining - Trump has the fight of his life on his hands everyday.

 

Your assumption and belief is that Trump isn't part of the swamp.  He's the outsider, but the man has lived his whole life in the Bayou!  His nickname should be the "Alligator Whisperer". 

 

Offering constitutional immunity to McGahn should tell you how humid it is in the White house these days.  The epitome of graft, deceit and disparity between the rich and poor in the U.S. sits on the Iron Thone in Washington.  Cheers! 

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What we need in Washington are more endless investigates against Trump - start them on Inaguration Day and finish them

at the end of his 2nd term.  8 years of Presidential harassment - that will be the new way for the left to never have to

admit the Trump is a legitimate President.

 

Just think, they will never have to face the realities of why they lost the elections.

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