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The legislation -- House Bill 314, "Human Life Protection Act" -- bans all abortions in the state except when "abortion is necessary in order to prevent a serious health risk" to the woman, according to the bill's text. It criminalizes the procedure, reclassifying abortion as a Class A felony, punishable by up to 99 years in prison for doctors. Attempted abortions will be reclassified as a Class C penalty.

Alabama's ban is the latest in an onslaught of state-level anti-abortion measures that activists hope will be taken up by the Supreme Court and potentially overturn Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 decision that protects a woman's right to the procedure. Last week, Georgia Governor Brian Kemp signed into law the state's so-called "fetal heartbeat" bill, a measure that will prohibit abortions after a heartbeat is detected in an embryo, which is typically five to six weeks into a pregnancy, and before most women know that they're pregnant. The state was the sixth to pass such a law, and the fourth this year alone.

Republican Senator Clyde Chambliss argued that the ban was still fair to victims of rape and incest because those women would still be allowed to get an abortion "until she knows she's pregnant," a statement that garnered a mixture of groans and cackles from the chamber's gallery.

 

There's a saying that goes something like, "You can't stop women from having abortions, but you can stop women from having safe, legal abortions"

 

Also, the last quote from that senator has got to be some of the most self-righteous baloney I've read in a while.

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The legislation -- House Bill 314, "Human Life Protection Act" -- bans all abortions in the state except when "abortion is necessary in order to prevent a serious health risk" to the woman, according to the bill's text. It criminalizes the procedure, reclassifying abortion as a Class A felony, punishable by up to 99 years in prison for doctors. Attempted abortions will be reclassified as a Class C penalty.

Alabama's ban is the latest in an onslaught of state-level anti-abortion measures that activists hope will be taken up by the Supreme Court and potentially overturn Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 decision that protects a woman's right to the procedure. Last week, Georgia Governor Brian Kemp signed into law the state's so-called "fetal heartbeat" bill, a measure that will prohibit abortions after a heartbeat is detected in an embryo, which is typically five to six weeks into a pregnancy, and before most women know that they're pregnant. The state was the sixth to pass such a law, and the fourth this year alone.

Republican Senator Clyde Chambliss argued that the ban was still fair to victims of rape and incest because those women would still be allowed to get an abortion "until she knows she's pregnant," a statement that garnered a mixture of groans and cackles from the chamber's gallery.

 

There's a saying that goes something like, "You can't stop women from having abortions, but you can stop women from having safe, legal abortions"

 

Also, the last quote from that senator has got to be some of the most self-righteous baloney I've read in a while.

 

Let's see how long the ban lasts if women withhold sex in Alabama!  Cheers!

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As someone who used to be on the fence with abortion (but now more in the pro-life camp), why should a human be allowed to kill another human?

 

Again, I don't know why this discussion is always decided by men, but get knocked up without consent at 16 by your uncle and ask me the same question!

 

We murder millions in the name of war, race and creed, including allowing assault rifles in homes, and we decry abortion.  Cheers!

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As someone who used to be on the fence with abortion (but now more in the pro-life camp), why should a human be allowed to kill another human?

 

Again, I don't know why this discussion is always decided by men, but get knocked up without consent at 16 by your uncle and ask me the same question!

 

We murder millions in the name of war, race and creed, including allowing assault rifles in homes, and we decry abortion.  Cheers!

 

Right, we should not decide this question (or any) by gender. We should have the conversation around logic and values.

 

So, you'd be okay with abortion being illegal except in case of rape, incest or if the mother's life is in danger?

 

I also don't understand that the comment about this discussion is "always being decided by men." That to me is an emotional set up.

For instance, should the way parents treat their children only be decided by parents? Logic, reason and values should lead a discussion - not identity.

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This is ridiculous. Criminalizing abortion brings Alabama back to the dark ages. Birth control should be a right for all women around the globe. Kudos to the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation.

 

I believe there is a difference in birth control and a human killing another human, isn't there?  ???

 

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The legislation -- House Bill 314, "Human Life Protection Act" -- bans all abortions in the state except when "abortion is necessary in order to prevent a serious health risk" to the woman, according to the bill's text. It criminalizes the procedure, reclassifying abortion as a Class A felony, punishable by up to 99 years in prison for doctors. Attempted abortions will be reclassified as a Class C penalty.

Alabama's ban is the latest in an onslaught of state-level anti-abortion measures that activists hope will be taken up by the Supreme Court and potentially overturn Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 decision that protects a woman's right to the procedure. Last week, Georgia Governor Brian Kemp signed into law the state's so-called "fetal heartbeat" bill, a measure that will prohibit abortions after a heartbeat is detected in an embryo, which is typically five to six weeks into a pregnancy, and before most women know that they're pregnant. The state was the sixth to pass such a law, and the fourth this year alone.

Republican Senator Clyde Chambliss argued that the ban was still fair to victims of rape and incest because those women would still be allowed to get an abortion "until she knows she's pregnant," a statement that garnered a mixture of groans and cackles from the chamber's gallery.

 

There's a saying that goes something like, "You can't stop women from having abortions, but you can stop women from having safe, legal abortions"

 

Also, the last quote from that senator has got to be some of the most self-righteous baloney I've read in a while.

 

Let's see how long the ban lasts if women withhold sex in Alabama!  Cheers!

 

That's quite an objectifying comment regarding both men and women.

 

Again, I don't know why this discussion is always decided by men, but get knocked up without consent at 16 by your uncle and ask me the same question!

 

We murder millions in the name of war, race and creed, including allowing assault rifles in homes, and we decry abortion.  Cheers!

 

The girl would be allowed to have an abortion in that instance. Also what do you believe is so dangerous about "assault rifles"? Fun fact, more people were killed by hammers and dressers than rifles. What do you think the second amendment should cover?

 

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The legislation -- House Bill 314, "Human Life Protection Act" -- bans all abortions in the state except when "abortion is necessary in order to prevent a serious health risk" to the woman, according to the bill's text. It criminalizes the procedure, reclassifying abortion as a Class A felony, punishable by up to 99 years in prison for doctors. Attempted abortions will be reclassified as a Class C penalty.

Alabama's ban is the latest in an onslaught of state-level anti-abortion measures that activists hope will be taken up by the Supreme Court and potentially overturn Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 decision that protects a woman's right to the procedure. Last week, Georgia Governor Brian Kemp signed into law the state's so-called "fetal heartbeat" bill, a measure that will prohibit abortions after a heartbeat is detected in an embryo, which is typically five to six weeks into a pregnancy, and before most women know that they're pregnant. The state was the sixth to pass such a law, and the fourth this year alone.

Republican Senator Clyde Chambliss argued that the ban was still fair to victims of rape and incest because those women would still be allowed to get an abortion "until she knows she's pregnant," a statement that garnered a mixture of groans and cackles from the chamber's gallery.

 

There's a saying that goes something like, "You can't stop women from having abortions, but you can stop women from having safe, legal abortions"

 

Also, the last quote from that senator has got to be some of the most self-righteous baloney I've read in a while.

 

Let me change it for you. "You can't stop women from murdering unborn children, but you can stop them from doing it legally."

 

legality /== morality

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As someone who used to be on the fence with abortion (but now more in the pro-life camp), why should a human be allowed to kill another human?

 

Again, I don't know why this discussion is always decided by men, but get knocked up without consent at 16 by your uncle and ask me the same question!

 

We murder millions in the name of war, race and creed, including allowing assault rifles in homes, and we decry abortion.  Cheers!

 

Hey it is your message board but this has to be top 10 for worst comments of the year. 

 

Seriously.  Let's see. Do women have the right to vote in Alabama?  Do they have the right to vote for men?  What gender is the governor?  Are women more pro-life than men?  If someone is the innocent victim of a horrible crime (rape), why is it an acceptable solution/response to harm (kill) another innocent victim? 

 

That is not at all to minimize the difficulty of carrying the baby,but your acceptable solution is barbaric.  Do we actually murder millions in the name of war, race and creed?  Do you actually fail to see the difference between killing in war and murder?  Is your logical argument that since we kill in the name of war, race or creed, what is the big deal about killing unborn babies?  Seriously???  Do you know how many are killed each year by assault rifles, race, creed and war in or by the US versus abortion in the US alone?  Do you think the numbers are even remotely close?

   

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As someone who used to be on the fence with abortion (but now more in the pro-life camp), why should a human be allowed to kill another human?

 

Again, I don't know why this discussion is always decided by men, but get knocked up without consent at 16 by your uncle and ask me the same question!

 

We murder millions in the name of war, race and creed, including allowing assault rifles in homes, and we decry abortion.  Cheers!

 

Hey it is your message board but this has to be top 10 for worst comments of the year. 

 

Seriously.  Let's see. Do women have the right to vote in Alabama?  Do they have the right to vote for men?  What gender is the governor?  Are women more pro-life than men?  If someone is the innocent victim of a horrible crime (rape), why is it an acceptable solution/response to harm (kill) another innocent victim? 

 

That is not at all to minimize the difficulty of carrying the baby,but your acceptable solution is barbaric.  Do we actually murder millions in the name of war, race and creed?  Do you actually fail to see the difference between killing in war and murder?  Is your logical argument that since we kill in the name of war, race or creed, what is the big deal about killing unborn babies?  Seriously???  Do you know how many are killed each year by assault rifles, race, creed and war in or by the US versus abortion in the US alone?  Do you think the numbers are even remotely close?

 

 

Only 4 women on the Alabama State Senate...you think that is inclusive in terms of opinion?!  Over half a million people died during the Iraq War...people...living, breathing, working.  And your choice would be to bring in babies that will live in poverty, with parents that aren't prepared to raise them, with little prospect in bettering their lives over time.  The same guys screaming about illegal immigrants and getting them out of here because they are a burden, wants to bring in a million babies a year.  The rights of the living being superceded by the rights of the unborn...and those rights being curtailed mostly by men.  Cheers!

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The girl would be allowed to have an abortion in that instance. - Castanza

 

Actually, no they would not.  Only if the mother's life is at risk from an ectopic pregnancy or lethal anomaly.  Rape and incest would not qualify...Democrats introduced an amendment and it was voted down.  Cheers!

 

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So, you'd be okay with abortion being illegal except in case of rape, incest or if the mother's life is in danger? - stahleyP

 

I'm ok with WOMEN making informed decisions about THEIR body (pregnant or otherwise)...period!  Cheers!

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So, you'd be okay with abortion being illegal except in case of rape, incest or if the mother's life is in danger? - stahleyP

 

I'm ok with WOMEN making informed decisions about THEIR body (pregnant or otherwise)...period!  Cheers!

 

We're in agreement with the bolded. If they did the number of abortions would be significantly lower.

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As someone who used to be on the fence with abortion (but now more in the pro-life camp), why should a human be allowed to kill another human?

 

Again, I don't know why this discussion is always decided by men, but get knocked up without consent at 16 by your uncle and ask me the same question!

 

We murder millions in the name of war, race and creed, including allowing assault rifles in homes, and we decry abortion.  Cheers!

 

Hey it is your message board but this has to be top 10 for worst comments of the year. 

 

Seriously.  Let's see. Do women have the right to vote in Alabama?  Do they have the right to vote for men?  What gender is the governor?  Are women more pro-life than men?  If someone is the innocent victim of a horrible crime (rape), why is it an acceptable solution/response to harm (kill) another innocent victim? 

 

That is not at all to minimize the difficulty of carrying the baby,but your acceptable solution is barbaric.  Do we actually murder millions in the name of war, race and creed?  Do you actually fail to see the difference between killing in war and murder?  Is your logical argument that since we kill in the name of war, race or creed, what is the big deal about killing unborn babies?  Seriously???  Do you know how many are killed each year by assault rifles, race, creed and war in or by the US versus abortion in the US alone?  Do you think the numbers are even remotely close?

 

 

Only 4 women on the Alabama State Senate...you think that is inclusive in terms of opinion?!  Over half a million people died during the Iraq War...people...living, breathing, working.  And your choice would be to bring in babies that will live in poverty, with parents that aren't prepared to raise them, with little prospect in bettering their lives over time.  The same guys screaming about illegal immigrants and getting them out of here because they are a burden, wants to bring in a million babies a year.  The rights of the living being superceded by the rights of the unborn...and those rights being curtailed mostly by men.  Cheers!

 

Please think about what you are saying?  The legislative body represents Alabama, male and female.  Does a legislative body have to include those who are impacted?  Are there any unborn children in the Senate?  How can they vote on children's issues?  Are there illegal immigrants?  how can they vote on illegal immigration?  Your argument is horribly weak.   

 

Half a million died in the Iraq War over a decade.  640,000 unborn people die per year.  That is ten times the Iraq War.  Ten times.  There is a massive wait for newborn adoptions.  It is an ignorant argument to assume they would live in poverty.  It is untrue. 

 

Science and religion both understand that the unborn child is a person and living.  It is not superceding of rights.  You don't have the moral right to kill an innocent person.  It is quite simple. 

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The girl would be allowed to have an abortion in that instance. - Castanza

 

Actually, no they would not.  Only if the mother's life is at risk from an ectopic pregnancy or lethal anomaly.  Rape and incest would not qualify...Democrats introduced an amendment and it was voted down.  Cheers!

 

You're right, I overlooked the rape and incest part. Read the headline wrong. And I agree this should be amended. One big issue is the adoption system in the US is terribly difficult to navigate. It should be much easier to adopt.

 

And to your comment above. Being alive and living in poverty will always be better than death. This is also ignoring the fact that the poorest living standards in America are often hundreds of times better than the best living conditions in many parts of the world. Maybe we should just start executing some of these children who are held up in orphanages or the ones who are bouncing from foster home to foster home. Maybe the poor kid who lives in Nowheresville  Mississippi who's parents "home school" them, beat them, and are probably preventing them from having any type of quality life.

 

We can't legislate our way out of the unfairness of life.

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Wonder how many of these anti abortion people agree with capital punishment?

 

How about shooting immigrants at the border?

 

How many have assault rifles in their homes to protect themselves from those pesky immigrants?

 

Wonder how people supporting this bill would feel if their sister, mother, wife was raped and impregnated by an illegal? 

 

 

 

 

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Wonder how many of these anti abortion people agree with capital punishment?

 

How about shooting immigrants at the border?

 

How many have assault rifles in their homes to protect themselves from those pesky immigrants?

 

Wonder how people supporting this bill would feel if their sister, mother, wife was raped and impregnated by an illegal?

 

Assault rifles have been banned since the 80's.

 

And for the record the 2nd amendment scales with technology. It's the same reason the first amendment covers more than smoke signals and carrier pigeons.

 

I'm not for capital punishment in most situations. And I'm certainly not for life terms in prison either. Prison and punishment have their place, but are far overdone in the US (drug related crimes especially)

 

I have no problem with immigrants either. I certainly don't believe they should be shot. But that has nothing to do with immigration standards (which every other country in the world has, many of which are much stricter than the US.)

 

Here is what's sad. People care more about unborn animals than they do unborn humans. Smash and eagle egg and wind up with 150k fine and 10 years in prison. Abort a baby or advocate for the continual murder of 600k babies a year and receive all types of praise, acknowledgment  etc for your "bravery."

 

What a time to be alive! 

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So, you'd be okay with abortion being illegal except in case of rape, incest or if the mother's life is in danger? - stahleyP

 

I'm ok with WOMEN making informed decisions about THEIR body (pregnant or otherwise)...period!  Cheers!

 

Are you okay with parents making informed decisions about their children (abuse or otherwise)? It's just a difference in stage of life and location.

 

Further, the other human is not their body. It is in their body - but not the same thing. It has its own DNA, fingers, toes, etc (depending on the part of its development). At least be logically consistent here man!

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Wonder how many of these anti abortion people agree with capital punishment?

 

How about shooting immigrants at the border?

 

How many have assault rifles in their homes to protect themselves from those pesky immigrants?

 

Wonder how people supporting this bill would feel if their sister, mother, wife was raped and impregnated by an illegal?

 

I don't have a strong view of capital punishment either way but are you really saying an innocent unborn human deserves the same treatment as a criminal - involuntary termination?

 

I don't know of anyone, personally, that wants to shoot immigrants. However, if you're pro-choice and feel that it's okay for one person to take another's life, why would you have any problem shooting immigrants?

 

I know plenty of people who have guns and none of them are trying to protect themselves from immigrants. Not a single one.

 

I'd personally feel the same about a person whether or not they're an "illegal" if they did that to a loved one.

 

By the way, what does immigration have to do with abortion?  :o

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Let's start with something easy.

 

It is illegal to stop life of a premature baby in an incubator or unable to live without the machine. Then why should it be legal to conduct abortion in late pregnancy?

 

After we have gotten through the logic of this then we may tackle tougher debates.

 

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As someone who used to be on the fence with abortion (but now more in the pro-life camp), why should a human be allowed to kill another human?

 

Again, I don't know why this discussion is always decided by men, but get knocked up without consent at 16 by your uncle and ask me the same question!

 

We murder millions in the name of war, race and creed, including allowing assault rifles in homes, and we decry abortion.  Cheers!

 

Hey it is your message board but this has to be top 10 for worst comments of the year. 

 

Seriously.  Let's see. Do women have the right to vote in Alabama?  Do they have the right to vote for men?  What gender is the governor?  Are women more pro-life than men?  If someone is the innocent victim of a horrible crime (rape), why is it an acceptable solution/response to harm (kill) another innocent victim? 

 

That is not at all to minimize the difficulty of carrying the baby,but your acceptable solution is barbaric.  Do we actually murder millions in the name of war, race and creed?  Do you actually fail to see the difference between killing in war and murder?  Is your logical argument that since we kill in the name of war, race or creed, what is the big deal about killing unborn babies?  Seriously???  Do you know how many are killed each year by assault rifles, race, creed and war in or by the US versus abortion in the US alone?  Do you think the numbers are even remotely close?

 

 

Only 4 women on the Alabama State Senate...you think that is inclusive in terms of opinion?!  Over half a million people died during the Iraq War...people...living, breathing, working.  And your choice would be to bring in babies that will live in poverty, with parents that aren't prepared to raise them, with little prospect in bettering their lives over time.  The same guys screaming about illegal immigrants and getting them out of here because they are a burden, wants to bring in a million babies a year.  The rights of the living being superceded by the rights of the unborn...and those rights being curtailed mostly by men.  Cheers!

 

Please think about what you are saying?  The legislative body represents Alabama, male and female.  Does a legislative body have to include those who are impacted?  Are there any unborn children in the Senate?  How can they vote on children's issues?  Are there illegal immigrants?  how can they vote on illegal immigration?  Your argument is horribly weak.   

 

Half a million died in the Iraq War over a decade.  640,000 unborn people die per year.  That is ten times the Iraq War.  Ten times.  There is a massive wait for newborn adoptions.  It is an ignorant argument to assume they would live in poverty.  It is untrue. 

 

Science and religion both understand that the unborn child is a person and living.  It is not superceding of rights.  You don't have the moral right to kill an innocent person.  It is quite simple.

 

Your argument is nonsensical!  If a legislative body decides that only 9-year old boys can perform surgery...you believe that decision is ok and representative of the population’s opinion?  The irrational continuation of your thought would be “this impacts 9-year old boys, their lives and careers.  Should patients actually have any say when the legislators were elected?!”

 

Of the 640,000 abortions less than 2% occur when the fetus has a chance of survival...24 weeks. 

 

Science also recognizes patients that are brain dead but have a heart beat.  Are you suggesting any form of palliative care, assisted suicide or mercy killing is completely wrong...including pulling the plug on brain-dead patients?  Cheers!

 

 

 

 

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Let's start with something easy.

 

It is illegal to stop life of a premature baby in an incubator or unable to live without the machine. Then why should it be legal to conduct abortion in late pregnancy?

 

After we have gotten through the logic of this then we may tackle tougher debates.

 

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That’s not true.  If brain activity ceases they can take the child off of a respirator.

 

A fetus at 20 weeks cannot survive outside of the womb.  A fetus has a functioning heart after the 12th week of pregnancy...a functioning brain at 16 weeks.  It is not a living, breathing human being until it gets to a viable stage of survival...20 weeks.  Cheers!

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Wonder how many of these anti abortion people agree with capital punishment?

 

How about shooting immigrants at the border?

 

How many have assault rifles in their homes to protect themselves from those pesky immigrants?

 

Wonder how people supporting this bill would feel if their sister, mother, wife was raped and impregnated by an illegal?

 

Assault rifles have been banned since the 80's.

 

And for the record the 2nd amendment scales with technology. It's the same reason the first amendment covers more than smoke signals and carrier pigeons.

 

What a time to be alive!

 

Assualt rifles are banned?  whut, Whut, WHUT?  I don't think that is the case.  Perhaps in CA perhaps?  They certainly are not banned in TX or MI.

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Your argument is nonsensical!  If a legislative body decides that only 9-year old boys can perform surgery...you believe that decision is ok and representative of the population’s opinion?  The irrational continuation of your thought would be “this impacts 9-year old boys, their lives and careers.  Should patients actually have any say when the legislators were elected?!”

 

Of the 640,000 abortions less than 2% occur when the fetus has a chance of survival...24 weeks. 

 

Science also recognizes patients that are brain dead but have a heart beat.  Are you suggesting any form of palliative care, assisted suicide or mercy killing is completely wrong...including pulling the plug on brain-dead patients?  Cheers!

 

What in the world are you talking about?  I will not waste time trying to have a rational discussion with someone who isn't.  Good day.

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