Gregmal Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 ....imagine if some white director said that? https://www.yahoo.com/movies/jordan-peele-says-cant-see-casting-white-dude-lead-one-movies-104449527.html This guy is a hero though.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafetyinNumbers Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 ....imagine if some white director said that? https://www.yahoo.com/movies/jordan-peele-says-cant-see-casting-white-dude-lead-one-movies-104449527.html This guy is a hero though.... I haven't read many posts on the political side of this message board before so at the risk of being ignorant, I'm curious Gregmal, what do you think of the "privilege" concept? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsad Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 ....imagine if some white director said that? https://www.yahoo.com/movies/jordan-peele-says-cant-see-casting-white-dude-lead-one-movies-104449527.html This guy is a hero though.... But they do say that and they do that as well! How is it that blacks, hispanics and asians make up nearly 50% of the U.S. population, but less than 15% of the actors, writers, directors and producers? The gains for women in those areas has been far faster than for minorities. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted March 27, 2019 Author Share Posted March 27, 2019 ....imagine if some white director said that? https://www.yahoo.com/movies/jordan-peele-says-cant-see-casting-white-dude-lead-one-movies-104449527.html This guy is a hero though.... I haven't read many posts on the political side of this message board before so at the risk of being ignorant, I'm curious Gregmal, what do you think of the "privilege" concept? For starters, the politics section is not for the faint of heart. A lot of people here cant deal with the discussions that go on, or the folks who participate. So proceed at your own peril, you've been warned! In regards to privilege, I think it's a crock. I think every individual has the right to do whatever they want, provided it doesnt encroach upon someone else's pursuit of happiness and freedoms. I also believe in he who has the gold makes the rules. At least in terms of things like this. My purpose for highlighting this, was that a white guy who said this would be out of a job and branded a racist, while this guy openly gloats... Peele is gifted, and in his industry, has the gold. So he can and should be able to cast whoever he wants. The box offices results should be all that dictates whether he is right or wrong. I just think its crazy that some can say these things but others have their careers ruined. How can everyone be equal(pretty much everything the left claims to stand for) when they openly champion such hypocritical and divise rhetoric and positions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsad Posted March 27, 2019 Share Posted March 27, 2019 ....imagine if some white director said that? https://www.yahoo.com/movies/jordan-peele-says-cant-see-casting-white-dude-lead-one-movies-104449527.html This guy is a hero though.... I haven't read many posts on the political side of this message board before so at the risk of being ignorant, I'm curious Gregmal, what do you think of the "privilege" concept? For starters, the politics section is not for the faint of heart. A lot of people here cant deal with the discussions that go on, or the folks who participate. So proceed at your own peril, you've been warned! In regards to privilege, I think it's a crock. I think every individual has the right to do whatever they want, provided it doesnt encroach upon someone else's pursuit of happiness and freedoms. I also believe in he who has the gold makes the rules. At least in terms of things like this. My purpose for highlighting this, was that a white guy who said this would be out of a job and branded a racist, while this guy openly gloats... Peele is gifted, and in his industry, has the gold. So he can and should be able to cast whoever he wants. The box offices results should be all that dictates whether he is right or wrong. I just think its crazy that some can say these things but others have their careers ruined. How can everyone be equal(pretty much everything the left claims to stand for) when they openly champion such hypocritical and divise rhetoric and positions? I'm not a fan of Peele's...I thought Key & Peele was average and "Get Out" was well-done but full of racial stereotypes. I also don't agree with him making such comments. I'm just giving you a possible reason why he's making such comments...that he finally has some clout and he wants to employ more minorities. This is not new...Spike Lee said it a long-time ago. Tyler Perry said it a decade ago. And now Jordan Peele is saying it. And while you might cry out "bias", "rhetoric", "divisive" and whatever else you choose. The fact remains that after over 30 years after "Do The Right Thing", the imbalances still exist in dramatic fashion. Are things changing...yes to a certain degree...but proportionate to the population? Not even close yet. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafetyinNumbers Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 ....imagine if some white director said that? https://www.yahoo.com/movies/jordan-peele-says-cant-see-casting-white-dude-lead-one-movies-104449527.html This guy is a hero though.... I haven't read many posts on the political side of this message board before so at the risk of being ignorant, I'm curious Gregmal, what do you think of the "privilege" concept? For starters, the politics section is not for the faint of heart. A lot of people here cant deal with the discussions that go on, or the folks who participate. So proceed at your own peril, you've been warned! In regards to privilege, I think it's a crock. I think every individual has the right to do whatever they want, provided it doesnt encroach upon someone else's pursuit of happiness and freedoms. I also believe in he who has the gold makes the rules. At least in terms of things like this. My purpose for highlighting this, was that a white guy who said this would be out of a job and branded a racist, while this guy openly gloats... Peele is gifted, and in his industry, has the gold. So he can and should be able to cast whoever he wants. The box offices results should be all that dictates whether he is right or wrong. I just think its crazy that some can say these things but others have their careers ruined. How can everyone be equal(pretty much everything the left claims to stand for) when they openly champion such hypocritical and divise rhetoric and positions? So do you believe that every person starts life at the same point? No one has any advantages or disadvantages versus everyone born ever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spekulatius Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 It seems to me that black peoples are well represented at least as actors. You also see more and more Asian actors, although they tend to be a bit stereotyped. What seems to me underrepresented are Hispanics, but this may be because Hispanics like to watch Mexican movies in Spanish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted March 28, 2019 Author Share Posted March 28, 2019 Absolutely not, but thats life. If I get in legal trouble tomorrow, I cant call Obama and have him get my charges dropped. Others can. Privilege? Nope, just how life works. Creating these stupid terms and trying to shame people for doing things they have every right to do, is silly. This notion of "privilege" was just a term coined by the lefties to justify treating people different. To perpetuate identity politics. You can wear your hair however you want. My daughter wants braids and she's "appropriating someones culture", a racist, etc. The key theme is that these rules only apply in one direction. Tommy Hilfiger's clothes weren't meant for certain people apparently. As such he's a racist, his brands are dropped, and in comes clothes that are made "For Us, By Us"... There will always be people who get the short end of the stick. Some will be more fortunate than others. Putting these restrictions around people doesnt change that. If anyone is still clearly getting the short end of the stick, it's Asians, and Jews. Probably even women too, but in a different way. But the left just likes to push their favorite colors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsad Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 It seems to me that black peoples are well represented at least as actors. You also see more and more Asian actors, although they tend to be a bit stereotyped. What seems to me underrepresented are Hispanics, but this may be because Hispanics like to watch Mexican movies in Spanish? Actually Asians are the least represented relative to population numbers in the United States. That's why "Crazy Rich Asians" was received so well when it became a success. Blacks are represented reasonably well as actors...you are correct there...but it took a long-time, and they are still extremely under represented as writers, directors and producers. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafetyinNumbers Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Absolutely not, but thats life. If I get in legal trouble tomorrow, I cant call Obama and have him get my charges dropped. Others can. Privilege? Nope, just how life works. Creating these stupid terms and trying to shame people for doing things they have every right to do, is silly. This notion of "privilege" was just a term coined by the lefties to justify treating people different. To perpetuate identity politics. You can wear your hair however you want. My daughter wants braids and she's "appropriating someones culture", a racist, etc. The key theme is that these rules only apply in one direction. Tommy Hilfiger's clothes weren't meant for certain people apparently. As such he's a racist, his brands are dropped, and in comes clothes that are made "For Us, By Us"... There will always be people who get the short end of the stick. Some will be more fortunate than others. Putting these restrictions around people doesnt change that. If anyone is still clearly getting the short end of the stick, it's Asians, and Jews. Probably even women too, but in a different way. But the left just likes to push their favorite colors. That's probably easier to say from your perspective than someone else's, right? If you get in legal problems and lose all of your capital it will be your fault. No one should bail you out. However, if you started as the daughter of a single mother who is both an orphan and a crack addict, would you have the same perspective? Would you ask for any help? Let's say you were super intelligent and you knew you had to find a new home to be safe. Would you ask for any help then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsad Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Absolutely not, but thats life. If I get in legal trouble tomorrow, I cant call Obama and have him get my charges dropped. Others can. Privilege? Nope, just how life works. Creating these stupid terms and trying to shame people for doing things they have every right to do, is silly. Why would you call Obama? He's not President. Why would you not say "call Trump?" You talk about the lefties and their biases. You can't even spit out a sentence without referencing Obama. Why does he make you so mad? Even Trump doesn't get me that mad...in fact he's such a loony, he often makes me laugh and chuckle. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted March 28, 2019 Author Share Posted March 28, 2019 Absolutely not, but thats life. If I get in legal trouble tomorrow, I cant call Obama and have him get my charges dropped. Others can. Privilege? Nope, just how life works. Creating these stupid terms and trying to shame people for doing things they have every right to do, is silly. This notion of "privilege" was just a term coined by the lefties to justify treating people different. To perpetuate identity politics. You can wear your hair however you want. My daughter wants braids and she's "appropriating someones culture", a racist, etc. The key theme is that these rules only apply in one direction. Tommy Hilfiger's clothes weren't meant for certain people apparently. As such he's a racist, his brands are dropped, and in comes clothes that are made "For Us, By Us"... There will always be people who get the short end of the stick. Some will be more fortunate than others. Putting these restrictions around people doesnt change that. If anyone is still clearly getting the short end of the stick, it's Asians, and Jews. Probably even women too, but in a different way. But the left just likes to push their favorite colors. That's probably easier to say from your perspective than someone else's, right? If you get in legal problems and lose all of your capital it will be your fault. No one should bail you out. However, if you started as the daughter of a single mother who is both an orphan and a crack addict, would you have the same perspective? Would you ask for any help? Let's say you were super intelligent and you knew you had to find a new home to be safe. Would you ask for any help then? Probably, but I only live my life. I dont go around trying to live everyone else's. I dont care to tell everyone else how to live their lives either. If I ever got in trouble, I'd love to have Obama bail me out. If I couldn't, my best course of action would be doing what is within my means. For everyone, that is potentially something different. But it's silly not to realize the reality is that some have it easier than others. Creating these labels to try to divide and shame them for it though is just juvenile and probably rooted in jealousy. Better to just buckle up, accept reality, and try to make the best of your own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted March 28, 2019 Author Share Posted March 28, 2019 Absolutely not, but thats life. If I get in legal trouble tomorrow, I cant call Obama and have him get my charges dropped. Others can. Privilege? Nope, just how life works. Creating these stupid terms and trying to shame people for doing things they have every right to do, is silly. Why would you call Obama? He's not President. Why would you not say "call Trump?" You talk about the lefties and their biases. You can't even spit out a sentence without referencing Obama. Why does he make you so mad? Even Trump doesn't get me that mad...in fact he's such a loony, he often makes me laugh and chuckle. Cheers! I bring up Obama because we literally just had a guy in Chicago phone the Obama's and then have all his charges dropped... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RhubarbXIV Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 There will always be people who get the short end of the stick. Some will be more fortunate than others. I think this is a very succinct definition of privilege, in fact. Privilege is the passive act of NOT getting the short end of the proverbial stick. Following an earlier quote, "he who has the gold makes the rules." That certainly seems to be true. Oddly, "the gold" is concentrated among white males to the point of statistical absurdity (at least in the US, where I'm from). Doesn't that ignite some kind of curiosity? Does that not beg the question "what if this were not so?" Or, "how would a more equitable society function?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsad Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Absolutely not, but thats life. If I get in legal trouble tomorrow, I cant call Obama and have him get my charges dropped. Others can. Privilege? Nope, just how life works. Creating these stupid terms and trying to shame people for doing things they have every right to do, is silly. This notion of "privilege" was just a term coined by the lefties to justify treating people different. To perpetuate identity politics. You can wear your hair however you want. My daughter wants braids and she's "appropriating someones culture", a racist, etc. The key theme is that these rules only apply in one direction. Tommy Hilfiger's clothes weren't meant for certain people apparently. As such he's a racist, his brands are dropped, and in comes clothes that are made "For Us, By Us"... There will always be people who get the short end of the stick. Some will be more fortunate than others. Putting these restrictions around people doesnt change that. If anyone is still clearly getting the short end of the stick, it's Asians, and Jews. Probably even women too, but in a different way. But the left just likes to push their favorite colors. That's probably easier to say from your perspective than someone else's, right? If you get in legal problems and lose all of your capital it will be your fault. No one should bail you out. However, if you started as the daughter of a single mother who is both an orphan and a crack addict, would you have the same perspective? Would you ask for any help? Let's say you were super intelligent and you knew you had to find a new home to be safe. Would you ask for any help then? To tell you the truth, I'm somewhat behind Greg on this one. That being said, I'm not 100% behind Greg either. I've been broke before where I didn't have a nickel to my name, but I never went on welfare, unemployment or did anything illegal. Maybe it was because I was lucky and had two good parents as role models and had good cousins around me, all of us watching each other's backs. I don't fully know. But no one gave me anything, and I didn't take anything. I was lucky that later on I had some good mentors, especially after my Dad died and I was raising my 9-year old brother with my mother. But everything I have today, I made! Not a penny came from my parents or anyone else. And my mother and father are both 3 generations away from indentured laborers who were brought over from India to Fiji...essentially slaves, or pretty close to it...servitude! They married and built a life in Canada. Certainly no privilege...we came through the legal immigration system...my father worked 3 jobs to support the family in the early days...neither ever went on welfare, unemployement insurance and always paid their taxes. That being said, I was broke for a period of time, not my whole life or most of my life. That is profoundly different! I don't know what it feels like to be profiled by police, sit in a segregated classroom, have all of my family put into the residential school system, watch my parents and their parents drink themselves into a stupor night after night...I don't know these things. So while I agree with you Greg to a certain degree...you've probably had difficult moments in your life like everyone, but maybe not to the degree that others have. Sometimes functioning on a daily basis, is the most challenging thing a person wakes up to. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsad Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Absolutely not, but thats life. If I get in legal trouble tomorrow, I cant call Obama and have him get my charges dropped. Others can. Privilege? Nope, just how life works. Creating these stupid terms and trying to shame people for doing things they have every right to do, is silly. Why would you call Obama? He's not President. Why would you not say "call Trump?" You talk about the lefties and their biases. You can't even spit out a sentence without referencing Obama. Why does he make you so mad? Even Trump doesn't get me that mad...in fact he's such a loony, he often makes me laugh and chuckle. Cheers! I bring up Obama because we literally just had a guy in Chicago phone the Obama's and then have all his charges dropped... Ok, again...where did you see that the Obama's were called. Everyone is reporting that one of Michelle Obama's former chief of staff spoke to the prosecutor, but there is no mention of the Obama's themselves intervening in any manner. If they did, then I hope they get in trouble for it, but no one has reported that...not even Fox. Also, Rahm Emmanuel who was Barack's chief of staff is pleading for an investigation, so again, why did you pick the Obama's? If it ain't based on the facts, then what is it? Why this hate on for the Obamas? Alot more spite than even for the Clintons. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafetyinNumbers Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Absolutely not, but thats life. If I get in legal trouble tomorrow, I cant call Obama and have him get my charges dropped. Others can. Privilege? Nope, just how life works. Creating these stupid terms and trying to shame people for doing things they have every right to do, is silly. This notion of "privilege" was just a term coined by the lefties to justify treating people different. To perpetuate identity politics. You can wear your hair however you want. My daughter wants braids and she's "appropriating someones culture", a racist, etc. The key theme is that these rules only apply in one direction. Tommy Hilfiger's clothes weren't meant for certain people apparently. As such he's a racist, his brands are dropped, and in comes clothes that are made "For Us, By Us"... There will always be people who get the short end of the stick. Some will be more fortunate than others. Putting these restrictions around people doesnt change that. If anyone is still clearly getting the short end of the stick, it's Asians, and Jews. Probably even women too, but in a different way. But the left just likes to push their favorite colors. That's probably easier to say from your perspective than someone else's, right? If you get in legal problems and lose all of your capital it will be your fault. No one should bail you out. However, if you started as the daughter of a single mother who is both an orphan and a crack addict, would you have the same perspective? Would you ask for any help? Let's say you were super intelligent and you knew you had to find a new home to be safe. Would you ask for any help then? Probably, but I only live my life. I dont go around trying to live everyone else's. I dont care to tell everyone else how to live their lives either. If I ever got in trouble, I'd love to have Obama bail me out. If I couldn't, my best course of action would be doing what is within my means. For everyone, that is potentially something different. But it's silly not to realize the reality is that some have it easier than others. Creating these labels to try to divide and shame them for it though is just juvenile and probably rooted in jealousy. Better to just buckle up, accept reality, and try to make the best of your own. That's all they are doing. They are experiencing a large inequity and they are asking for help. They think that is the best course of action to be doing with their time. Not all of them, just the ones calling themselves the Social Justice Warriors. They are probably like 1% of whatever identity you are angry at any given time but with social media they are good at getting attention. Sometimes their causes are just and well thought out. Other times they step too far and act foolish. Ironically, the further they reach, the more privilege they have. It's good to see. Society's voices are being heard more than ever. But are there hucksters, users, sociopaths in these groups? Of course. That's the case in every group. I don't know why you don't like to hear it. Maybe you know it to be true but are so proud of having everything that you have and the amazing life you have lived that you think someone is taking that away from you with all of this identity politics (no one is trying to do this). Maybe you know realize that some child is being born today in a very difficult situation and you want to as efficiently as possible help that child as much as possible within reason. Or maybe you prefer not to help that child at all because its not your kid so none of your business. I think the difference between liberals and conservatives lies along that line. People in the middle are the fiscal conservatives who are also socially liberal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsad Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 Absolutely not, but thats life. If I get in legal trouble tomorrow, I cant call Obama and have him get my charges dropped. Others can. Privilege? Nope, just how life works. Creating these stupid terms and trying to shame people for doing things they have every right to do, is silly. This notion of "privilege" was just a term coined by the lefties to justify treating people different. To perpetuate identity politics. You can wear your hair however you want. My daughter wants braids and she's "appropriating someones culture", a racist, etc. The key theme is that these rules only apply in one direction. Tommy Hilfiger's clothes weren't meant for certain people apparently. As such he's a racist, his brands are dropped, and in comes clothes that are made "For Us, By Us"... There will always be people who get the short end of the stick. Some will be more fortunate than others. Putting these restrictions around people doesnt change that. If anyone is still clearly getting the short end of the stick, it's Asians, and Jews. Probably even women too, but in a different way. But the left just likes to push their favorite colors. That's probably easier to say from your perspective than someone else's, right? If you get in legal problems and lose all of your capital it will be your fault. No one should bail you out. However, if you started as the daughter of a single mother who is both an orphan and a crack addict, would you have the same perspective? Would you ask for any help? Let's say you were super intelligent and you knew you had to find a new home to be safe. Would you ask for any help then? Probably, but I only live my life. I dont go around trying to live everyone else's. I dont care to tell everyone else how to live their lives either. If I ever got in trouble, I'd love to have Obama bail me out. If I couldn't, my best course of action would be doing what is within my means. For everyone, that is potentially something different. But it's silly not to realize the reality is that some have it easier than others. Creating these labels to try to divide and shame them for it though is just juvenile and probably rooted in jealousy. Better to just buckle up, accept reality, and try to make the best of your own. That's all they are doing. They are experiencing a large inequity and they are asking for help. They think that is the best course of action to be doing with their time. Not all of them, just the ones calling themselves the Social Justice Warriors. They are probably like 1% of whatever identity you are angry at any given time but with social media they are good at getting attention. Sometimes their causes are just and well thought out. Other times they step too far and act foolish. Ironically, the further they reach, the more privilege they have. It's good to see. Society's voices are being heard more than ever. But are there hucksters, users, sociopaths in these groups? Of course. That's the case in every group. I don't know why you don't like to hear it. Maybe you know it to be true but are so proud of having everything that you have and the amazing life you have lived that you think someone is taking that away from you with all of this identity politics (no one is trying to do this). Maybe you know realize that some child is being born today in a very difficult situation and you want to as efficiently as possible help that child as much as possible within reason. Or maybe you prefer not to help that child at all because its not your kid so none of your business. I think the difference between liberals and conservatives lies along that line. People in the middle are the fiscal conservatives who are also socially liberal. Quite accurate! Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted March 28, 2019 Author Share Posted March 28, 2019 Absolutely not, but thats life. If I get in legal trouble tomorrow, I cant call Obama and have him get my charges dropped. Others can. Privilege? Nope, just how life works. Creating these stupid terms and trying to shame people for doing things they have every right to do, is silly. This notion of "privilege" was just a term coined by the lefties to justify treating people different. To perpetuate identity politics. You can wear your hair however you want. My daughter wants braids and she's "appropriating someones culture", a racist, etc. The key theme is that these rules only apply in one direction. Tommy Hilfiger's clothes weren't meant for certain people apparently. As such he's a racist, his brands are dropped, and in comes clothes that are made "For Us, By Us"... There will always be people who get the short end of the stick. Some will be more fortunate than others. Putting these restrictions around people doesnt change that. If anyone is still clearly getting the short end of the stick, it's Asians, and Jews. Probably even women too, but in a different way. But the left just likes to push their favorite colors. That's probably easier to say from your perspective than someone else's, right? If you get in legal problems and lose all of your capital it will be your fault. No one should bail you out. However, if you started as the daughter of a single mother who is both an orphan and a crack addict, would you have the same perspective? Would you ask for any help? Let's say you were super intelligent and you knew you had to find a new home to be safe. Would you ask for any help then? Probably, but I only live my life. I dont go around trying to live everyone else's. I dont care to tell everyone else how to live their lives either. If I ever got in trouble, I'd love to have Obama bail me out. If I couldn't, my best course of action would be doing what is within my means. For everyone, that is potentially something different. But it's silly not to realize the reality is that some have it easier than others. Creating these labels to try to divide and shame them for it though is just juvenile and probably rooted in jealousy. Better to just buckle up, accept reality, and try to make the best of your own. That's all they are doing. They are experiencing a large inequity and they are asking for help. They think that is the best course of action to be doing with their time. Not all of them, just the ones calling themselves the Social Justice Warriors. They are probably like 1% of whatever identity you are angry at any given time but with social media they are good at getting attention. Sometimes their causes are just and well thought out. Other times they step too far and act foolish. Ironically, the further they reach, the more privilege they have. It's good to see. Society's voices are being heard more than ever. But are there hucksters, users, sociopaths in these groups? Of course. That's the case in every group. I don't know why you don't like to hear it. Maybe you know it to be true but are so proud of having everything that you have and the amazing life you have lived that you think someone is taking that away from you with all of this identity politics (no one is trying to do this). Maybe you know realize that some child is being born today in a very difficult situation and you want to as efficiently as possible help that child as much as possible within reason. Or maybe you prefer not to help that child at all because its not your kid so none of your business. I think the difference between liberals and conservatives lies along that line. People in the middle are the fiscal conservatives who are also socially liberal. Generally speaking you make good and valid points. I dont have any issues with people having it better or improving their lives. That should be encouraged and this is good for everyone. I have no issue with things like this, or even nepotism and whatnot, under the correct circumstances. Your family was successful and hands the business down to you, lucky? Sure. Fair to the career employees who work there? I dont know, probably not. But that is their right. This guy is hot right now. He makes movies people want to see. He has a right to hire whoever he wants to and as such, should be able to at least acknowledge that he does just that. My point was that society and mainstream media doesn't afford the "privilege" to everyone. I say the word in jest, but the mobs crush freedom of speech depending upon who you are, and hand out freedoms far too often based on how people look and what type of narrative the needs to push. At certain points in history the pendulum was too far to an extreme. In some regards I see it heading back there just to the other end. Ben Shapiro cant give a speech at a college campus...but (insert liberal media darling activist) can...why? I won't hire white people for "xyz" role may be this guy trying to help the under represented. But "I only hire white men" has gotten many a company in trouble, and brought about employment laws and regulations. Forget the media outrage as well. When it is in logic, the same exact thing. Maybe it is just about pushing the "help the poor" theme. I would imagine, Asian and Jewish communities are better off than many of the black and Hispanic ones. But personally it seems the agenda has more to do with shaping opinions to corral votes. Divide and conquer. Versus genuinely looking to improve the country/world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafetyinNumbers Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 With respect to Jordan Peele, I don’t think he should say it. He should let his actions speak for themselves. But he is using his privilege and most of society chooses to not give him a hard time about it because he’s doing it to support groups which are lower on the socioeconomic ladder (on average). He’s not doing it to provoke you. He should think about you and how you will feel when he says something like that. Most people think him saying that doesn’t actually harm you or white people. You think it does or that it’s some sort of double standard. Liberals think a white director saying that would mean that the industry is trying to oppress minorities because a white director represents the power centre in Hollywood. That probably isn’t true either but that director would be taken down so the power centre isn’t threatened. Bottom line is that Jordan Peele isn’t threatening. That might change some day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 “All lives matter” Yet some lives have a long history of persecution that has not fully disappeared. The old daily show with Jon Stewart and Bill Oreilley did a bit on it where I’d say both sides were addressed fairly well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsad Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 “All lives matter” Yet some lives have a long history of persecution that has not fully disappeared. The old daily show with Jon Stewart and Bill Oreilley did a bit on it where I’d say both sides were addressed fairly well. Yeah, I miss the Daily Show with Jon Stewart! Most of the talk shows are all about attacking Trump, instead of making smart, accurate commentary on why Trump is wrong or right. John Oliver is about the smartest, but really left-wing ideology. Most of the shows on the right are really dumb and spew nothing but rhetoric. SNL and Colbert spend all their time attacking Trump...granted some of it is very good like the "It's a Wonderful Life" parody of Trump...but too much Trump on those shows. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafetyinNumbers Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 “All lives matter” Yet some lives have a long history of persecution that has not fully disappeared. The old daily show with Jon Stewart and Bill Oreilley did a bit on it where I’d say both sides were addressed fairly well. Yeah, I miss the Daily Show with Jon Stewart! Most of the talk shows are all about attacking Trump, instead of making smart, accurate commentary on why Trump is wrong or right. John Oliver is about the smartest, but really left-wing ideology. Most of the shows on the right are really dumb and spew nothing but rhetoric. SNL and Colbert spend all their time attacking Trump...granted some of it is very good like the "It's a Wonderful Life" parody of Trump...but too much Trump on those shows. Cheers! If you haven’t given Trevor Noah a chance in a while, he is better now vs when he started. Hasan Minhaj is very good on his weekly Netflix show. Also, I really enjoy Jim Jefferies on his weekly show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharperDingaan Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 There is nothing wrong with someone using their 15 minutes of fame to promote a cause. If MANY people choose to promote the same cause, it just reflects the prevalence of the underlying issue. Whether we want to hear it or not. Few things wind up the 'privileged' faster than threat to that priviiege. 'Cause if you really ARE 'privileged' the 'threat' doesn't matter, 'cause it doesn't affect you. But if the 'threat' DOES affect you, it's uncomfortable evidence that you're losing your social status - you USED to be privileged .... just not so much anymore. Like it or not we live in a community; what we do affects others, what 'they' do affects us. We can live in our gated community in the centre of a slum, put up high fences so that we cant see the neighbours, and pretend they dont exist. Or we can recognize there's a problem around us, and perhaps try to do more than simply tossing the gatekeeper a 'tip' everytime we pass through. 'They' can 'invade' our community any time, take our stuff, and maybe - we'll survive the experience. As we age, we can either adapt or die. It can either be a pleasant ongoing learning experience, or a sudden medical exit induced from stress Our choice. SD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkbabang Posted March 28, 2019 Share Posted March 28, 2019 ....imagine if some white director said that? https://www.yahoo.com/movies/jordan-peele-says-cant-see-casting-white-dude-lead-one-movies-104449527.html This guy is a hero though.... But they do say that and they do that as well! How is it that blacks, hispanics and asians make up nearly 50% of the U.S. population, but less than 15% of the actors, writers, directors and producers? The gains for women in those areas has been far faster than for minorities. Cheers! And there is not a single overweight 5'7" white guy in the NBA. There are still not very many straight CIS white male Kindergarten teachers. I don't think I've ever had my teeth cleaned by a man. So what? Does every profession have to look like the wider society? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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