rkbabang Posted March 15, 2019 Share Posted March 15, 2019 This is supposedly the shooter's Manifesto. https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/535123039289999390/556009897523937290/The_Great_Replacement.pdf He basically is a racist who doesn't like Muslim immigration. Also he used a firearm rather than a bomb because he wants to ignite a civil war in the United States. "I chose firearms for the affect it would have on social discourse, the extra media coverage they would provide and the affect it could have on the politics of United states and thereby the political situation of the world. The US is torn into many factions by its second amendment, along state, social, cultural and, most importantly, racial lines. With enough pressure the left wing within the United states will seek to abolish the second amendment, and the right wing within the US will see this as an attack on their very freedom and liberty. This attempted abolishment of rights by the left will result in a dramatic polarization of the people in the United States and eventually a fracturing of the US along cultural and racial lines." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spekulatius Posted March 16, 2019 Share Posted March 16, 2019 ^ Executive summary: It‘s their own fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cameronfen Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 ^ Executive summary: It‘s their own fault. The right will cry politicization if you blame guns for killing people, but if you blame the victims...fair game! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkbabang Posted March 18, 2019 Author Share Posted March 18, 2019 ^ Executive summary: It‘s their own fault. The right will cry politicization if you blame guns for killing people, but if you blame the victims...fair game! Yes, the right blames the victims and the left blames inanimate objects which also happen to be the best tools to defend against this sort of thing. What neither side ever wants to blame is the actual perpetrator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkbabang Posted March 18, 2019 Author Share Posted March 18, 2019 The Founding Father of Eco-Fascism https://www.aier.org/article/founding-father-eco-fascism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cigarbutt Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 The Founding Father of Eco-Fascism https://www.aier.org/article/founding-father-eco-fascism Contribution here is specifically related to the above link and the reference to Madison Grant. Bill Bryson's book One Summer: America, 1927 has a very interesting section on negative eugenics and refers to The Passing of the Great Race. It appears that the time period Mr. Bryson describes was unusually open to that kind of discussion and documented followers included, at least to some extent, Irving Fisher, Charles Lindbergh, Lawrence Lowell (of the Sacco and Vanzetti condemnation committee fame) and even Herbert Hoover as well as internationally-renowned psychopaths. It seems to me that those who decry the spread of degenerate genes probably ended up with a poor recombination themselves and I'm not sure what is the best way to deal with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkbabang Posted March 18, 2019 Author Share Posted March 18, 2019 The Founding Father of Eco-Fascism https://www.aier.org/article/founding-father-eco-fascism Contribution here is specifically related to the above link and the reference to Madison Grant. Bill Bryson's book One Summer: America, 1927 has a very interesting section on negative eugenics and refers to The Passing of the Great Race. It appears that the time period Mr. Bryson describes was unusually open to that kind of discussion and documented followers included, at least to some extent, Irving Fisher, Charles Lindbergh, Lawrence Lowell (of the Sacco and Vanzetti condemnation committee fame) and even Herbert Hoover as well as internationally-renowned psychopaths. It seems to me that those who decry the spread of degenerate genes probably ended up with a poor recombination themselves and I'm not sure what is the best way to deal with that. Genetic diversity. The future looks pretty grim for the race supremacists/racists/ race purists / etc... I think it is pretty obvious that with world-wide travel as easy as it is and likely to become easier over time, that the mixing of all races together is inevitable long term. Although after we settle Mars and a couple of asteroids humanity will start spiting genetically again... until travel between planets becomes quick and easy then we will start merging again. If we ever branch out to cover the rest of galaxy then over time different branches of humans will bear little resemblance to each other... until travel between stars becomes quick and easy, then we will start merging again until we start traversing interstellar space to settle other galaxies.... I happen to look white, but I care little if no one looks like me in a few hundred years. I happen to be a citizen of the US, but I care little if the US exists or doesn't in the future. People need to get over racism/nationalism/colors/borders/etc. None of it matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrB Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 The Founding Father of Eco-Fascism https://www.aier.org/article/founding-father-eco-fascism Contribution here is specifically related to the above link and the reference to Madison Grant. Bill Bryson's book One Summer: America, 1927 has a very interesting section on negative eugenics and refers to The Passing of the Great Race. It appears that the time period Mr. Bryson describes was unusually open to that kind of discussion and documented followers included, at least to some extent, Irving Fisher, Charles Lindbergh, Lawrence Lowell (of the Sacco and Vanzetti condemnation committee fame) and even Herbert Hoover as well as internationally-renowned psychopaths. It seems to me that those who decry the spread of degenerate genes probably ended up with a poor recombination themselves and I'm not sure what is the best way to deal with that. Genetic diversity. The future looks pretty grim for the race supremacists/racists/ race purists / etc... I think it is pretty obvious that with world-wide travel as easy as it is and likely to become easier over time, that the mixing of all races together is inevitable long term. Although after we settle Mars and a couple of asteroids humanity will start spiting genetically again... until travel between planets becomes quick and easy then we will start merging again. If we ever branch out to cover the rest of galaxy then over time different branches of humans will bear little resemblance to each other... until travel between stars becomes quick and easy, then we will start merging again until we start traversing interstellar space to settle other galaxies.... I happen to look white, but I care little if no one looks like me in a few hundred years. I happen to be a citizen of the US, but I care little if the US exists or doesn't in the future. People need to get over racism/nationalism/colors/borders/etc. None of it matters. Interestingly enough through my travels (an enormous privilege) I've come to the exact opposite conclusion. "It matters"...a lot and I'm increasingly of the view that places like the US, Canada, the UK, etc are pretty exceptional in terms of personal freedom compared to most other countries and I think the world will be worse off without them. Last week the news was dominated by NZ, yet 120 Christians were killed recently in Nigeria by Muslim jihadists and 365 people were murdered in South Africa; not headline material though. All motivated by racism/nationalism/colors/borders/religion or other "ITs" . Lastly with more than 70% of the global population living on less than $10/day I think the influence of global travel might be less impactful than hoped for over the next decade or two. Just a different view... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkbabang Posted March 18, 2019 Author Share Posted March 18, 2019 The Founding Father of Eco-Fascism https://www.aier.org/article/founding-father-eco-fascism Contribution here is specifically related to the above link and the reference to Madison Grant. Bill Bryson's book One Summer: America, 1927 has a very interesting section on negative eugenics and refers to The Passing of the Great Race. It appears that the time period Mr. Bryson describes was unusually open to that kind of discussion and documented followers included, at least to some extent, Irving Fisher, Charles Lindbergh, Lawrence Lowell (of the Sacco and Vanzetti condemnation committee fame) and even Herbert Hoover as well as internationally-renowned psychopaths. It seems to me that those who decry the spread of degenerate genes probably ended up with a poor recombination themselves and I'm not sure what is the best way to deal with that. Genetic diversity. The future looks pretty grim for the race supremacists/racists/ race purists / etc... I think it is pretty obvious that with world-wide travel as easy as it is and likely to become easier over time, that the mixing of all races together is inevitable long term. Although after we settle Mars and a couple of asteroids humanity will start spiting genetically again... until travel between planets becomes quick and easy then we will start merging again. If we ever branch out to cover the rest of galaxy then over time different branches of humans will bear little resemblance to each other... until travel between stars becomes quick and easy, then we will start merging again until we start traversing interstellar space to settle other galaxies.... I happen to look white, but I care little if no one looks like me in a few hundred years. I happen to be a citizen of the US, but I care little if the US exists or doesn't in the future. People need to get over racism/nationalism/colors/borders/etc. None of it matters. Interestingly enough through my travels (an enormous privilege) I've come to the exact opposite conclusion. "It matters"...a lot and I'm increasingly of the view that places like the US, Canada, the UK, etc are pretty exceptional in terms of personal freedom compared to most other countries and I think the world will be worse off without them. Last week the news was dominated by NZ, yet 120 Christians were killed recently in Nigeria by Muslim jihadists and 365 people were murdered in South Africa; not headline material though. All motivated by racism/nationalism/colors/borders/religion or other "ITs" . Lastly with more than 70% of the global population living on less than $10/day I think the influence of global travel might be less impactful than hoped for over the next decade or two. Just a different view... What you are talking about isn't race, but culture. I do not think all cultures are equally valuable. Some cultures are far superior to others. I do care if the culture of freedom and capitalism exists or not, I just don't care if the people living in that culture have white skin or brown, narrow eyes or round, are short or tall, or call themselves Americans or something else. Yes a culture of civil rights for all is vastly superior to a culture that makes women cover themselves and ask a man for permission to leave the house, and throws homosexuals off of buildings. That has nothing to do with skin color though. I am a huge fan of racial diversity, but not necessarily cultural diversity. Mixing some positive aspects of one culture with another culture is great, mixing in a negative aspect of one culture with another is not desirable. Too many people confuse race with culture as you have above. There is no law in the universe that says only people with white skin can be civilized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkbabang Posted March 18, 2019 Author Share Posted March 18, 2019 Genetic diversity. The future looks pretty grim for the race supremacists/racists/ race purists / etc... I think it is pretty obvious that with world-wide travel as easy as it is and likely to become easier over time, that the mixing of all races together is inevitable long term. Although after we settle Mars and a couple of asteroids humanity will start spiting genetically again... until travel between planets becomes quick and easy then we will start merging again. If we ever branch out to cover the rest of galaxy then over time different branches of humans will bear little resemblance to each other... until travel between stars becomes quick and easy, then we will start merging again until we start traversing interstellar space to settle other galaxies.... I happen to look white, but I care little if no one looks like me in a few hundred years. I happen to be a citizen of the US, but I care little if the US exists or doesn't in the future. People need to get over racism/nationalism/colors/borders/etc. None of it matters. As far as i know, it's not just about skin color. It's because these kind of terrorist attacks are every day events . Utrecht: Gunman Kills 3 on Tram https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/18/world/europe/utrecht-shooting.html Even officials admits that there's tens of thousands of animals like that running wild, across the Europe. I think that Milo Yiannopoulos said it well: “Attacks like this happen because the establishment panders to and mollycoddles extremist Leftism and barbaric, alien religious cultures. Not when someone dares to point it out.” https://splinternews.com/australia-bans-milo-yiannopoulos-over-christchurch-mass-1833347267 Cheers! Did you read the shooters manifesto? He calls himself "a racist". He is worried about races mixing and the disappearance of whites. The New Zealand shooting at least, was very much about race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrB Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Genetic diversity. The future looks pretty grim for the race supremacists/racists/ race purists / etc... I think it is pretty obvious that with world-wide travel as easy as it is and likely to become easier over time, that the mixing of all races together is inevitable long term. Although after we settle Mars and a couple of asteroids humanity will start spiting genetically again... until travel between planets becomes quick and easy then we will start merging again. If we ever branch out to cover the rest of galaxy then over time different branches of humans will bear little resemblance to each other... until travel between stars becomes quick and easy, then we will start merging again until we start traversing interstellar space to settle other galaxies.... I happen to look white, but I care little if no one looks like me in a few hundred years. I happen to be a citizen of the US, but I care little if the US exists or doesn't in the future. People need to get over racism/nationalism/colors/borders/etc. None of it matters. As far as i know, it's not just about skin color. It's because these kind of things which happens every day now. Utrecht: Gunman Kills 3 on Tram https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/18/world/europe/utrecht-shooting.html Even officials admits there is tens of thousands of animals like that running wild, across the Europe. I think that Milo Yiannopoulos said it well: “Attacks like this happen because the establishment panders to and mollycoddles extremist Leftism and barbaric, alien religious cultures. Not when someone dares to point it out.” https://splinternews.com/australia-bans-milo-yiannopoulos-over-christchurch-mass-1833347267 Cheers! ...or maybe we're just evil... “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and defile a person.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrB Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 The Founding Father of Eco-Fascism https://www.aier.org/article/founding-father-eco-fascism Contribution here is specifically related to the above link and the reference to Madison Grant. Bill Bryson's book One Summer: America, 1927 has a very interesting section on negative eugenics and refers to The Passing of the Great Race. It appears that the time period Mr. Bryson describes was unusually open to that kind of discussion and documented followers included, at least to some extent, Irving Fisher, Charles Lindbergh, Lawrence Lowell (of the Sacco and Vanzetti condemnation committee fame) and even Herbert Hoover as well as internationally-renowned psychopaths. It seems to me that those who decry the spread of degenerate genes probably ended up with a poor recombination themselves and I'm not sure what is the best way to deal with that. Genetic diversity. The future looks pretty grim for the race supremacists/racists/ race purists / etc... I think it is pretty obvious that with world-wide travel as easy as it is and likely to become easier over time, that the mixing of all races together is inevitable long term. Although after we settle Mars and a couple of asteroids humanity will start spiting genetically again... until travel between planets becomes quick and easy then we will start merging again. If we ever branch out to cover the rest of galaxy then over time different branches of humans will bear little resemblance to each other... until travel between stars becomes quick and easy, then we will start merging again until we start traversing interstellar space to settle other galaxies.... I happen to look white, but I care little if no one looks like me in a few hundred years. I happen to be a citizen of the US, but I care little if the US exists or doesn't in the future. People need to get over racism/nationalism/colors/borders/etc. None of it matters. Interestingly enough through my travels (an enormous privilege) I've come to the exact opposite conclusion. "It matters"...a lot and I'm increasingly of the view that places like the US, Canada, the UK, etc are pretty exceptional in terms of personal freedom compared to most other countries and I think the world will be worse off without them. Last week the news was dominated by NZ, yet 120 Christians were killed recently in Nigeria by Muslim jihadists and 365 people were murdered in South Africa; not headline material though. All motivated by racism/nationalism/colors/borders/religion or other "ITs" . Lastly with more than 70% of the global population living on less than $10/day I think the influence of global travel might be less impactful than hoped for over the next decade or two. Just a different view... What you are talking about isn't race, but culture. I do not think all cultures are equally valuable. Some cultures are far superior to others. I do care if the culture of freedom and capitalism exists or not, I just don't care if the people living in that culture have white skin or brown, narrow eyes or round, are short or tall, or call themselves Americans or something else. Yes a culture of civil rights for all is vastly superior to a culture that makes women cover themselves and ask a man for permission to leave the house, and throws homosexuals off of buildings. That has nothing to do with skin color though. I am a huge fan of racial diversity, but not necessarily cultural diversity. Mixing some positive aspects of one culture with another culture is great, mixing in a negative aspect of one culture with another is not desirable. Too many people confuse race with culture as you have above. There is no law in the universe that says only people with white skin can be civilized. Slippery slope my friend. First step to genocide is "classification" https://genocideeducation.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/ten_stages_of_genocide.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkbabang Posted March 18, 2019 Author Share Posted March 18, 2019 The Founding Father of Eco-Fascism https://www.aier.org/article/founding-father-eco-fascism Contribution here is specifically related to the above link and the reference to Madison Grant. Bill Bryson's book One Summer: America, 1927 has a very interesting section on negative eugenics and refers to The Passing of the Great Race. It appears that the time period Mr. Bryson describes was unusually open to that kind of discussion and documented followers included, at least to some extent, Irving Fisher, Charles Lindbergh, Lawrence Lowell (of the Sacco and Vanzetti condemnation committee fame) and even Herbert Hoover as well as internationally-renowned psychopaths. It seems to me that those who decry the spread of degenerate genes probably ended up with a poor recombination themselves and I'm not sure what is the best way to deal with that. Genetic diversity. The future looks pretty grim for the race supremacists/racists/ race purists / etc... I think it is pretty obvious that with world-wide travel as easy as it is and likely to become easier over time, that the mixing of all races together is inevitable long term. Although after we settle Mars and a couple of asteroids humanity will start spiting genetically again... until travel between planets becomes quick and easy then we will start merging again. If we ever branch out to cover the rest of galaxy then over time different branches of humans will bear little resemblance to each other... until travel between stars becomes quick and easy, then we will start merging again until we start traversing interstellar space to settle other galaxies.... I happen to look white, but I care little if no one looks like me in a few hundred years. I happen to be a citizen of the US, but I care little if the US exists or doesn't in the future. People need to get over racism/nationalism/colors/borders/etc. None of it matters. Interestingly enough through my travels (an enormous privilege) I've come to the exact opposite conclusion. "It matters"...a lot and I'm increasingly of the view that places like the US, Canada, the UK, etc are pretty exceptional in terms of personal freedom compared to most other countries and I think the world will be worse off without them. Last week the news was dominated by NZ, yet 120 Christians were killed recently in Nigeria by Muslim jihadists and 365 people were murdered in South Africa; not headline material though. All motivated by racism/nationalism/colors/borders/religion or other "ITs" . Lastly with more than 70% of the global population living on less than $10/day I think the influence of global travel might be less impactful than hoped for over the next decade or two. Just a different view... What you are talking about isn't race, but culture. I do not think all cultures are equally valuable. Some cultures are far superior to others. I do care if the culture of freedom and capitalism exists or not, I just don't care if the people living in that culture have white skin or brown, narrow eyes or round, are short or tall, or call themselves Americans or something else. Yes a culture of civil rights for all is vastly superior to a culture that makes women cover themselves and ask a man for permission to leave the house, and throws homosexuals off of buildings. That has nothing to do with skin color though. I am a huge fan of racial diversity, but not necessarily cultural diversity. Mixing some positive aspects of one culture with another culture is great, mixing in a negative aspect of one culture with another is not desirable. Too many people confuse race with culture as you have above. There is no law in the universe that says only people with white skin can be civilized. Slippery slope my friend. First step to genocide is "classification" https://genocideeducation.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/ten_stages_of_genocide.pdf OK I'm sorry. It's perfectly ok to treat women as animals and murder homosexuals, because I wouldn't want to "classify". The idea that all cultures are equally good is absurd. Most classification leading to genocide has been done on racial and/or religious grounds not cultural. Hate leading to genocide is in itself a good example of a bad culture. So, you wouldn't wan't to "classify" nazism/neo-nazism as an example of a culture that is less than good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Did you read the shooters manifesto? He is worried about races mixing and the disappearance of whites. It's a legitimate concern too. ??? Care to elaborate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrB Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 The Founding Father of Eco-Fascism https://www.aier.org/article/founding-father-eco-fascism Contribution here is specifically related to the above link and the reference to Madison Grant. Bill Bryson's book One Summer: America, 1927 has a very interesting section on negative eugenics and refers to The Passing of the Great Race. It appears that the time period Mr. Bryson describes was unusually open to that kind of discussion and documented followers included, at least to some extent, Irving Fisher, Charles Lindbergh, Lawrence Lowell (of the Sacco and Vanzetti condemnation committee fame) and even Herbert Hoover as well as internationally-renowned psychopaths. It seems to me that those who decry the spread of degenerate genes probably ended up with a poor recombination themselves and I'm not sure what is the best way to deal with that. Genetic diversity. The future looks pretty grim for the race supremacists/racists/ race purists / etc... I think it is pretty obvious that with world-wide travel as easy as it is and likely to become easier over time, that the mixing of all races together is inevitable long term. Although after we settle Mars and a couple of asteroids humanity will start spiting genetically again... until travel between planets becomes quick and easy then we will start merging again. If we ever branch out to cover the rest of galaxy then over time different branches of humans will bear little resemblance to each other... until travel between stars becomes quick and easy, then we will start merging again until we start traversing interstellar space to settle other galaxies.... I happen to look white, but I care little if no one looks like me in a few hundred years. I happen to be a citizen of the US, but I care little if the US exists or doesn't in the future. People need to get over racism/nationalism/colors/borders/etc. None of it matters. Interestingly enough through my travels (an enormous privilege) I've come to the exact opposite conclusion. "It matters"...a lot and I'm increasingly of the view that places like the US, Canada, the UK, etc are pretty exceptional in terms of personal freedom compared to most other countries and I think the world will be worse off without them. Last week the news was dominated by NZ, yet 120 Christians were killed recently in Nigeria by Muslim jihadists and 365 people were murdered in South Africa; not headline material though. All motivated by racism/nationalism/colors/borders/religion or other "ITs" . Lastly with more than 70% of the global population living on less than $10/day I think the influence of global travel might be less impactful than hoped for over the next decade or two. Just a different view... What you are talking about isn't race, but culture. I do not think all cultures are equally valuable. Some cultures are far superior to others. I do care if the culture of freedom and capitalism exists or not, I just don't care if the people living in that culture have white skin or brown, narrow eyes or round, are short or tall, or call themselves Americans or something else. Yes a culture of civil rights for all is vastly superior to a culture that makes women cover themselves and ask a man for permission to leave the house, and throws homosexuals off of buildings. That has nothing to do with skin color though. I am a huge fan of racial diversity, but not necessarily cultural diversity. Mixing some positive aspects of one culture with another culture is great, mixing in a negative aspect of one culture with another is not desirable. Too many people confuse race with culture as you have above. There is no law in the universe that says only people with white skin can be civilized. Slippery slope my friend. First step to genocide is "classification" https://genocideeducation.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/ten_stages_of_genocide.pdf OK I'm sorry. It's perfectly ok to treat women as animals and murder homosexuals, because I wouldn't want to "classify". The idea that all cultures are equally good is absurd. Most classification leading to genocide has been done on racial and/or religious grounds not cultural. Hate leading to genocide is in itself a good example of a bad culture. So, you wouldn't wan't to "classify" nazism/neo-nazism as an example of a culture that is less than good? You're arguing my point or with yourself? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrB Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Did you read the shooters manifesto? He is worried about races mixing and the disappearance of whites. It's a legitimate concern too. ??? Care to elaborate? https://www.economist.com/open-future/2018/09/18/can-white-people-experience-racism https://southafricatoday.net/media/south-africa-video/political-videos/massive-disinformation-hatred-campaign-from-hermanus-south-africa/ https://www.houstonchronicle.com/local/gray-matters/article/How-to-heal-racism-It-starts-with-an-apology-12510316.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkbabang Posted March 18, 2019 Author Share Posted March 18, 2019 The Founding Father of Eco-Fascism https://www.aier.org/article/founding-father-eco-fascism Contribution here is specifically related to the above link and the reference to Madison Grant. Bill Bryson's book One Summer: America, 1927 has a very interesting section on negative eugenics and refers to The Passing of the Great Race. It appears that the time period Mr. Bryson describes was unusually open to that kind of discussion and documented followers included, at least to some extent, Irving Fisher, Charles Lindbergh, Lawrence Lowell (of the Sacco and Vanzetti condemnation committee fame) and even Herbert Hoover as well as internationally-renowned psychopaths. It seems to me that those who decry the spread of degenerate genes probably ended up with a poor recombination themselves and I'm not sure what is the best way to deal with that. Genetic diversity. The future looks pretty grim for the race supremacists/racists/ race purists / etc... I think it is pretty obvious that with world-wide travel as easy as it is and likely to become easier over time, that the mixing of all races together is inevitable long term. Although after we settle Mars and a couple of asteroids humanity will start spiting genetically again... until travel between planets becomes quick and easy then we will start merging again. If we ever branch out to cover the rest of galaxy then over time different branches of humans will bear little resemblance to each other... until travel between stars becomes quick and easy, then we will start merging again until we start traversing interstellar space to settle other galaxies.... I happen to look white, but I care little if no one looks like me in a few hundred years. I happen to be a citizen of the US, but I care little if the US exists or doesn't in the future. People need to get over racism/nationalism/colors/borders/etc. None of it matters. Interestingly enough through my travels (an enormous privilege) I've come to the exact opposite conclusion. "It matters"...a lot and I'm increasingly of the view that places like the US, Canada, the UK, etc are pretty exceptional in terms of personal freedom compared to most other countries and I think the world will be worse off without them. Last week the news was dominated by NZ, yet 120 Christians were killed recently in Nigeria by Muslim jihadists and 365 people were murdered in South Africa; not headline material though. All motivated by racism/nationalism/colors/borders/religion or other "ITs" . Lastly with more than 70% of the global population living on less than $10/day I think the influence of global travel might be less impactful than hoped for over the next decade or two. Just a different view... What you are talking about isn't race, but culture. I do not think all cultures are equally valuable. Some cultures are far superior to others. I do care if the culture of freedom and capitalism exists or not, I just don't care if the people living in that culture have white skin or brown, narrow eyes or round, are short or tall, or call themselves Americans or something else. Yes a culture of civil rights for all is vastly superior to a culture that makes women cover themselves and ask a man for permission to leave the house, and throws homosexuals off of buildings. That has nothing to do with skin color though. I am a huge fan of racial diversity, but not necessarily cultural diversity. Mixing some positive aspects of one culture with another culture is great, mixing in a negative aspect of one culture with another is not desirable. Too many people confuse race with culture as you have above. There is no law in the universe that says only people with white skin can be civilized. Slippery slope my friend. First step to genocide is "classification" https://genocideeducation.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/ten_stages_of_genocide.pdf OK I'm sorry. It's perfectly ok to treat women as animals and murder homosexuals, because I wouldn't want to "classify". The idea that all cultures are equally good is absurd. Most classification leading to genocide has been done on racial and/or religious grounds not cultural. Hate leading to genocide is in itself a good example of a bad culture. So, you wouldn't wan't to "classify" nazism/neo-nazism as an example of a culture that is less than good? You're arguing my point or with yourself? I argue with myself often, and I don't always win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrB Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 The Founding Father of Eco-Fascism https://www.aier.org/article/founding-father-eco-fascism Contribution here is specifically related to the above link and the reference to Madison Grant. Bill Bryson's book One Summer: America, 1927 has a very interesting section on negative eugenics and refers to The Passing of the Great Race. It appears that the time period Mr. Bryson describes was unusually open to that kind of discussion and documented followers included, at least to some extent, Irving Fisher, Charles Lindbergh, Lawrence Lowell (of the Sacco and Vanzetti condemnation committee fame) and even Herbert Hoover as well as internationally-renowned psychopaths. It seems to me that those who decry the spread of degenerate genes probably ended up with a poor recombination themselves and I'm not sure what is the best way to deal with that. Genetic diversity. The future looks pretty grim for the race supremacists/racists/ race purists / etc... I think it is pretty obvious that with world-wide travel as easy as it is and likely to become easier over time, that the mixing of all races together is inevitable long term. Although after we settle Mars and a couple of asteroids humanity will start spiting genetically again... until travel between planets becomes quick and easy then we will start merging again. If we ever branch out to cover the rest of galaxy then over time different branches of humans will bear little resemblance to each other... until travel between stars becomes quick and easy, then we will start merging again until we start traversing interstellar space to settle other galaxies.... I happen to look white, but I care little if no one looks like me in a few hundred years. I happen to be a citizen of the US, but I care little if the US exists or doesn't in the future. People need to get over racism/nationalism/colors/borders/etc. None of it matters. Interestingly enough through my travels (an enormous privilege) I've come to the exact opposite conclusion. "It matters"...a lot and I'm increasingly of the view that places like the US, Canada, the UK, etc are pretty exceptional in terms of personal freedom compared to most other countries and I think the world will be worse off without them. Last week the news was dominated by NZ, yet 120 Christians were killed recently in Nigeria by Muslim jihadists and 365 people were murdered in South Africa; not headline material though. All motivated by racism/nationalism/colors/borders/religion or other "ITs" . Lastly with more than 70% of the global population living on less than $10/day I think the influence of global travel might be less impactful than hoped for over the next decade or two. Just a different view... What you are talking about isn't race, but culture. I do not think all cultures are equally valuable. Some cultures are far superior to others. I do care if the culture of freedom and capitalism exists or not, I just don't care if the people living in that culture have white skin or brown, narrow eyes or round, are short or tall, or call themselves Americans or something else. Yes a culture of civil rights for all is vastly superior to a culture that makes women cover themselves and ask a man for permission to leave the house, and throws homosexuals off of buildings. That has nothing to do with skin color though. I am a huge fan of racial diversity, but not necessarily cultural diversity. Mixing some positive aspects of one culture with another culture is great, mixing in a negative aspect of one culture with another is not desirable. Too many people confuse race with culture as you have above. There is no law in the universe that says only people with white skin can be civilized. Slippery slope my friend. First step to genocide is "classification" https://genocideeducation.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/ten_stages_of_genocide.pdf OK I'm sorry. It's perfectly ok to treat women as animals and murder homosexuals, because I wouldn't want to "classify". The idea that all cultures are equally good is absurd. Most classification leading to genocide has been done on racial and/or religious grounds not cultural. Hate leading to genocide is in itself a good example of a bad culture. So, you wouldn't wan't to "classify" nazism/neo-nazism as an example of a culture that is less than good? You're arguing my point or with yourself? I argue with myself often, and I don't always win. LOL - I hear you... On a separate note, I've seen racial/tribal hatred up close and it's interesting. In the heat of the moment it's more to do with crowd psychology; mob crowds, are fricken scary!! However the runup is much more complex and frequently has to do with marginalisation. I skimmed through this guy's manifesto a few days ago and my feeling was this guy was marginalized; I suppose that's obvious. However, the real underlying reasons are usually much more complex. I've seen it here in the UK too. It's a very different discussion about the Muslim, Polish, Indian guy living across the street that got your local job when you don't have money to put food on the table for your family tonight. At that point you're desperate and naturally the last person to blame is yourself, so you look for the fault in the other guy, the system, etc. However, as soon the guy found a job and the financial pressure is alleviated then his issues with the guy across the street probably goes away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkbabang Posted March 18, 2019 Author Share Posted March 18, 2019 This is an amazing story about an amazing person. Truly heroic. "Hero refugee chased gunman away from New Zealand mosque" https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/world/hero-refugee-chased-gunman-away-from-new-zealand-mosque-11352838 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharperDingaan Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 The reality is that there are a great many people with broadly similar prejudices, the only difference is degree. The difference is that if you are marginal, and poor, it often doesn't end well for the societies in which we live. The historical societal solution has often been eradication; whether by cultural genocide in some form, or starting conflicts, and using these people as the cannon fodder. Give the marginalized a job, and the prejudices just subsume - they don't go away. But like a tide going out, when you make the society poorer, shoals of prejudices suddenly emerge everywhere. Globalization has benefited millions around the world, but it has acted like the tide going out, and is feeding todays 'rich nation' divisions. If you can only get a series of temporary gigs, and with longer periods of unemployment between each gig, how are you supposed to raise a family? When your standard of living is higher than that 3rd world guy? SD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castanza Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 The Founding Father of Eco-Fascism https://www.aier.org/article/founding-father-eco-fascism Contribution here is specifically related to the above link and the reference to Madison Grant. Bill Bryson's book One Summer: America, 1927 has a very interesting section on negative eugenics and refers to The Passing of the Great Race. It appears that the time period Mr. Bryson describes was unusually open to that kind of discussion and documented followers included, at least to some extent, Irving Fisher, Charles Lindbergh, Lawrence Lowell (of the Sacco and Vanzetti condemnation committee fame) and even Herbert Hoover as well as internationally-renowned psychopaths. It seems to me that those who decry the spread of degenerate genes probably ended up with a poor recombination themselves and I'm not sure what is the best way to deal with that. Genetic diversity. The future looks pretty grim for the race supremacists/racists/ race purists / etc... I think it is pretty obvious that with world-wide travel as easy as it is and likely to become easier over time, that the mixing of all races together is inevitable long term. Although after we settle Mars and a couple of asteroids humanity will start spiting genetically again... until travel between planets becomes quick and easy then we will start merging again. If we ever branch out to cover the rest of galaxy then over time different branches of humans will bear little resemblance to each other... until travel between stars becomes quick and easy, then we will start merging again until we start traversing interstellar space to settle other galaxies.... I happen to look white, but I care little if no one looks like me in a few hundred years. I happen to be a citizen of the US, but I care little if the US exists or doesn't in the future. People need to get over racism/nationalism/colors/borders/etc. None of it matters. Interestingly enough through my travels (an enormous privilege) I've come to the exact opposite conclusion. "It matters"...a lot and I'm increasingly of the view that places like the US, Canada, the UK, etc are pretty exceptional in terms of personal freedom compared to most other countries and I think the world will be worse off without them. Last week the news was dominated by NZ, yet 120 Christians were killed recently in Nigeria by Muslim jihadists and 365 people were murdered in South Africa; not headline material though. All motivated by racism/nationalism/colors/borders/religion or other "ITs" . Lastly with more than 70% of the global population living on less than $10/day I think the influence of global travel might be less impactful than hoped for over the next decade or two. Just a different view... Ditto, I've traveled pretty extensively for work and pleasure. I have family that lives and operates a business in South east Asia and I know a few people who live in the Middle East. The US, Canada, and a few other developed nations are very unique when it comes to freedoms. It's a shame that MSM never shows the world for what it truly is and the atrocities that occur on the daily in other countries. I would agree that Christians are still the most persecuted group of people in the world. But MSM will never cover this. However, persecution exists everywhere and it is undeniably brutal. I don;t recommend going here but websites like "bestgore" have a lot of videos published by independent journalists etc who show whats really going on around the world. Here you can see the atrocities of the War in the Middle East, You can see the cartels in SA, ISIS in the middle east or the refugees overrunning France and Germany and the atrocities many of them are committing. . Again I don't recommend going there as it's undeniably sick and brutal and real but it really shows how modern culture is nothing but a distraction to the still extremely present primal nature of man. Two days before the NZ shooting there was a school in Brazil that had two students try to mimic the columbine gunmen. About a dozen dead and many many more injured. Not a peep from the MSM news sites. The MSM wont tell you about the refugees in France that trapped and tortured two men in Lyons. They wont tell you about the two Danish Girls who were told it was "safe" to backpack in Pakistan because "everyone gets along, and we all want peace." and then ended up getting raped and beheaded on camera by Muslim Extremists. The MSM won't tell you about the two doctors I personally knew who were murdered in the middle east while trying to perform care for the local villagers (who are mostly friendly). They won't tell you about the video of Israeli soldiers shooting Palestinian children (And no, I am not an Israel hater, i support the US supporting them in the Middle East). They won't tell you about the Christians who were captured in Turkey, tortured and stabbed over 100 times. There isn't a country that's innocent. Are some better than others? Absolutely. he US, Canada and a few others are far more sane and developed than most. But the people who complain about freedom in the US are ridiculous. If you live here YOU ARE FREE. But the MSM will only show something when it can put their own spin on it. When it can benefit them in some way. Truth is the thing like the Kashogi murder happens daily. Sam Harris, who I am unlikely to quote often puts it well about immigrants from other countries and a potential issue he sees with mass immigration. He said something along the lines of this. "many of these people come from cultures that haven't even gone through the enlightenment period yet and we expect them to assimilate in American and other modern developed nations." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted March 18, 2019 Share Posted March 18, 2019 Did you read the shooters manifesto? He is worried about races mixing and the disappearance of whites. It's a legitimate concern too. ??? Care to elaborate? https://www.economist.com/open-future/2018/09/18/can-white-people-experience-racism https://southafricatoday.net/media/south-africa-video/political-videos/massive-disinformation-hatred-campaign-from-hermanus-south-africa/ https://www.houstonchronicle.com/local/gray-matters/article/How-to-heal-racism-It-starts-with-an-apology-12510316.php I don't think anyone will argue that racism is a universal bile . But it sounds like value^2 was arguing or at least sympathizing with some notion that "the races" should not co-exist. Curious to hear some clarification on that. Or perhaps I'm misinterpreting his post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharperDingaan Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 One of the advantages of travel is that the traveler quickly learns to appreciate what he/she has (& takes for granted), versus the other people around him/her (ie: peace, freedom, and stability). Another advantage is experiencing how many other societies are controlled; to which the following link is instructive https://www.tvo.org/programs/the-dictators-playbook. There is very definately a 'playbook' to this, and comparing the state of your nation, against the 'playbook' is often very illuminating. Similarly if your nation DOESN'T have a dictatorship, then what are the 'extraordinary' things that your nation is doing? Economics and freedom go a long way, as does the quiet snuffing out of 'would be' dictators in the crib. Riots and demonstrations have to be organized, they don't happen spontaneously. But to organize you have to communicate, and pay for your purchases; so where's the money coming from? Digital payment systems aren't just about efficiency and effectiveness. Isolate your populations, and they become easier to manipulate .... SD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharperDingaan Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 I don't think anyone will argue that racism is a universal bile . But it sounds like value^2 was arguing or at least sympathizing with some notion that "the races" should not co-exist. Curious to hear some clarification on that. Or perhaps I'm misinterpreting his post. Look countries like Sweden where they're already in point where native swedes will be minority (in their own country) in not too distant future (2050 if not sooner). Few hundred years later there will be just one mixed race. I assume that's the 'co-existence' you're looking for? How about nature? Look all those animals that are under threat of extinction. We are not trying to get rid off them nor destroy / mix them, but're doing all we can to protect them. Why we won't use same approach with humans? And what comes to topic. "So far in 2019, there have been 453 Islamic terror attacks in which 1,956 people have been murdered. But you will never hear those numbers from the mainstream media." https://tinyurl.com/y52vopk6 300 years ago a native Swede, wasn't the native Swede we have today. And 300 years from now, that future native Swede isn't going to resemble todays version either. Culture is not something you can isolate and put in a bottle; it 'breathes', and is constantly adapting to its surroundings. Darwinism demonstrates that all species either adapt or die; yet we have multiple species of birds, fish, etc - NOT one. And each species thriving in the envirionmental conditions of its time. A Canadian Mountie used to be a minimum 6'2", white, male, muscular, and good with his fist - looked great on posters. Now we have lots of different sizes, colours, genders, and head-gear. We still call them Mounties, they're much better at what they do, and they are much more representative of the population they monitor - but that 6'2" guy is pretty much extinct. Change. SD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castanza Posted March 19, 2019 Share Posted March 19, 2019 There is absolutely nothing wrong with diversity. But there is also nothing wrong with people taking pride in their heritage and choosing to live near people who share similar cultural values, religions, ethnicity etc. Forced diversity will never work and complete acceptance of diversity will never truly work. At least in the sense that everyone will be "accepting of one another." And to clarify this doesn't mean un-accepting in a hateful manner. It simply means they tolerate others culture and lifestyle. I don't believe that people truly want diversity. I don't think it's really that important for a lot of people. Is there even a way to meaningfully pursue it without isolating others and in turn discriminating? Diversity needs to happen naturally if it's going to happen. These things take a long time to happen and people often forget that. Again, I'm not talking about things like equal rights in America or white vs black segregation. I'm talking about simple things like marrying someone of a different color than yourself. Playing on teams together, hanging out, doing business, etc etc. No, what people are really after is freedom. And the proof is in the pudding. Look at the groups who immigrate to the US. Often when they come here they still stick to what is comfortable. Tats why we have China town, Mexican neighborhoods, African-american neighborhoods, white neighborhoods, Irish, Italian, German, Islamic, Jewish, you name it. Are their plenty of people who mingle together? Absolutely, and it's probably the majority but I'd be willing to be those same people who mingle in their every day life still feel most comfortable around people from their background etc. Nobody moves to America for the diversity. They move here for the freedom. My office is a good example. Literally more than half the people I work with are from the middle east and are active followers of Islam(which they make known). These dudes are great! Wicked smart, and nice guys. We grab beers after work sometimes etc, but at the end of the day, they go home to neighborhoods, family, and friends they feel comfortable around. We just come from completely different backgrounds and that can't be changed. Learning about people and talking with them goes a long way in building a relationship. I've asked every single one of them how they like it over here. And they all said overwhelmingly how much they love it. Honestly some of these guys are more "American and patriotic" than a lot of natural born citizens. But they still do miss their homes where they immigrated from. many of them go visit and it's a really big deal for them. They have told me the cultural differences, landscapes, history etc still keep America from feeling completely like "home." You can be sure if Syria was as free as the US these guys would be on the first plane back by choice. People want freedom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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