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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-democrats-fox/democrats-bar-fox-news-from-televising-debates-after-reported-trump-ties-idUSKCN1QN2F9

 

Yup... Where are all the libtards who were bitching about freedom of the press? And Trump discriminating against journalists and networks? Crickets...cuz its OK when they do it.

 

Geez!  You have a short memory I guess:

 

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/317399-gop-votes-to-ban-nbc-cnn-from-debates

 

Also, the left-wing nutjobs don't call you a "retard", which would make more sense than your liberal shot of "libtard", so going forward I will be banning any posts where anyone (especially all of the libtard stuff, because that's most of the garbage on here)...to restore a modicum of decorum on the Politics board.  Cheers!

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-democrats-fox/democrats-bar-fox-news-from-televising-debates-after-reported-trump-ties-idUSKCN1QN2F9

 

Yup... Where are all the libtards who were bitching about freedom of the press? And Trump discriminating against journalists and networks? Crickets...cuz its OK when they do it.

 

Geez!  You have a short memory I guess:

 

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/317399-gop-votes-to-ban-nbc-cnn-from-debates

 

Also, the left-wing nutjobs don't call you a "retard", which would make more sense than your liberal shot of "libtard", so going forward I will be banning any posts where anyone (especially all of the libtard stuff, because that's most of the garbage on here)...to restore a modicum of decorum on the Politics board.  Cheers!

 

LOL come on Sanjeev! A short memory? You posted something from over a half decade ago! And yes, the Republicans and Trump did stuff like this, and the lefties whined and cried and made a scene. Now they go and do it too...you can't do that. Unless you're just liars and hypocrites. They dont care about 1st Amendment or freedom of the press. They just like to bitch about Trump.

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https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-democrats-fox/democrats-bar-fox-news-from-televising-debates-after-reported-trump-ties-idUSKCN1QN2F9

 

Yup... Where are all the libtards who were bitching about freedom of the press? And Trump discriminating against journalists and networks? Crickets...cuz its OK when they do it.

 

Geez!  You have a short memory I guess:

 

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/317399-gop-votes-to-ban-nbc-cnn-from-debates

 

Also, the left-wing nutjobs don't call you a "retard", which would make more sense than your liberal shot of "libtard", so going forward I will be banning any posts where anyone (especially all of the libtard stuff, because that's most of the garbage on here)...to restore a modicum of decorum on the Politics board.  Cheers!

 

LOL come on Sanjeev! A short memory? You posted something from over a half decade ago! And yes, the Republicans and Trump did stuff like this, and the lefties whined and cried and made a scene. Now they go and do it too...you can't do that. Unless you're just liars and hypocrites. They dont care about 1st Amendment or freedom of the press. They just like to bitch about Trump.

 

I didn't say it was right...just that it has happened before and by the other party.  They are all the same.  Cheers!

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Maybe a stupid question, but why does it matter where you watch a debate? Does it matter because people actually pay more attention to secondary commentaries from these partial “analysts” rather than what is being debated?

Also, do these debates even matter any more? Looks like everyone has already either formed an opinion or looks at sources other than TV.

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I like the debates because you can see the logical thought processes of the candidates.

 

Do they answer the stated question? Or do they pivot and try to talk about something else

Is their answer complete, does it address the underlying concerns? Is their logic consistent?

How do they behave under pressure?

 

This is why I really lose respect when candidates are given questions beforehand. The debates are one of the few times we can see these people truly "on the spot". To subvert that component undermines a crucial part of the democratic process.

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My own view is that the debates do not add anything substantive.

It's essentially a cage-match where the 'entertainment' is seeing someone screw-up. Intentional, or otherwise.

 

Each party is selling their candidate, but they can't win, if they can ONLY get their 'base' to vote for them.

They have to either win some of their opponents support, or 'split' that opponents support over multiple 'similar' candidates.

 

Identity politics is about capturing the largest base possible - then making everybody else mad at you.

Split your opposition over multiple small groups, make emotion versus head the norm, and you'll win.

Clever.

 

Of course ... until someone unites the opposition, under a movement (Me too?)

.... and your boy's suddenly wearing milk-bone undies, in front of a wolf-pack.

 

You don't need to win the majority of the vote, you just need to be 'first past the post' in each riding.

But once everybody else knows your trick ...

 

Run buddy, run! ;)

 

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I like the debates because you can see the logical thought processes of the candidates.

 

Do they answer the stated question? Or do they pivot and try to talk about something else

Is their answer complete, does it address the underlying concerns? Is their logic consistent?

How do they behave under pressure?

 

This is why I really lose respect when candidates are given questions beforehand. The debates are one of the few times we can see these people truly "on the spot". To subvert that component undermines a crucial part of the democratic process.

Yep, after watching a republican debate the last go around, my opinion of Marco Rubio went up.

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"Also, the left-wing nutjobs don't call you a "retard", which would make more sense than your liberal shot of "libtard", so going forward I will be banning any posts where anyone (especially all of the libtard stuff, because that's most of the garbage on here)...to restore a modicum of decorum on the Politics board.  Cheers!"

 

Honestly, I would much rather be called a retard for being a capitalist, conservative and supporter of most Trump's policies than a racist, bigot, KKK and whatever other bullshit has been thrown at us.

 

If we had been respected and not being "politically correctly" told all these insults directly or via association, it is quite likely that I personally would have kept the tone down. So if there is some kind of censorship, I truly hope that it will go both ways.

 

"I admire your patience and tolerance Parsad.  I would've banned Gregmal and friends from the forum and close the politics section.  I feel like this forum has gone downhill since politics was introduced. "

 

Do we owe you something Berkshire101?

 

I guess that obtaining free investment ideas is not enough? You want more and no discussion going against your own leftist political beliefs? Why just Gregmal and friends? What about Doughishere and even Parsad?

 

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"Also, the left-wing nutjobs don't call you a "retard", which would make more sense than your liberal shot of "libtard", so going forward I will be banning any posts where anyone (especially all of the libtard stuff, because that's most of the garbage on here)...to restore a modicum of decorum on the Politics board.  Cheers!"

 

Honestly, I would much rather be called a retard for being a capitalist, conservative and supporter of most Trump's policies than a racist, bigot, KKK and whatever other bullshit has been thrown at us.

 

If we had been respected and not being "politically correctly" told all these insults directly or via association, it is quite likely that I personally would have kept the tone down. So if there is some kind of censorship, I truly hope that it will go both ways.

 

"I admire your patience and tolerance Parsad.  I would've banned Gregmal and friends from the forum and close the politics section.  I feel like this forum has gone downhill since politics was introduced. "

 

Do we owe you something Berkshire101?

 

I guess that obtaining free investment ideas is not enough? You want more and no discussion going against your own leftist political beliefs? Why just Gregmal and friends? What about Doughishere and even Parsad?

 

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Whats funny is that you, and I, and cubsfan, and Mark at least contribute to the investment end. I dont think I've ever seen Doughishere or many of that merry band ever post a useful investment thought. Or even a useless one...

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Honestly, I would much rather be called a retard for being a capitalist, conservative and supporter of most Trump's policies than a racist, bigot, KKK and whatever other bullshit has been thrown at us.

 

If we had been respected and not being "politically correctly" told all these insults directly or via association, it is quite likely that I personally would have kept the tone down. So if there is some kind of censorship, I truly hope that it will go both ways.

 

 

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+1 - and I am ALL for toning it down, but it needs to be a 2 way street and it never has been here.

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Funny how anyone who disagrees with the Trump supporters on this board are labeled “Libtards”, “Lefties”, “Left wing nut jobs”, etc, etc.  Rather childish when you  have to rely on slurs to support a position.

 

I would suggest that there are a LOT on this board, perhaps even the majority, who lean to the right but we do not support Trump and many of his ideas. As one who falls into that category, I can assure you that one can be conservative and not support Mr. Trump.

 

The irony is that Trump is neither right or left. He is simply on whatever side happens to be to his personal benefit - either politically or financially.

 

He has simply given a frustrated minority on far right a figurehead they delude themselves into believing that he has the country’s best interests at heart.

 

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"He has simply given a frustrated minority on far right a figurehead they delude themselves into believing that he has the country’s best interests at heart."

 

What has he done that is not in the best interest of the country?

 

Strong economy, low unemployment for all, no foreign war, no riot in the streets, crime heading down, improving trade deals, trying to fix immigration and enforcing laws.

 

The guy is an ass and you may hate his attitude and that is fine but, it is very hard for me to see much negative in how the country is doing.

 

The other choices are politicians doing nothing or kicking the can down the road on every issue. And the crazies like AOC.

 

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"The irony is that Trump is neither right or left. He is simply on whatever side happens to be to his personal benefit - either politically or financially. "

 

Do you realize that this makes zero sense?

 

Why would you want to be a president, be away from your business, alienate half or more of your potential customers and for this to be financially beneficial?

 

Once again you may hate the guy but, please try to make some logical statements!

 

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Funny how anyone who disagrees with the Trump supporters on this board are labeled “Libtards”, “Lefties”, “Left wing nut jobs”, etc, etc.  Rather childish when you  have to rely on slurs to support a position.

 

 

It's not the disagreeing that some of us mind - it's the moral high ground that many here believe they occupy

when confronted with a Trump supporter.  That moral high ground gives you the right to slur and pile on

to the few that disagree with you. Too bad it has comes to this.

 

As mentioned many times, Trump is far from perfect or ideal - but the Left has wrecked the Democratic Party,

so be careful what you wish for.

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“What has he done that is not in the best interest of the country?”

 

For starters, how about pissing off nearly all of the US allies? The guy has ripped up treaties, insulted leaders and has lied so many times no other country trusts anything he says. Not to mention that he would like to dump NATO and cosey up to the Russians. Do you think that is in the best long term interests of the country? And what about the division within the country? I agree that it takes two to tango, but a true leader should be avoiding splitting the country and try take steps to unify the two sides.

 

“Trade deals”? What trade deals have been signed and ratified? Don't think even the USMCA is a done deal yet. There is that little matter of tariffs. And it amazes me that it seems that the US voters think tariffs are a great thing but don’t seem to realize that it is the US citizens that pay the tariffs. And yet with all that extra revenue the US debt is in the worst shape it has ever been.

 

“Crime heading down” - Not hard to reduce the crime rate when you have one of the highest crime rates in the civilized world.

 

“No wars”  How’s that Korean thing shaping up?

 

Yes the economy is doing well, but for how long?

 

“Why would you want to be a president, be away from your business, alienate half or more of your potential customers and for this to be financially beneficial?”

 

Are you serious? Come on, the man is the definition of an egotist. Do you think he also might have a bit of narcissism? That is what drives him. The other day he slipped and referred to Tim Cook as Tim Apple. A simple slip and we all laughed because any of us might have said something like that. But once again Trump tripped over his ego, was offended by the laughter and had to come on to Twitter this morning and say that it was done intentionally  “as an easy way to save time & words” The man is nuts!

 

As far as the financial end is concerned, eventually we will see if he has had good reasons to be treading so lightly with the Russians and the Saudis.

“The other choices are politicians doing nothing or kicking the can down the road on every issue.”

Can’t disagree on the fact that too many politicians can only see as far as the next election, but I don’t think Trump is the solution.

 

 

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It's perfectly reasonable and right for this forum to have constructive political debates with differing views - Echo chambers aren't healthy.

 

And I think it's fairly undeniable that politics in the West has a bigger influence on share price movements than it has for a while.

 

I would just prefer it if everyone was polite.

 

There are lots of opposing views on the investment threads, but I can't think of examples where people insult those who disagree with them.

 

Politics is an emotional thing, and I appreciate that, like Sport, most of us struggle to see the good in the views of 'the opposing team'.

 

But what is so great about this forum is the intelligent ideas put forth.  And given the number of idiots in US politics on both sides right now, it would be amazing to see people here using their great brains to come up with some constructive political debate and discuss how we make things better.

 

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"For starters, how about pissing off nearly all of the US allies? The guy has ripped up treaties, insulted leaders and has lied so many times no other country trusts anything he says. Not to mention that he would like to dump NATO and cosey up to the Russians. Do you think that is in the best long term interests of the country?"

 

Do you manage people at work? Do you have friends? A significant other? (see how politically correct I am)

 

If you do, when these people continually lie to you, dishonour their commitments, what do you do? Let them continue without saying a word?

 

If Obama had brought the same issues, he would be considered a genius. However, nothing would have likely come out of it because he wasn't taken seriously. He was too soft. He called the use of chemical weapons in Syria a red line and did nothing about it. He was the perfect guy to keep abusing of.

 

Now someone came along and using a very different tone brought to the forefront these issues.

 

Surprise, surprise! NATO is still alive and actually getting stronger since the allies are now upping their spending or trying to meet their previously agreed commitment.

 

The same guy also saw Putin developing all kinds of weapons which do not meet the intermediate range Treaty and said: You want to keep making that shit? Then we will too. I am sure that Putin is thrilled at the idea of new weapons being deployed on the European continent squarely aimed at them.

 

He also cranked up sanctions on Russia. So maybe that you want to keep discussing some fantasy but, reality is far different than your thesis about getting cosey with Russia.

 

“Crime heading down” - Not hard to reduce the crime rate when you have one of the highest crime rates in the civilized world.

 

Should I really respond to that? Less crime is positive isn't?

 

“No wars”  How’s that Korean thing shaping up?

 

Since you strongly believe in diplomacy and politically correct stuff, then why is it that this terrible and abrassive man has been able to re-establish some sort of dialogue with this rogue nation?

 

According to your statement, it would have been better off to never have had these discussions and keep starving these people to death while the leaders keep developing nuclear weapons and delivery systems that your favorites (Obama, Hillary) did not care to tell us about?

 

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"... when these people continually lie to you, dishonour their commitments, what do you do? Let them continue without saying a word?"

 

You actually said this??????????? 

 

You know there are rumors around that Mr Trump may have stretched the truth on an occasion or two. Yet your support seems to be unwavering.

 

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You know, it’s really difficult to have a discussion when someone keeps trying to words in your mouth and makes unfounded assumptions about your views.

 

How is it that Trump is "cozying up to Russia"?

 

Trump is Putin's worst nightmare.

 

While Obama refused to assist the Ukraine - Trump turned around and armed the Ukrainians with the latest

anti-tank missiles and other heavy weapons which infuriated Putin.

 

In Syria, when the world laughed at Obama and his "Red Line" that Putin and Assad walked all over -

Trump turned around and destroyed Russian forces as soon as they crossed his "Red Line" and

threatened US Forces in Eastern Syria.

 

And NATO - Trump threatens to not support NATO unless the NATO members keep their promise to

fund THEIR OWN DEFENSE.  No more free rider for Europe on the dole of the United States.

Guess what ? It worked - NATO has never been stronger with the increased contributions of those NATO members.

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Funny how anyone who disagrees with the Trump supporters on this board are labeled “Libtards”, “Lefties”, “Left wing nut jobs”, etc, etc.  Rather childish when you  have to rely on slurs to support a position.

 

I would suggest that there are a LOT on this board, perhaps even the majority, who lean to the right but we do not support Trump and many of his ideas. As one who falls into that category, I can assure you that one can be conservative and not support Mr. Trump.

 

The irony is that Trump is neither right or left. He is simply on whatever side happens to be to his personal benefit - either politically or financially.

 

He has simply given a frustrated minority on far right a figurehead they delude themselves into believing that he has the country’s best interests at heart.

 

If that was the case he would not be POTUS.  He was supported and elected by a large number of voters.  He is enabled NOW by almost all GOP members in government. 

 

Having said that, it is absolutely fantastic he was elected, seriously. We always say that things have to get far worse before they get better, right?  Well, this seems to be the inflection point.

 

Due to Trump's election, finally, there might be a focus on the reduction of system corruption/crony capitalism and the realization that authoritarian regimes interfere in and corrupt our free world.  Any interference by Russia in the election is nothing compared to what's going on.  Countless of organizations work in the US to influence the public and those in power; autocrats publish ads in the NYT; countless cyber attacks on the military and so on.  A couple of years ago there was only the occasional news article about this, but now thanks to Trump it has become a daily event.  Just look at the past week, it's fantastic.

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