Cutting the nose to spite the face

[Gregmal]

So the lefties kill Amazon in NY, costing tens of thousands of people jobs and many more the benefits of extra economic activity, well, to further their own political ambitions????

 

I can already see the parades! Octazio Cortex up on the pulpit, all crazy and cross eyed looking, giant forehead glistening in the sun, with her gangly teeth exposed ear to ear, shouting "we did it! we killed this project and showed those dozen members of the 1% who is boss!"

 

What are things coming to in this country... At least this shit it still only, at least for the most part, in dirty big cities.

[DTEJD1997]

I think NYC made the right decision!

 

Why should smaller businesses paying full taxes subsidize AMZN who is going to get BIGLY tax breaks?

 

To add insult to injury, AMZN is then going to do it's best to put the smaller, local businesses OUT OF BUSINESS?

 

Seems to me that some businesses are "more equal than others".

 

Hell, if I got the benefits of AMZN, I could expand my business and hire more people too!

 

How about this?  Local government works to encourage ALL businesses, keeps taxation low to begin with and gives no subsidies to "preferred" businesses?

[Gregmal]

I totally agree on the subsidies. No way Amazon should be getting anything. Let NY and lefties suffer the consequences of high taxes... That said, this was already sealed, and got derailed more or less because of political backlash.

[rkbabang]

I think NYC made the right decision!

 

Why should smaller businesses paying full taxes subsidize AMZN who is going to get BIGLY tax breaks?

 

To add insult to injury, AMZN is then going to do it's best to put the smaller, local businesses OUT OF BUSINESS?

 

Seems to me that some businesses are "more equal than others".

 

Hell, if I got the benefits of AMZN, I could expand my business and hire more people too!

 

Fair enough.

 

How about this?  Local government works to encourage ALL businesses, keeps taxation low to begin with and gives no subsidies to "preferred" businesses?

 

Ha ha ha ha ha .... yeah, that isn't going to happen. There is a reason people are fleeing NY for other states.

 

https://www.bizjournals.com/newyork/news/2018/05/25/new-york-ranks-no-1-in-losing-residents-to-other.html

https://miami.cbslocal.com/2019/02/08/south-florida-luxury-condos-being-scooped-up-by-relocating-new-yorkers-looking-to-save-on-taxes/

https://www.crainsnewyork.com/letters-editor/his-wealthy-clients-are-fleeing-new-york-never

https://nypost.com/2019/01/19/why-more-people-are-leaving-new-york-than-any-other-state/

 

[LC]

I think you're missing the big picture if you attribute people leaving NYC as purely about taxes.

 

This is the more common reason, not taxes:

 

In 2017, with a baby on the way, Lia LoBello Reynolds and Colin Reynolds realized staying in the city wasn’t feasible and commuting to and from the suburbs each day wasn’t a life they wanted.

 

[Castanza]

I think you're missing the big picture if you attribute people leaving NYC as purely about taxes.

 

This is the more common reason, not taxes:

 

In 2017, with a baby on the way, Lia LoBello Reynolds and Colin Reynolds realized staying in the city wasn’t feasible and commuting to and from the suburbs each day wasn’t a life they wanted.

 

Tell that to the 5700 millionaires that left NJ in 2018

[LC]

I think you're missing the big picture if you attribute people leaving NYC as purely about taxes.

 

This is the more common reason, not taxes:

 

In 2017, with a baby on the way, Lia LoBello Reynolds and Colin Reynolds realized staying in the city wasn’t feasible and commuting to and from the suburbs each day wasn’t a life they wanted.

 

Tell that to the 5700 millionaires that left NJ in 2018

 

The entire thread is about NYC, not New Jersey. They are different places...

[Gregmal]

I think you're missing the big picture if you attribute people leaving NYC as purely about taxes.

 

This is the more common reason, not taxes:

 

In 2017, with a baby on the way, Lia LoBello Reynolds and Colin Reynolds realized staying in the city wasn’t feasible and commuting to and from the suburbs each day wasn’t a life they wanted.

 

Tell that to the 5700 millionaires that left NJ in 2018

 

The entire thread is about NYC, not New Jersey. They are different places...

 

LOL OK LC. How predictable...

[Gregmal]

Here's the official statement from bug eyes:

 

 

"defeated Amazon’s corporate greed, its worker exploitation, and the power of the richest man in the world"

 

Ugh, literally every city in the country was on their knees for this...but yea, you "defeated" the richest man in the world...to spite tens of thousands of lower and middle class people. What a dumb bitch...

 

 

 

 

 

[LC]

Ugh, literally every city in the country was on their knees for this...but yea, you "defeated" the richest man in the world...to spite tens of thousands of lower and middle class people. What a dumb bitch...

 

Woof  :-\

 

You say some pretty vile things.

[Gregmal]

LOL indeed. Shall we go through all the names for Trump on this forum? Many just as bad if not worse? Didn't take long to make my point. Outrage is one sided...

[Gregmal]

Even Cuomo is furious at these pea brained puppets

 

https://nypost.com/2019/02/14/andrew-cuomo-blames-democrats-for-killing-amazon-hq2-deal/

[Cardboard]

Now AOC and Trump have a common enemy: The Washington Post. LOL!

 

This will hang around her neck like an albatross for her entire political career. I have seen people mad at Wal-Mart when it was expanding into small towns and making small mom and pop shops to close but, such vitriol and all for the wrong reasons:

 

"defeated Amazon’s corporate greed, its worker exploitation, and the power of the richest man in the world"

 

Wow! If she had simply stated that she was opposed to tax breaks, impact to real estate and that no agreement could be reached that would have been understandable but, to turn down 25,000 solid jobs for this reasoning, nuts!

 

Then the same people including supporters of Bernie who keep talking to us about income equality, economic mobility (can you name some on this website?). Yup! Then they fight for minimum wage of $15/hour in NYC and universal basic income... Keep people earning below poverty line you say?

 

It is funny but, I have never heard that Seattle was suffering that badly because Amazon has its HQ there.

[Spekulatius]

NYC doesn’t need the Amazon headquarter or these jobs, there is already full employment, no affordable housing. I think spending the $3B in tax breaks wisely or even better reduce the sky high taxation ( ha ha) or just making the city more livable would secure just as many jobs.

The jobs are needed in the suburbs of NYC or upstate, but not in NYC.

 

FWIW, the GOOG and AMZN need to be where people are nowadays

not the other way around. The hipster techies are not going to move to Huntsville , Alabama. They go to a place that has cultural amenities and tech hubs with plenty of jobs, where they can find another job, when their job doesn’t work out without moving.

 

I also think that the whole idea of a “second split headquarter” is ludicrous.

[Castanza]

Now AOC and Trump have a common enemy: The Washington Post. LOL!

 

This will hang around her neck like an albatross for her entire political career. I have seen people mad at Wal-Mart when it was expanding into small towns and making small mom and pop shops to close but, such vitriol and all for the wrong reasons:

 

"defeated Amazon’s corporate greed, its worker exploitation, and the power of the richest man in the world"

 

Wow! If she had simply stated that she was opposed to tax breaks, impact to real estate and that no agreement could be reached that would have been understandable but, to turn down 25,000 solid jobs for this reasoning, nuts!

 

Then the same people including supporters of Bernie who keep talking to us about income equality, economic mobility (can you name some on this website?). Yup! Then they fight for minimum wage of $15/hour in NYC and universal basic income... Keep people earning below poverty line you say?

 

It is funny but, I have never heard that Seattle was suffering that badly because Amazon has its HQ there.

 

People often forget it's not big corporations that put mom and pop shops out of business. It's the consumer. People could choose not to shop at Walmart or Amazon. They could choose to pay more and support their local shops but instead everyone chooses to be a hypocrites and simultaneously buy from and bash the same companies.

 

Yes, there are advantages these large companies get (tax breaks) are a great example. But no matter what, it all comes down to individuals voting with their own wallets. Don't talk the talk if you can't walk the walk.

[rkbabang]

This is a quote from an article by author L. Neil Smith that will be published in The Libertarian Enterprise this Sunday.  (I have an advance copy by email so I can put a link to it yet, I'll edit this post on Sunday to link to it).

 

"Keep in mind that every time these municipal socialists mention that three billion dollars they say they were going to have to "give" to Amazon, what they really mean is three billion dollars that doesn't exist yet, that they were going to refrain from stealing from Amazon in order to encourage the company to establish itself in New York. "

 

[Cardboard]

That is awesome Rkbabang!

 

Reminds me of this protection of property rights while in effect they don't exist. Stop paying your municipal taxes for a while and see what happens!

[Gregmal]

Now AOC and Trump have a common enemy: The Washington Post. LOL!

 

This will hang around her neck like an albatross for her entire political career. I have seen people mad at Wal-Mart when it was expanding into small towns and making small mom and pop shops to close but, such vitriol and all for the wrong reasons:

 

"defeated Amazon’s corporate greed, its worker exploitation, and the power of the richest man in the world"

 

Wow! If she had simply stated that she was opposed to tax breaks, impact to real estate and that no agreement could be reached that would have been understandable but, to turn down 25,000 solid jobs for this reasoning, nuts!

 

Then the same people including supporters of Bernie who keep talking to us about income equality, economic mobility (can you name some on this website?). Yup! Then they fight for minimum wage of $15/hour in NYC and universal basic income... Keep people earning below poverty line you say?

 

It is funny but, I have never heard that Seattle was suffering that badly because Amazon has its HQ there.

 

People often forget it's not big corporations that put mom and pop shops out of business. It's the consumer. People could choose not to shop at Walmart or Amazon. They could choose to pay more and support their local shops but instead everyone chooses to be a hypocrites and simultaneously buy from and bash the same companies.

 

Yes, there are advantages these large companies get (tax breaks) are a great example. But no matter what, it all comes down to individuals voting with their own wallets. Don't talk the talk if you can't walk the walk.

 

Lets also not forget that Amazon the retailer is an online company. This HQ2 was mostly well paying white collar corporate jobs. So it doesn't even have anything tp do with putting local businesses out of business either.

 

Frankly, the Democratic Party has gotten so out there, I'm beginning to think Trump could get re-elected in 2020. Previously, I saw him as only a one term president. I mean even De Blasio, the biggest moron in the world is flipping out on some of these new bozo socialists that represent a good chunk of the party.

[rkbabang]

That is awesome Rkbabang!

 

Reminds me of this protection of property rights while in effect they don't exist. Stop paying your municipal taxes for a while and see what happens!

 

Same thing will happen if someone stops paying their protection money to the mob.  Armed men will be sent out to deal with me.

 

But if someone else makes a deal to not have to pay such protection money good for them.  Being paid welfare is not the same as not being stolen from.  Socialists like to equate the two.