Gregmal Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 From any of the liberals who went out of their way to slander Judge Kavanaugh? To brand him an anti women, anti Planned Parenthood, guarantee to overturn Roe vs Wade partisan hack? Not holding my breathe... This isn't the first time he has gone against party lines either. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/10/supreme-court-hamstrings-states-efforts-to-defund-planned-parenthood.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsad Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 From any of the liberals who went out of their way to slander Judge Kavanaugh? To brand him an anti women, anti Planned Parenthood, guarantee to overturn Roe vs Wade partisan hack? Not holding my breathe... This isn't the first time he has gone against party lines either. https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/10/supreme-court-hamstrings-states-efforts-to-defund-planned-parenthood.html Funding Planned Parenthood and Roe Vs Wade are two very different issues. Planned Parenthood is simply seeking funds to cover medical procedures...that is independent of the question of abortion as Clarence Thomas put it. I would be very surprised if Judge Kavanaugh doesn't vote in line with conservative views on the question of abortion...if he does side with liberals on this, then yes, I would owe him an apology as would many other liberals. But don't put the cart before the horse. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 Technically you are right. But let's not pretend that the aggression some states and Republicans are showing towards Planned Parenthood aren't abortion related. Because we all know PP is where most of the lemmings go to fix their self created problems...And that's essentially what this is about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubsfan Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Kudos to you Parsad! - a voice of reason in the crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsad Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Technically you are right. But let's not pretend that the aggression some states and Republicans are showing towards Planned Parenthood aren't abortion related. Because we all know PP is where most of the lemmings go to fix their self created problems...And that's essentially what this is about. If you're fat and overweight from eating too many hamburgers, should you be denied a medical procedure that would save your life? If you suffer from depression because of your spouse's or child's accidental death while using your phone and driving, should you be denied counselling and medication? If you get knocked up or knock someone up, because you made a bad decision in the heat of the moment or birth control failed, should you have to live with that error in judgement for the rest of your life and be denied a medical procedure? You are talking about people...not lemmings. Mistakes happen by the most conscientious of people, not only reckless people. Like Trump sleeping with his numerous mistresses...he's just fortunate he hasn't accidentally knocked one up! Or maybe he has and...! Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Technically you are right. But let's not pretend that the aggression some states and Republicans are showing towards Planned Parenthood aren't abortion related. Because we all know PP is where most of the lemmings go to fix their self created problems...And that's essentially what this is about. No, in fact this is a political move from a state to attempt to allocate federal funds however they want. As you know, states who receive federal money must adhere to certain federal guidelines. The state of course would like to do whatever they please with federal money. That is the issue, at least on the surface. The state, in this case, are only using the topic of PP/abortion as an attempt to bait judges into securing their vote. And, unsurprisingly, federal judges vote in favor of the federal government. Also unsurprisingly, the states know this. And they all know bringing such a lawsuit is disingenuous. But now they get to say, "Judge XYZ voted for abortions!" and not be lying. It's political theater. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregmal Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 Technically you are right. But let's not pretend that the aggression some states and Republicans are showing towards Planned Parenthood aren't abortion related. Because we all know PP is where most of the lemmings go to fix their self created problems...And that's essentially what this is about. No, in fact this is a political move from a state to attempt to allocate federal funds however they want. As you know, states who receive federal money must adhere to certain federal guidelines. The state of course would like to do whatever they please with federal money. That is the issue, at least on the surface. The state, in this case, are only using the topic of PP/abortion as an attempt to bait judges into securing their vote. And, unsurprisingly, federal judges vote in favor of the federal government. Also unsurprisingly, the states know this. And they all know bringing such a lawsuit is disingenuous. But now they get to say, "Judge XYZ voted for abortions!" and not be lying. It's political theater. It's "not surprising federal judges vote in favor of the federal government" you say? What are you even talking about?? From the article: But Justice Clarence Thomas dissented from the decision. He was joined by fellow conservatives Justices Neil Gorsuch and Samuel Alito. Four justices must agree to take up a case in order for the court to hear it. The court would have taken up the case had either Kavanaugh or Roberts, the chief justice, wanted to do so. Kavanaugh, the "anti abortion partisan hack" you guys claimed, sided against the other conservative judges.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 What you're saying is a clarification but changes nothing. Let's say Kavanaugh takes it up. Then the dissenting judges vote against. Now we have a useless precedent set, and even more political ammo at play. Lose lose for everyone. A political booby trap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrB Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Technically you are right. But let's not pretend that the aggression some states and Republicans are showing towards Planned Parenthood aren't abortion related. Because we all know PP is where most of the lemmings go to fix their self created problems...And that's essentially what this is about. If you're fat and overweight from eating too many hamburgers, should you be denied a medical procedure that would save your life? If you suffer from depression because of your spouse's or child's accidental death while using your phone and driving, should you be denied counselling and medication? If you get knocked up or knock someone up, because you made a bad decision in the heat of the moment or birth control failed, should you have to live with that error in judgement for the rest of your life and be denied a medical procedure? You are talking about people...not lemmings. Mistakes happen by the most conscientious of people, not only reckless people. Like Trump sleeping with his numerous mistresses...he's just fortunate he hasn't accidentally knocked one up! Or maybe he has and...! Cheers! Exactly, "you are talking about people...not lemmings". Don't lose sight of the victim in the case of abortion. In the case of abortion you have a defenseless person as the victim, not someone that ate too many hamburgers, suffer from depression, knocked up someone else or who has been knocked up. The reality of abortion is that if my my mother or yours decided to intervene any time after conception me and you would not be having this conversation. Why does my mother, father, boyfriend, counselor or the State get the right to deny me life? I think the list of reasons why someone should have had the right to deny me my life gets a lot shorter when I look at it from the point of the victim. Thank God for those who are willing to speak up for the victims in the face of the opposition. Truth is people don't like others getting in the way of their "heat of the moment"-fun. Fun at night, abortion in the morning. Let's rock on! It's despicable and it's wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cardboard Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Totally agree with you MrB. With all the means available including next day pill, abortion should not be required unless there is life danger to the mother or the child will not live, etc. Quite a shame for our society to accept that so easily. This is not some "regular" medical procedure or life saving treatment. Cardboard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ERICOPOLY Posted December 11, 2018 Share Posted December 11, 2018 Perhaps you just don't have that effect on women to understand the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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