Snowflake Fabrications

[Gregmal]

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/license-meme-social-media-mocks-racist-reactions-latest-idris-elba-bond-rumors-143505638.html

 

So let me get this straight... Nothing has even happened yet, and these people have completely fabricated a narrative, branded people racists, and started an outrage campaign??? For something that doesn't even exist?

[Gregmal]

I think you misread the article — it indicated that there have already been intolerant comments online. Which the humorous comments responded to, "...rather than simply engaging with those trolls."

 

My take is that your being upset by this and feeling that you needed to create a thread dedicated to it suggests that you are the one with the sensitive, snowflake-like feelings.

 

This week a new report indicated that such casting may actually take place — and the response on Twitter has been especially pointed.

 

As one might expect, many have reacted to this news with less-than-tolerant online comments, given that Elba is black and Bond has historically been white.

 

"a few fans have used this potential casting news to joke about the racist treatment an Elba Bond might actually face — all as a way to both turn the tables on those who might object to his participation because of his skin color and to simultaneously address heated issues that remain front and center in contemporary society."

 

Secondarily, I don't know how people having a more than half century old perception of what James Bond would or should look like makes them racist...

 

 

[SafetyinNumbers]

I think the speculation started in 2015 so we have already seen what the reaction was back then. Just some poor reporting by the “journalist” to not point that out.

 

Trevor Noah even did a bit about it in a special.

 

https://youtu.be/riKAW0Iil4g

[Guest MarkS]

Gillian Anderson is also in the running for the part.  https://www.thewrap.com/next-james-bond-idris-elba-tom-hiddleston-damian-lewis-jamie-bell-aidan-turner-james-norton-gillian-anderson-daniel-craig-007/

The people fixated on casting Elba for the part are clearly misogynist.

[SharperDingaan]

"Secondarily, I don't know how people having a more than half century old perception of what James Bond would or should look like makes them racist..."

 

It's simply modernization, and the changing of culture with the times.

The objectors just aren't able to move on, and have a public venue in which to vent in.

 

Q becoming the young techy 'nerd', M becoming a women, Bond becoming a .......

All evidence that pushing the envelope is not a bad thing.

 

At one time the Canadian Mountie had to be male, white, 6'2"+, and handy with his fist/club - all desirable things back in early 1900.

Today our Mountie comes in a variety of dress, both genders, lots of colours, a number of heights, and is handy in many diferent areas - all desirable things in early 2000. Times change, and so do Mounties. Bond is no different.

 

Our own vote is for JANE Bond  ....

The black James would just keep getting pulled over!

 

SD

 

 

 

 

 

[nkp007]

 

Secondarily, I don't know how people having a more than half century old perception of what James Bond would or should look like makes them racist...

[Guest MarkS]

SharperDingaan

 

"Our own vote is for JANE Bond  ....

The black James would just keep getting pulled over!"

 

Well done!

[Guest MarkS]

Seriously though - Black men represent just slightly over 1% of the British population.  Casting Elba as Bond - the quintessential British spy - strikes me as political correctness run amuck. 

[ScottHall]

If you own/control the IP, you can do whatever you want.

 

This reminds me of the big blow-up on '80s Bruh Twitter about the new She-Ra cartoon being designed with shorts. People who can emotionally invest in these sort of matters generally don't have much of interest to say.

 

When your life revolves around the fantasy worlds of others, to the point that it causes you emotional distress, it is time to figure out some of your own hobbies that you can have a hand in sculpting. No need to have a tantrum over someone else's art when you can create your own.

 

Not to say this isn't all very educational, because it is to me. The strong aversion people have to seeing their favorite nostalgia acts "mutilated" in front of them highlights the power of media and modern mythology to leave lasting impressions. Disney is a business that makes billions off of children and the nostalgia, in a sense temporary infantilization, of adults.

 

The adults bring their kids to a movie or park, and then in thirty years the kids begin to bring their own. The adults get to relive the memories of good times with their parents, and pass them down to their own children to continue the cycle. There's something to that.

 

Just IMO.

[rb]

Seriously though - Black men represent just slightly over 1% of the British population.  Casting Elba as Bond - the quintessential British spy - strikes me as political correctness run amuck.

 

Well they dis cast and Irishman so... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[rukawa]

I hate political correctness but I think Elba would make a great Bond or even anything else for that matter. He is a fantastic actor and I think he would have an interesting take on it.

 

I had a much bigger problem with the female Ghostbusters or the lesbian Batwoman. It just seems like left wing liberals have decided to exert their power by arbitrarily assigning characters some mix of transgender, racial or other characteristics that don't really add anything to the story. Its annoying and arbitrary.

 

I also just don't get how these people have so much power. I mean whole companies have been driven into the ground by liberal bullshit being pushed down customers throats. On the other hand conservative media are making money hand over fist. Its an incredible irony that the free market that conservatives favor is actually leading to a culture that conservatives hate. Liberals have taken over most of corporate America.

[SharperDingaan]

The target market is 'people of colour', black is just one of many shades.

'People of colour' are also a lot more than 1% of the UK population, and their inclusion is quite relevant. Given that Prince Harry's wife is a 'person of colour', in todays UK society it's pretty hard to argue against.

 

The 'old' Bond's time was the cold-war era, & most of the movie-going public were born AFTER it ended (no experience with it).

Cast the 'new' Bond's time as today, and Bond as a women/'person of colour', & you've both a bigger audience and refreshed product.

A very smart business decision, not a political one.

 

JANE Bond also doesn't just break the mold, she also captures 1/2 the UK population via role modelling, and works against comparison to the 'old' Bonds - grandpas/dads Bonds. Out with the fossils who can't change, & in with the young - as it's our time now!.

There's also prior precedent with 'Lara Croft'

 

No political correctness involved.

 

SD

 

 

[Gregmal]

The target market is 'people of colour', black is just one of many shades.

'People of colour' are also a lot more than 1% of the UK population, and their inclusion is quite relevant. Given that Prince Harry's wife is a 'person of colour', in todays UK society it's pretty hard to argue against.

 

The 'old' Bond's time was the cold-war era, & most of the movie-going public were born AFTER it ended (no experience with it).

Cast the 'new' Bond's time as today, and Bond as a women/'person of colour', & you've both a bigger audience and refreshed product.

A very smart business decision, not a political one.

 

JANE Bond also doesn't just break the mold, she also captures 1/2 the UK population via role modelling, and works against comparison to the 'old' Bonds - grandpas/dads Bonds. Out with the fossils who can't change, & in with the young - as it's our time now!.

There's also prior precedent with 'Lara Croft'

 

No political correctness involved.

 

SD

 

I wonder if the snowflakes would then write articles anticipating Jane Bond being "slut shamed" or whatever the stupid term used this day to justify promiscuity.

 

While I don't think it would really alter things that much if Bond was played by a non-tradtional looking Bond actor, I just also don't see why society needs to "prove" things are different by forcefully pushing EVERYTHING to change, even when it isn't really needed. Given that Bond is still predominantly controlled by the original family that's overseen this franchise pretty much from the beginning, why not just let them do their thing. They've been quite successful with it, and as a big time Bond fan, I can't say any of their choices have been too bad. Even Timothy Dalton.

[LC]

Why do you assume they are "pushing" anything? Isn't it rather as SD says above, a response to a changing social climate?

 

[Guest MarkS]

LC,

 

SD argues: "Cast the 'new' Bond's time as today, and Bond as a women/'person of colour', & you've both a bigger audience and refreshed product."  By process of elimination (basically) he is saying anyone but a white male.  Daniel Craig has been amongst the most successful Bonds ever so I'm not sure where he's going with his conclusion that the franchise is dated. SD is apparently convinced that there isn't another white male actor who could perform as well as Craig at least from a business perspective.  Since his sweeping conclusion has been made before the first screen test takes place, one could in good conscious conclude that he is pushing an agenda rather than offering the idea as a good business decision. 

[Gregmal]

Why do you assume they are "pushing" anything? Isn't it rather as SD says above, a response to a changing social climate?

 

I don't assume anything. For the past decade there has been a major push for a non-traditional Bond. It's not exactly been subtle either.

 

I'm not against it, I just don't really care either way and would prefer the Broccoli family do what they think is necessary to stay true the integrity of the franchise. Simply rolling over and turning one of the greatest movie franchises ever into a political statement would be a disgrace. To this point they've obviously done a great job and I'm pretty sure Barbara has even hinted that there might be changes ahead. I don't know how many people here are that into Bond, but the last couple movies have even had some innuendo Bond may be bi-sexual. As long as it's done in a way that is true to that franchise and doesn't cheapen it; you know, rather than just give in the same way many do, simply to make a political statement. Kind like how America has spent the past two decades yearning for a black president, and a female president, well, just because... it checks a box on the imaginary "look how far we've come" checklist.

[SharperDingaan]

LC,

 

SD argues: "Cast the 'new' Bond's time as today, and Bond as a women/'person of colour', & you've both a bigger audience and refreshed product."  By process of elimination (basically) he is saying anyone but a white male.  Daniel Craig has been amongst the most successful Bonds ever so I'm not sure where he's going with his conclusion that the franchise is dated. SD is apparently convinced that there isn't another white male actor who could perform as well as Craig at least from a business perspective.  Since his sweeping conclusion has been made before the first screen test takes place, one could in good conscious conclude that he is pushing an agenda rather than offering the idea as a good business decision.

 

I suggested that its an opportunity to refresh the franchise, and a business decision.

Going forward a female bond might well sell more tickets and contribute to a stronger franchise extension, than another male will.

Marketing 201.

 

We all make business decisions every day, they are not agenda's.

If we're right we do very well, if we're wrong we just revert back to what we had (same as coke).

Too busy making money.

 

SD

 

 

 

[Spekulatius]

LC,

 

SD argues: "Cast the 'new' Bond's time as today, and Bond as a women/'person of colour', & you've both a bigger audience and refreshed product."  By process of elimination (basically) he is saying anyone but a white male.  Daniel Craig has been amongst the most successful Bonds ever so I'm not sure where he's going with his conclusion that the franchise is dated. SD is apparently convinced that there isn't another white male actor who could perform as well as Craig at least from a business perspective.  Since his sweeping conclusion has been made before the first screen test takes place, one could in good conscious conclude that he is pushing an agenda rather than offering the idea as a good business decision.

 

I suggested that its an opportunity to refresh the franchise, and a business decision.

Going forward a female bond might well sell more tickets and contribute to a stronger franchise extension, than another male will.

Marketing 201.

 

We all make business decisions every day, they are not 'agenda's.

If we're right we do very well, if we're wrong we just revert back to what we had (same as coke).

Too busy making money.

 

SD

 

The Bond franchise has changed over the years and ai expect this to continue. After having 2 smooth as silk bonds like Sean Connery, Roger Moore and Pierce Brosnan, I enjoyed the hard knuckle Daniel Craig. I don’t think the skin color of the actors matter much, but I think the main character should be different than his predecessors. Just keep it distinctively British, in terms of humor and background and don’t create just another American action movie.

[Parsad]

The target market is 'people of colour', black is just one of many shades.

'People of colour' are also a lot more than 1% of the UK population, and their inclusion is quite relevant. Given that Prince Harry's wife is a 'person of colour', in todays UK society it's pretty hard to argue against.

 

The 'old' Bond's time was the cold-war era, & most of the movie-going public were born AFTER it ended (no experience with it).

Cast the 'new' Bond's time as today, and Bond as a women/'person of colour', & you've both a bigger audience and refreshed product.

A very smart business decision, not a political one.

 

JANE Bond also doesn't just break the mold, she also captures 1/2 the UK population via role modelling, and works against comparison to the 'old' Bonds - grandpas/dads Bonds. Out with the fossils who can't change, & in with the young - as it's our time now!.

There's also prior precedent with 'Lara Croft'

 

No political correctness involved.

 

SD

 

I wonder if the snowflakes would then write articles anticipating Jane Bond being "slut shamed" or whatever the stupid term used this day to justify promiscuity.

 

While I don't think it would really alter things that much if Bond was played by a non-tradtional looking Bond actor, I just also don't see why society needs to "prove" things are different by forcefully pushing EVERYTHING to change, even when it isn't really needed. Given that Bond is still predominantly controlled by the original family that's overseen this franchise pretty much from the beginning, why not just let them do their thing. They've been quite successful with it, and as a big time Bond fan, I can't say any of their choices have been too bad. Even Timothy Dalton.

 

I think your comments are exactly what "the snowflakes" were projecting they would see.  What is the harm in Bond being black?  Just as what was the harm in him being white or some other ethnicity?  Fifty years ago, we still had segregation. 

 

Thank God it's not like 50 years ago, where Peter Sellers portrayed a South-Indian person similar to blackface in "The Party".  I'm hoping society has become more illuminated in 50 years!

 

I'm not offended if Bond is white, black or a woman.  Just like I wouldn't be offended if these changes occurred with Batman or some other fictional character. 

 

Cheers!

[Parsad]

LC,

 

SD argues: "Cast the 'new' Bond's time as today, and Bond as a women/'person of colour', & you've both a bigger audience and refreshed product."  By process of elimination (basically) he is saying anyone but a white male.  Daniel Craig has been amongst the most successful Bonds ever so I'm not sure where he's going with his conclusion that the franchise is dated. SD is apparently convinced that there isn't another white male actor who could perform as well as Craig at least from a business perspective.  Since his sweeping conclusion has been made before the first screen test takes place, one could in good conscious conclude that he is pushing an agenda rather than offering the idea as a good business decision.

 

I suggested that its an opportunity to refresh the franchise, and a business decision.

Going forward a female bond might well sell more tickets and contribute to a stronger franchise extension, than another male will.

Marketing 201.

 

We all make business decisions every day, they are not 'agenda's.

If we're right we do very well, if we're wrong we just revert back to what we had (same as coke).

Too busy making money.

 

SD

 

The Bond franchise has changed over the years and ai expect this to continue. After having 2 smooth as silk bonds like Sean Connery, Roger Moore and Pierce Brosnan, I enjoyed the hard knuckle Daniel Craig. I don’t think the skin color of the actors matter much, but I think the main character should be different than his predecessors. Just keep it distinctively British, in terms of humor and background and don’t create just another American action movie.

 

The "007" designation can be assigned to anyone...it's doesn't have to be "Jane Bond".  You could retire the "Bond" character, especially considering what happened in the last two stories where he's seeking to leave the spy life, and have someone else reprise the "007" role under a new name. 

 

You watch Charlize Theron in Atomic Blonde, Kate Beckinsale in the "Underworld" series, Evangeline Lilly in "Ant Man & Wasp" or Rebecca Ferguson in the last two "Mission Impossibles" and a female 007 looks quite enticing!

 

Regardless, it's a fictional character and I welcome any changes that continue to make the franchise entertaining and exciting.  Cheers!

[LC]

SD argues: "Cast the 'new' Bond's time as today, and Bond as a women/'person of colour', & you've both a bigger audience and refreshed product."  By process of elimination (basically) he is saying anyone but a white male.   Daniel Craig has been amongst the most successful Bonds ever so I'm not sure where he's going with his conclusion that the franchise is dated. SD is apparently convinced that there isn't another white male actor who could perform as well as Craig at least from a business perspective.  Since his sweeping conclusion has been made before the first screen test takes place, one could in good conscious conclude that he is pushing an agenda rather than offering the idea as a good business decision.

 

You must be exhausted from jumping through those logical hoops towards a bogus conclusion.

 

I just wonder where the outrage was when they cast Pierce Brosnan, an IRISHMAN (shh!)

 

Oh right, there wasn't. Because nobody gives a damn until the skin color changes, apparently.

I guess the only way a black guy could play Bond is due to some social-political agenda?

The only way a black guy could be President is so American can check a box?

 

Maybe they're just good at their jobs.

[LC]

I don't assume anything. For the past decade there has been a major push for a non-traditional Bond. It's not exactly been subtle either.

 

I'm not against it, I just don't really care either way and would prefer the Broccoli family do what they think is necessary to stay true the integrity of the franchise. Simply rolling over and turning one of the greatest movie franchises ever into a political statement would be a disgrace

 

I don't get it. So you're saying there's been a social push for decades for a non-traditional Bond. OK let's accept that.

 

There hasn't been a non-traditional Bond over that decade, so this "push" has apparently not amounted to anything.

 

Now once a black dude is in the mix, it's because of this previously-unsuccessful social push, and not because he is a good actor and fits the role?

 

Instead of saying, "wow Elba is a damn good actor and a good fit for the role, maybe that's why he is being considered", you're instead arguing that a decade-long push which has never been successful, is suddenly the cause of his consideration?  :-X

[rb]

LOL imagine if it is Elba and the villain is Igor and the bond girl is a nice white Russian model - totally plausible plot given recent events. Blood vessels will pop. 

[Guest MarkS]

LC

 

I wasn't particularly mad or outraged over what SD wrote.  I was just pointing out the he was advocating against a group just because of the dangly parts between their legs and the color of the skin.

 

 

Shhh! They even cast an Ausie once.

[Gregmal]

LOL They just can't help but trip over themselves!

 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/people-outraged-jack-whitehalls-playing-disneys-first-openly-gay-character-jungle-cruise-damn-shame-150335651.html

 

James Bond can be any color or gender, yes as seen here James Bond should even be a female according to some. I'm not arguing. But a gay CHARACTER has to be played by a gay person? Funny how that works.