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Canada is wealthier than America and has better social safety nets. Canada can accept more migrants/refugees than it is doing today but looks like it isn't.

 

The numbers being talked about is in the thousands not in the hundreds of thousands

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-canada/canada-talks-to-u-s-about-illegal-migration-unsure-about-surge-idUSKBN1FP2OQ

 

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Canada is wealthier than America and has better social safety nets. Canada can accept more migrants/refugees than it is doing today but looks like it isn't.

 

The numbers being talked about is in the thousands not in the hundreds of thousands

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-canada/canada-talks-to-u-s-about-illegal-migration-unsure-about-surge-idUSKBN1FP2OQ

 

wut, wut, wut?  accept THOUSANDS of immigrants?  Canada should be accepting MILLIONS of immigrants!

 

Why can't they follow America's lead on this?  I thought they were a compassionate society?

 

I would not be at all surprised if the estimates of illegal immigrants in the USA is being VASTLY under stated by EVERYBODY.

 

I lived in Texas, near Houston for many years.  The Houston area ALONE most definitely has 1MM+ illegal immigrants.  Not all of them are from Mexico and Central/South America either...

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wut, wut, wut?  accept THOUSANDS of immigrants?  Canada should be accepting MILLIONS of immigrants!

 

Why can't they follow America's lead on this?  I thought they were a compassionate society?

 

I would not be at all surprised if the estimates of illegal immigrants in the USA is being VASTLY under stated by EVERYBODY.

 

I lived in Texas, near Houston for many years.  The Houston area ALONE most definitely has 1MM+ illegal immigrants.  Not all of them are from Mexico and Central/South America either...

 

Um, Houston has a population of 2 million people. You're saying that it's actually 3 million people, and that 1 in 3 people in Houston are undocumented immigrants?

 

Alternatively, the Houston metro area has 6 million people, so you're saying it's actually 7 million people, and that 1 in 7 people in Houston are undocumented immigrants?

 

I also lived in Houston for many years (and grew up near Houston in Sugar Land), and your numbers are... way off.

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wut, wut, wut?  accept THOUSANDS of immigrants?  Canada should be accepting MILLIONS of immigrants!

 

Why can't they follow America's lead on this?  I thought they were a compassionate society?

 

I would not be at all surprised if the estimates of illegal immigrants in the USA is being VASTLY under stated by EVERYBODY.

 

I lived in Texas, near Houston for many years.  The Houston area ALONE most definitely has 1MM+ illegal immigrants.  Not all of them are from Mexico and Central/South America either...

 

Um, Houston has a population of 2 million people. You're saying that it's actually 3 million people, and that 1 in 3 people in Houston are undocumented immigrants?

 

Alternatively, the Houston metro area has 6 million people, so you're saying it's actually 7 million people, and that 1 in 7 people in Houston are undocumented immigrants?

 

I also lived in Houston for many years (and grew up near Houston in Sugar Land), and your numbers are... way off.

 

I am talking about the general Houston area including Baytown/Pasadena and the nearby suburbs.

 

If you don't think there are a lot (hundreds of thousands+) of illegal aliens in/around the Houston area...I don't know what to say other than we can disagree.

 

 

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Canada is wealthier than America and has better social safety nets. Canada can accept more migrants/refugees than it is doing today but looks like it isn't.

 

The numbers being talked about is in the thousands not in the hundreds of thousands

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-canada/canada-talks-to-u-s-about-illegal-migration-unsure-about-surge-idUSKBN1FP2OQ

 

Canada accepts about 300,000 legal immigrants each year, or about 1% of the population. Legal immigration includes 3 classes of immigrants:

 

- skilled immigrants

- family reunions

- refugees

 

The numbers mentioned in the article are *illegal* asylum seekers that crossed the border from the US. About 20K in 2017 and another 7K in Q1 2018.

 

Why isn't the US doing more to stop the flow of illegals into Canada? Surely you can do better than Mexico.

 

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wut, wut, wut?  accept THOUSANDS of immigrants?  Canada should be accepting MILLIONS of immigrants!

 

Why can't they follow America's lead on this?  I thought they were a compassionate society?

 

I would not be at all surprised if the estimates of illegal immigrants in the USA is being VASTLY under stated by EVERYBODY.

 

I lived in Texas, near Houston for many years.  The Houston area ALONE most definitely has 1MM+ illegal immigrants.  Not all of them are from Mexico and Central/South America either...

 

Um, Houston has a population of 2 million people. You're saying that it's actually 3 million people, and that 1 in 3 people in Houston are undocumented immigrants?

 

Alternatively, the Houston metro area has 6 million people, so you're saying it's actually 7 million people, and that 1 in 7 people in Houston are undocumented immigrants?

 

I also lived in Houston for many years (and grew up near Houston in Sugar Land), and your numbers are... way off.

 

I am talking about the general Houston area including Baytown/Pasadena and the nearby suburbs.

 

If you don't think there are a lot (hundreds of thousands+) of illegal aliens in/around the Houston area...I don't know what to say other than we can disagree.

 

There is a big gulf between your first statement of 1MM+ and your second statement of hundreds of thousands. My sense is that there are maybe half a million or so.

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Hey Merkhet, how would you know the population of Houston if there are any illegal immigrants? They are not registered. Not into census.

 

So why so much arguments about exact numbers since it is just an estimate?

 

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How do you know how much money a company is going to spit out a year or two hence? Why so many arguments about getting into the right range of IV since it is just an estimate? Maybe we should just shut this whole forum down.

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Hey Merkhet, how would you know the population of Houston if there are any illegal immigrants? They are not registered. Not into census.

 

So why so much arguments about exact numbers since it is just an estimate?

 

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Everyone here is included. Census data cannot be used against you. Typically this has helped red states by increasing representation without increasing the number of voters.

 

Most stuff the government does is for the good of the country. That's how folks know when to get upset about tiny details where they worry it's not for the greater good. Let's not lose perspective.

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Canada is wealthier than America and has better social safety nets. Canada can accept more migrants/refugees than it is doing today but looks like it isn't.

 

The numbers being talked about is in the thousands not in the hundreds of thousands

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-immigration-canada/canada-talks-to-u-s-about-illegal-migration-unsure-about-surge-idUSKBN1FP2OQ

 

Canada accepts about 300,000 legal immigrants each year, or about 1% of the population. Legal immigration includes 3 classes of immigrants:

 

- skilled immigrants

- family reunions

- refugees

 

The numbers mentioned in the article are *illegal* asylum seekers that crossed the border from the US. About 20K in 2017 and another 7K in Q1 2018.

 

Why isn't the US doing more to stop the flow of illegals into Canada? Surely you can do better than Mexico.

 

+1!  Maybe we need a wall here...let's get the American's to pay for it!  All these murderers, rapists and crooks...not to mention all of the guns that come from down there...we need cages too...the Bible says it's ok.  Cheers! 

 

Cheers!

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Here is an article talking of deportation of immigrants.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/06/08/canada-warns-immigrants-u-s-heading-north-border/683297002/

 

A country that is on average wealthier than the USA can do more for illegals. The ask is for Canada to do its fair share. Why prefer some people selected arbitrarily over the people coming to the country willingly?

 

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Here is an article talking of deportation of immigrants.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/06/08/canada-warns-immigrants-u-s-heading-north-border/683297002/

 

A country that is on average wealthier than the USA can do more for illegals. The ask is for Canada to do its fair share. Why prefer some people selected arbitrarily over the people coming to the country willingly?

Dude, WTF are you talking about? Canada has a long and proud history of accepting refugees. As the article you referenced states, Canada is planning to accept 43,000 refugees this year. Since Canada is about 1/10th of the US fair share would mean that the US should be taking in about 430,000 refugees this year. Is that the plan in the US?

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Dude, my question is why is Canada being wealthier than USA, full of compassionate people hostile to illegal immigrants? We aren't talking about legal immigration.

 

Here is an article talking of deportation of immigrants.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/06/08/canada-warns-immigrants-u-s-heading-north-border/683297002/

 

A country that is on average wealthier than the USA can do more for illegals. The ask is for Canada to do its fair share. Why prefer some people selected arbitrarily over the people coming to the country willingly?

Dude, WTF are you talking about? Canada has a long and proud history of accepting refugees. As the article you referenced states, Canada is planning to accept 43,000 refugees this year. Since Canada is about 1/10th of the US fair share would mean that the US should be taking in about 430,000 refugees this year. Is that the plan in the US?

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Dude, my question is why is Canada being wealthier than USA, full of compassionate people hostile to illegal immigrants? We aren't talking about legal immigration.

 

Here is an article talking of deportation of immigrants.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/06/08/canada-warns-immigrants-u-s-heading-north-border/683297002/

 

A country that is on average wealthier than the USA can do more for illegals. The ask is for Canada to do its fair share. Why prefer some people selected arbitrarily over the people coming to the country willingly?

Dude, WTF are you talking about? Canada has a long and proud history of accepting refugees. As the article you referenced states, Canada is planning to accept 43,000 refugees this year. Since Canada is about 1/10th of the US fair share would mean that the US should be taking in about 430,000 refugees this year. Is that the plan in the US?

Well.. ummmm Canada isn't wealthier than the US. Also, just like any country on the planet Canada enforces its laws so if you cross the border illegally you will be arrested. However there are some majour differences in the details. Canada doesn't snatch kids from their parents. They also don't place them in cages... or pens.. however you may want to call them.

 

Then there's that bit of Canada stepping up and doing its part in dealing with the global refugee crisis. In contrast what is the US doing? Burying its head in the sand as deep as it can. This despite the fact that the refugee crisis is in large part due to US's fuckups.

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The plaque at the base of the Statue of Liberty reads: “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore,” she wrote. “Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

 

As an American thats what I stand by. America welcomed the Irish, my heritage, and we can welcome more. Illegal or not.

I've always found that inscription hopeful and inspiring. However today the Statue of Liberty just reads "Up Yours!".

 

The truth is that America is made up of the tired, poor, and huddled masses of the past that were yearning to breathe free. It's just sad that once they got to breathe free they turned into a bunch of deuchebags.

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"Also, just like any country on the planet Canada enforces its laws so if you cross the border illegally you will be arrested."

 

Where have you been dude?

 

That is actually a huge part of the problem in the U.S. as people have walked in, majority have not been arrested, did not follow laws, nor laws were enforced and now they are in the country for good as some like their work and some like their vote.

 

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"Also, just like any country on the planet Canada enforces its laws so if you cross the border illegally you will be arrested."

 

Where have you been dude?

 

That is actually a huge part of the problem in the U.S. as people have walked in, majority have not been arrested, did not follow laws, nor laws were enforced and now they are in the country for good as some like their work and some like their vote.

 

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Can you at least source your lies so they are easier to refute? You don't understand the US government, our laws, or our history half as well as you pretend. There is no mass illegal voting issue in the US. Trump's Administration refused to repeat that claim in court when they had legal liability. He lied to you.

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"Also, just like any country on the planet Canada enforces its laws so if you cross the border illegally you will be arrested."

 

Where have you been dude?

 

That is actually a huge part of the problem in the U.S. as people have walked in, majority have not been arrested, did not follow laws, nor laws were enforced and now they are in the country for good as some like their work and some like their vote.

 

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Can you at least source your lies so they are easier to refute? You don't understand the US government, our laws, or our history half as well as you pretend. There is no mass illegal voting issue in the US. Trump's Administration refused to repeat that claim in court when they had legal liability. He lied to you.

 

The risk to reward of an illegal voting make it almost impossible for us to have a mass illegal voting problem. As an American who has voted before, I can 100% say that it is not something I would risk much for. It is American to vote, but all in all is rather meaningless. So I just can't see how somebody who is here illegally, and runs the risk of being jailed and deported, risks that, to vote. With all the security there, and identification needed, it would just be an asinine risk to take to do something that does not really matter or make a difference in your life. It would be like driving to the police station drunk to let them know you found an empty wallet in the bar parking lot.

 

This of course excludes outlier situations like team Al Gore loading up people into buses and handing out sandwiches and Newport's if they voted.

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"Also, just like any country on the planet Canada enforces its laws so if you cross the border illegally you will be arrested."

 

Where have you been dude?

 

That is actually a huge part of the problem in the U.S. as people have walked in, majority have not been arrested, did not follow laws, nor laws were enforced and now they are in the country for good as some like their work and some like their vote.

 

Cardboard

 

Can you at least source your lies so they are easier to refute? You don't understand the US government, our laws, or our history half as well as you pretend. There is no mass illegal voting issue in the US. Trump's Administration refused to repeat that claim in court when they had legal liability. He lied to you.

 

The risk to reward of an illegal voting make it almost impossible for us to have a mass illegal voting problem. As an American who has voted before, I can 100% say that it is not something I would risk much for. It is American to vote, but all in all is rather meaningless. So I just can't see how somebody who is here illegally, and runs the risk of being jailed and deported, risks that, to vote. With all the security there, and identification needed, it would just be an asinine risk to take to do something that does not really matter or make a difference in your life. It would be like driving to the police station drunk to let them know you found an empty wallet in the bar parking lot.

 

Word.

 

 

 

To clarify, I don't know much about other immigration/voting problems. I wouldn't doubt if a lot of behavior pushes the envelope but I have no opinion/knowledge.

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Canada under Trudeau is acting like a thankless backstabbing neighbor.This is what they do behind the scenes.

 

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2018/06/08/canada-warns-immigrants-u-s-heading-north-border/683297002/

 

So it gets to pocket all the benefits that comes with NAFTA but only US has to pay the price for illegal immigration and drugs pouring in from the southern border.

 

Trump should instead force Canada to pay for the wall with Mexico and accept more refugees/children. Otherwise scrap NAFTA or act like Mexico and give access to the migrants to move to Canada.

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I pulled these numbers off wikipedia.

Racial and Ethnic Demographics of the United States (Percentages) Between 1910 and 2010

 

                                1950.        1960.      1970.      1980.        1990.      2000.      2010.

Hispanic.                    2.1%.        3.2%.      4.4%.      6.4%.      9.0%.    12.5%.    16.3% 

Non-Hispanic White.    87.5%      85.4%.    83.5%.    79.6%.    75.6%.    69.1%.    63.7%

 

This is a lot to ask of a culture - to essentially go from a overwhelmingly white, homogenous culture to one in which non-hispanic whites are a minority in about a one generation.  That's a lot of cultural stress to inflict on a population.  I feel certain that many will accuse me of racism for making this comment.  Nevertheless, it remains a large ask of a population.

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What Trump is doing is very similar to what the South-Africans were doing in the apartheid era.

And not that far from typical Israeli practice in the occupied territories.

Rallying fear is not new.

 

The 'fear' was always that were 'they' to get the 'vote'; the many times larger (but tribal) black population would displace the two white (afrikaaners & english) 'tribes' from power. While apartheid was largely designed to protect the jobs of lower-skilled (largely rural) afrikaaners, over time the afrikaans % of the white tribes fell, and their ability to hold onto power declined. Substitute 'North' and  'South' as the white tribes, 'South' for afrikaaners, and Mexican/South American migrants for the tribal black population.

 

Fundamentally; technology is replacing many of the jobs that the lower skilled 'South' relied upon.

For those jobs left, migrants are undercuting wages & sending the proceeds home (for a better life). Southern families are seeing their (& future) generations become steadily worse off than previous generations, and their standards-of-living decline to 3rd world levels. That 3rd world status becoming visible when hurricanes show up (New Orleans, Puerto Rico). And those illegals keep coming because US businesses keep paying them under the table; cut the money flow (employment, drug purchases) and you will cut migration.

 

It can however produce some very funny 'side-effects'

A 'white' south-african, born in africa, counts as a 'visible minority' in N/A affirmative action policies.

Perhaps not quite the original intent.

 

SD

   

 

I pulled these numbers off wikipedia.

Racial and Ethnic Demographics of the United States (Percentages) Between 1910 and 2010

 

                                1950.        1960.      1970.      1980.        1990.      2000.      2010.

Hispanic.                    2.1%.        3.2%.      4.4%.      6.4%.      9.0%.    12.5%.    16.3% 

Non-Hispanic White.    87.5%      85.4%.    83.5%.    79.6%.    75.6%.    69.1%.    63.7%

 

This is a lot to ask of a culture - to essentially go from a overwhelmingly white, homogenous culture to one in which non-hispanic whites are a minority in about a one generation.  That's a lot of cultural stress to inflict on a population.  I feel certain that many will accuse me of racism for making this comment.  Nevertheless, it remains a large ask of a population.

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