What the heck is going on at universities??

[clutch]

"Wilfrid Laurier graduate student delivers a wake-up call"

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/lindsay-shepherd-delivers-a-wake-up-call/article37033031/

 

A teaching assistant showed a five-minute clip of a debate on gender pronouns aired on a public service broadcaster in Ontario. The clip happened to feature Jordan Peterson, who has been associated with right-wing (some of them far-right) groups. The student was called into a reprimand with three professors.

 

The audio recording of that reprimand is here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9YdFlKaJv4g

 

What hypocrisy displayed by these professors!

[wachtwoord]

So the only scientist left in there is a 22 year old teaching assistant? I take off my hat for he for keeping her foot down.

 

"I thought, if this is something that can cause you to lose your teaching-assistant job, then I don't want to be here"

[rukawa]

Richard Spencer is a figure without academic credibility so we can't present his views

 

We can't present his views because it would give him credibility

 

Yep that makes sense.

[rkbabang]

What is going on at universities?  Complete insanity.

 

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2017/11/the-surprising-revolt-at-reed/544682/

 

There is too much utter lunacy in this article for one quote to do it justice, but here's one quote anyway.

 

"During Martínez Valdivia’s lecture on Sappho, protesters sat together in the seats wearing all black; they confronted her after class, with at least one of them yelling at the professor about her past trauma, bringing her to tears. “I am intimidated by these students,” Martínez Valdivia later wrote, noting she is “scared to teach courses on race, gender, or sexuality, or even texts that bring these issues up in any way—and I am a gay mixed-race woman.” Such fear, she revealed in an op-ed for The Washington Post, prompted some of her colleagues— “including people of color, immigrants, and those without tenure”—to avoid lecturing altogether."

 

[rukawa]

The interrogator is a Marxist:

https://www.facebook.com/drjordanpeterson/posts/1598402340223895

 

What I find interesting is that a scholar whose philosophy led to the death of 100 million people world wide is perfectly acceptable but the Agenda on TVO of all places is considered too controversial to show in a classroom.

 

Just for context, TVO which stands for TV Ontario and is an extremely innocuous television channel that is about as controversial as apple pie.

[rkbabang]

The interrogator is a Marxist:

https://www.facebook.com/drjordanpeterson/posts/1598402340223895

 

What I find interesting is that a scholar whose philosophy led to the death of 100 million people world wide is perfectly acceptable but the Agenda on TVO of all places is considered too controversial to show in a classroom.

 

Just for context, TVO which stands for TV Ontario and is an extremely innocuous television channel that is about as controversial as apple pie.

 

I'm sure there are professors or college students that would tell you that apple pie is sexist.  Historically women made apple pies on thanksgiving more often than men.  Men, the barbarians, just ate them.

 

[rukawa]

The crazy alt-right professor that the TA presented was this guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Peterson

 

Who is not alt-right, although he has many alt-right supporters.

[LC]

I've seen so many ridiculous stories like this over the past few years. I don't get it. Of all places, Uni's are exactly the places to have these debates.

 

If you ask me, Uni administrations/deans need to take a stronger stance. Perhaps maybe they would rather cater to 18 year-olds with upset feelings (who are paying $50k/year) rather than take a principled approach.

[no_free_lunch]

People on the right need to be aware that their rights are under attack and this puts a spotlight on it.  Her career is now toast.  I see her as a martyr.

[boilermaker75]

https://www.npr.org/2016/08/26/491531869/university-of-chicago-tells-freshmen-it-does-not-support-trigger-warnings

[wachtwoord]

People on the right need to be aware that their rights are under attack and this puts a spotlight on it.  Her career is now toast.  I see her as a martyr.

 

These 3 people interrugating her are doing much worst than the vast majority of the #metoo accused in abusing their position to push through their personal believes. On top of that they do it in an academic setting and take sides on issues from a position of authority. They don't deserve to use the words 'scientific method' as they clearly don't understand what it entails or have no respect for it. They need to be named and shamed across mass media and have their careers destroyed. But hey, the (left wing controlled ) mainstream news outlets certainly won't do that as they are just the same.

 

We need to start making lists of these monsters so if anyone runs into them you can refuse to do business with them or deal with them in any fashion, in effect isolating them.

 

The sad part is that this is common in universities (especially sociology and social studies related) but generally there is no proof.

[clutch]

Lack of political diversity in campus:

http://www.cbc.ca/radio/ideas/the-politics-of-the-professoriat-political-diversity-on-campus-1.4280778

 

The irony of killing (political) diversity to promote diversity...

 

 

[DTEJD1997]

People on the right need to be aware that their rights are under attack and this puts a spotlight on it.  Her career is now toast.  I see her as a martyr.

 

These 3 people interrugating her are doing much worst than the vast majority of the #metoo accused in abusing their position to push through their personal believes. On top of that they do it in an academic setting and take sides on issues from a position of authority. They don't deserve to use the words 'scientific method' as they clearly don't understand what it entails or have no respect for it. They need to be named and shamed across mass media and have their careers destroyed. But hey, the (left wing controlled ) mainstream news outlets certainly won't do that as they are just the same.

 

We need to start making lists of these monsters so if anyone runs into them you can refuse to do business with them or deal with them in any fashion, in effect isolating them.

 

The sad part is that this is common in universities (especially sociology and social studies related) but generally there is no proof.

 

Hey all:

 

Academia in the West has been corrupted.  I think it first started with the money, now it has spread to ideology.

 

While corruption is terrible, and very well may well lead to the downfall of the West...this is probably a long term, multi-generational process.  I think the more immediate problem may be is where do these "leftists" go next if they are not put in check?  My guess is that they start attacking each other.  This has already started.  Who wants to bet that within a year from this Thanksgiving, the left will have totally turned on the Clintons?  This is already starting...

 

Once all the ideologically impure members of the left have been culled, then what?

 

I will guess that they start going after EVERYBODY who is not part of the protected class OR anybody who disagrees with them.  I would be willing to bet that these SJW's on the left will be calling for "re-education camps" or even worse.  It has happened before, and certainly could happen again.

 

The time to stop them is now....

[SharperDingaan]

The place for radicals is a university, and the more radical they are  - the better it is for everybody. Everybody grows old & complacent.

Worst that happens is someone says the wrong thing, gets into a fight, and ends up in hospital for a time; the organized get a needle, and a visit from the men in black.

 

Most often the issues are real, & should be addressed going forward.

Fail to address them, & society runs the risk of ambitious people using them to push their own agendas. An outcome that often ends sadly.

 

Cultural appropriation has been the norm for almost all history.

One simply invaded a neighbor, & told them they were all going to follow 'your way' from this day forth; anybody who objected lost their head (ending protest). The 'conquered' simply 'assimilated', and then slowly converted the 'conquerer' to 'their way'. Whichever way was best for the local conditions survived, and the hybridization process made everybody better.   

 

Let them protest.

 

SD

 

 

       

[LC]

We need to start making lists of these monsters so if anyone runs into them you can refuse to do business with them or deal with them in any fashion, in effect isolating them.

 

Really? This was the mentality of a certain German regime, it doesn't work because it's dehumanizing. This is not how solutions emerge, only how conflict is needlessly escalated.

[rb]

Seriously? You guys are now freaking out about the snowflakes? Jeez...

[wachtwoord]

We need to start making lists of these monsters so if anyone runs into them you can refuse to do business with them or deal with them in any fashion, in effect isolating them.

 

Really? This was the mentality of a certain German regime, it doesn't work because it's dehumanizing. This is not how solutions emerge, only how conflict is needlessly escalated.

 

It is when the damn monsters are heading universities. They need to be removed.

 

I'm always surprised how the German regime you are referring to is implicated with the political right. They were national socialists (hence the name of their party NSDAP) and are of the same side we should be looking to fight. It's the natural end-station of any nationalist socialist movement as they love giving all power to the government and similar institutions to protect and want to ban and delegitimize certain opinions and facts they don't agree with.

 

Socialist propaganda was quite successful it seems.

[LC]

My comment was on effective problem solving techniques, not which side is right or wrong or liberal or conservative.

 

SD (as usual) put it eloquently: The place for radicals is a university. My addition is that there are radicals on either end of the political spectrum, and each has legitimate gripes.

 

What really bothers me is the divisiveness which undermines efforts towards any solution. And this isn't directed at you, it's a general comment. I've seen it from both "sides". Each has their own way of saying: "Let's put all those problem people in a group and systematically dismiss them". And then they go on to tell you how, e.g. "The liberals are all snowflakes", "The conservatives are all regressive" etc. My response is, Has ignoring a problem ever solved it?

[MrB]

Hey, but at least you don't have Trump. So much more civilised to have a teenager who wants to hug the world running the place. You reap what you sow.

 

Tough to be liberal, leftist and not end up socialist only to realise after a few million dead people that for one, yes God did create man and woman and trying to deny the obvious is insane. Socialism eats its young and to think that Canada only has a intellectual problem limited to its universities is naive.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/easter-bunny-1.4067854

 

To invert and from a non-Christian point of view: Why would such behaviour by the professors shock you? Why the hell can they not do it and who are you to tell me that I cannot stand behind those professors 100%? There is no absolute truth right, so ultimately let me decide what I like and if there is enough of us then we'll simply get rid of those who disagree. Happening in front of your very eyes already. Don't like what we say, we'll come down hard. Don't like the way we tell you to raise kids, we'll take them.

 

I love Canada, two of my kids are Canadian, but the place scares the living daylights out of me.

 

 

[Cigarbutt]

Comment and Question.

 

-There are exceptions but I find one ("us") may have more in common than it superficially appears with others who are "different" ("them").

 

-Let's say I agree that we need to move in a certain direction along the collective/individual spectrum, can you elaborate on: "...so ultimately let me decide what I like and if there is enough of us then we'll simply get rid of those who disagree... Don't like what we say, we'll come down hard."?

 

[MrB]

Comment and Question.

 

-There are exceptions but I find one ("us") may have more in common than it superficially appears with others who are "different" ("them").

 

-Let's say I agree that we need to move in a certain direction along the collective/individual spectrum, can you elaborate on: "...so ultimately let me decide what I like and if there is enough of us then we'll simply get rid of those who disagree... Don't like what we say, we'll come down hard."?

The elitists in the (socialist) tribe will decide the direction/spectrum and the collective and individuals will be separated with the latter risking to ultimately be added to the estimated 100m-200m body count. There is no place for the individual and this girl at the university and the couple in Hamilton is finding this out.

 

I don't expect you to agree with it, but humans are inherently evil and once we try and ignore God and run things ourselves (no place for God in socialism) then you reap the whirlwind. Canada is aggressively purging itself of Christians and embracing socialism and no better example than telling Christian parents you will take their kids unless they raise them according to the dictates of the collective rather than our Creator https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-ontario-passes-totalitarian-bill-allowing-govt-to-take-kids-from-c

How far do you think you need to travel to get from telling a family how to raise their kids to shooting someone for not doing it? History is simply repeating itself.

 

If you ask your question under the assumption that we all live under the 2nd greatest commandment of "love your neighbour as you love yourself" you have a different outcome and if those professors and the girl pursued that ideal, maybe the conversation would have sounded and ended differently.  Emptying yourself for the one next to you is only achieved through grace, but us humans including myself don't like to hear that. Such is life; we're not good at learning from our mistakes.

[Gregmal]

University professors, generally speaking are the worst. A lot of them are genuine and care. But generally they are people(especially in the business colleges) who had short and unproductive professional careers who now stroke their egos by reciting textbooks and a rehashed version of their own careers, but in a glorified light. Then you also have the career professors who live in the academia bubble and have no clue that what works in theory in a textbook doesn't always pan out in real life. I've read something that like 85%+ are bleeding heart liberals too. There is little more stimulating to the ego than having a captive audience of malleable minds for 3 hours a week.

 

What's funny is the worst I'd ever personally experienced was a guy who was a walking cartoon. 6'5 white dude from Georgia, jacked as hell, loud raspy voice. Aggressive. He also happened to hate white men(the females he would line up in the front row and blatantly hit on). He would incessantly rant about how the world just f*cks blacks, Hispanics, and homosexuals. 90% of his breathe was spent screaming about social injustices. He was an English teacher. One of the more accomplished as well. I sought out his classes because if you told him what he wanted to hear, it was a guaranteed A. He would routinely manipulate Shakespeare sonnets into rants on modern day inequality and discrimination lectures that ended with him throwing chairs across the room and punching holes in the walls. It was quite the show. Our final exam(50% of the overall grade) was an in class essay. The subject? What was Shakespeare saying in his sonnets about the treatment of gays and Jews in the 2000's! Yes this was a graduate level English course!

 

Well fast forward a decade plus, and I was scrolling through the New York Post and found this.

 

https://nypost.com/2017/03/28/teacher-allegedly-tried-seducing-student-with-shakespeare/

 

Wasnt surprising one bit. What was originally suprising was that this guy was still teaching, even when I was in school as a decade prior he was kicked out of a super liberal west coast university for beating up a 21 year old student who happened to be the ex-boyfriend of a 20 year old student that he was currently dating.

 

 

 

[SharperDingaan]

Tomorrows politician is in today's political science class, cutting their teeth in today's more toxic 'protest' environment.

The best on all  sides will rise to the top, & clash against each other on the way up. Prize fights aren't pretty, but the result is that every 'winner' knows how to use that environment, and becomes very good at what they do. Every politician has to learn how to stay alive, and character assassination has long been an instrument of statecraft.

 

Allowing the protests, free speech, manipulation and passion an outlet; lets words and ideas replace bullets, and bombs. Way safer for everybody, but the processes have to be allowed to run their course. Hearing contrary opinion, whether we want to or not, is a healthy thing.

 

Most politicians aren't graceful losers. The civilized approach is an opposition bench, and isolation of the tone deaf.

Those who opt for the violent solutions meet the men in black.

 

SD

   

 

 

[rb]

I love Canada, two of my kids are Canadian, but the place scares the living daylights out of me.

You are terrified by .... Canada? Wow!

[no_free_lunch]

rb, could you be more obnoxious?  Would you care to actually respond to the real arguments listed.  E.g. people being disciplined at universities for offering a differing view point.