Parsad Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 This is should be fun! Cheers! http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/27/politics/first-charges-mueller-investigation/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Crazy stuff: He was a pretty obvious target if you think about it. He's been tied to Russia for years and worked to destabilize Ukraine during their revolution. He's bad news. Even his daughters hate the man for what he did in Ukraine. "Don't fool yourself," Andrea wrote to her sister, according to the texts. "That money we have is blood money." "You know he has killed people in Ukraine? Knowingly," she continued, according to the reviewed texts. "As a tactic to outrage the world and get focus on Ukraine. Remember when there were all those deaths taking place. A while back. About a year ago. Revolts and what not. Do you know whose strategy that was to cause that, to send those people out and get them slaughtered." This man is a scumbag and I'm glad he's the first to be indicted. As the next commenter says, "Seems like a bad hombre". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTEJD1997 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Hey all: I also suspect that this is simply the beginning. There are going to be more indictments...but I think some people are going to be VERY surprised/upset to see what is coming. I would be surprised if Hillary is NOT ultimately indicted...along with others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uccmal Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Hey all: I also suspect that this is simply the beginning. There are going to be more indictments...but I think some people are going to be VERY surprised/upset to see what is coming. I would be surprised if Hillary is NOT ultimately indicted...along with others. Well, as we all know from corporate malfeasance: There are plenty of cockroaches yet to be uncovered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobafdek Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LC Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Yea my guess is Trump fires Mueller and winds down the investigation. I'm just excited to see what excuse he uses this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsad Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 As stupid as Trump is, he's street smart enough like a mafia Don to insulate himself. I think those close to him will be in trouble, but none of it will be able to tie directly to him. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uccmal Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 As stupid as Trump is, he's street smart enough like a mafia Don to insulate himself. I think those close to him will be in trouble, but none of it will be able to tie directly to him. Cheers! Maybe so. But screwing all those who 'helped' you along the way isn't going to engender any loyalty from these guys or others. My guess is that eventually a few of these dudes will turn on him to save their own skins. I dont think any of these older guys will want to do jail time, or pay bankruptcy level fines, to shield Trump. His own party wants to see him thrown to the wolves as soon as they can, and may not tolerate any presidential pardons. He doesn't have any allies left. Chris Christie maybe, but thats hardly a consolation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainforesthiker Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Kind of a letdown huh. Special Counsel and a large team spend a year or so, and they come up with a tax evasion charge for Manafort that was incurred before he became campaign manager . . . No mention of "collusion" or anything related to Trump or the campaign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobafdek Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 As stupid as Trump is, he's street smart enough like a mafia Don to insulate himself. A perfect example of cognitive dissonance! (You're in good company!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parsad Posted October 31, 2017 Author Share Posted October 31, 2017 As stupid as Trump is, he's street smart enough like a mafia Don to insulate himself. A perfect example of cognitive dissonance! (You're in good company!) Well, he can't be very smart if he's got the house, the senate, and the presidency, and hasn't been able to pass one piece of legislation in 10 months. All the while destroying his own cabinet and staff, lying day after day, putting his entire party into chaos, laying waste to the country's fabric, and hiring the very guy now investigating him and arresting his friends...after firing the guy before. Liberal Hollywood could not have written a more stupefying script! Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobafdek Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 Well, he can't be very smart if he's got the house, the senate, and the presidency, and hasn't been able to pass one piece of legislation in 10 months. All the while destroying his own cabinet and staff, lying day after day, putting his entire party into chaos, laying waste to the country's fabric, and hiring the very guy now investigating him and arresting his friends...after firing the guy before. Liberal Hollywood could not have written a more stupefying script! Cheers! An imaginative movie script it is, and you are correct: a stupefying one! And so many people are having similar hallucinations. Where did this one come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTEJD1997 Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 As stupid as Trump is, he's street smart enough like a mafia Don to insulate himself. A perfect example of cognitive dissonance! (You're in good company!) Well, he can't be very smart if he's got the house, the senate, and the presidency, and hasn't been able to pass one piece of legislation in 10 months. All the while destroying his own cabinet and staff, lying day after day, putting his entire party into chaos, laying waste to the country's fabric, and hiring the very guy now investigating him and arresting his friends...after firing the guy before. Liberal Hollywood could not have written a more stupefying script! Cheers! As stupid as Trump is...he STILL managed to beat Hillary with all of her support from the media, money, and everything else... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liberty Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 As stupid as Trump is, he's street smart enough like a mafia Don to insulate himself. I think those close to him will be in trouble, but none of it will be able to tie directly to him. Cheers! Maybe so. But screwing all those who 'helped' you along the way isn't going to engender any loyalty from these guys or others. My guess is that eventually a few of these dudes will turn on him to save their own skins. I dont think any of these older guys will want to do jail time, or pay bankruptcy level fines, to shield Trump. His own party wants to see him thrown to the wolves as soon as they can, and may not tolerate any presidential pardons. He doesn't have any allies left. Chris Christie maybe, but thats hardly a consolation. That's what will undo him eventually. He requires total loyalty, even to the point of claiming the sky is green and 2+2=5 (yes, his inauguration crowd was millions of people, the biggest ever!), but he has no loyalty for his people as soon as they aren't useful to him anymore. Almost everyone who was close to him except direct family has been dumped, or is even now getting attacked on Twitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharperDingaan Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 As stupid as Trump is, he's street smart enough like a mafia Don to insulate himself. I think those close to him will be in trouble, but none of it will be able to tie directly to him. Cheers! Maybe so. But screwing all those who 'helped' you along the way isn't going to engender any loyalty from these guys or others. My guess is that eventually a few of these dudes will turn on him to save their own skins. I dont think any of these older guys will want to do jail time, or pay bankruptcy level fines, to shield Trump. His own party wants to see him thrown to the wolves as soon as they can, and may not tolerate any presidential pardons. He doesn't have any allies left. Chris Christie maybe, but thats hardly a consolation. Again, we just see a dead man walking - relying on the rules for rulers. According to the pundits this is the best it gets for the republicans; 2018 is supposedly looking like a disaster, with 2019 and beyond even worse. Impeachment takes a long time, and the results are uncertain. However should the chump become a martyr? an awful lot of problems drop away; & the man has already prepared the ground by releasing the JFK files. The liability becomes an asset, the twitter feed finally goes silent, the 'family' establishes a lock on rulership. And 5 years on, maybe the first FEMALE US President ends up being a Trump? Enron, became Enron - in part because Ken Lay (Chairman) knew he was dying. When Enron finally blew he would either be gone, or close to it; others would be taking the fall, and he wouldn't be explaining anything. One has to wonder whether a version of the same thing isn't happening here - as almost all Dons know they will not be shuffling off as a result of old age. Sadly it's also America, and this kind of solution has a long history. SD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainforesthiker Posted October 31, 2017 Share Posted October 31, 2017 As stupid as Trump is, he's street smart enough like a mafia Don to insulate himself. I think those close to him will be in trouble, but none of it will be able to tie directly to him. Cheers! Maybe so. But screwing all those who 'helped' you along the way isn't going to engender any loyalty from these guys or others. My guess is that eventually a few of these dudes will turn on him to save their own skins. I dont think any of these older guys will want to do jail time, or pay bankruptcy level fines, to shield Trump. His own party wants to see him thrown to the wolves as soon as they can, and may not tolerate any presidential pardons. He doesn't have any allies left. Chris Christie maybe, but thats hardly a consolation. Again, we just see a dead man walking - relying on the rules for rulers. According to the pundits this is the best it gets for the republicans; 2018 is supposedly looking like a disaster, with 2019 and beyond even worse. Impeachment takes a long time, and the results are uncertain. However should the chump become a martyr? an awful lot of problems drop away; & the man has already prepared the ground by releasing the JFK files. The liability becomes an asset, the twitter feed finally goes silent, the 'family' establishes a lock on rulership. And 5 years on, maybe the first FEMALE US President ends up being a Trump? Enron, became Enron - in part because Ken Lay (Chairman) knew he was dying. When Enron finally blew he would either be gone, or close to it; others would be taking the fall, and he wouldn't be explaining anything. One has to wonder whether a version of the same thing isn't happening here - as almost all Dons know they will not be shuffling off as a result of old age. Sadly it's also America, and this kind of solution has a long history. SD Hard to imagine that anyone listens to "the pundits" after what happened in the last election . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doughishere Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 whose this carter page guy all over cnn? what is he like deep throat bragging practically that he was at the meeting....live on cnn. lol. Except deep throat was a secret for like 30 years....this guy literally is on tv saying this stuff and the case hasnt even begun yet? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rb Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Some of these guys maybe ain't too bright? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobafdek Posted November 6, 2017 Share Posted November 6, 2017 I've changed my mind. The Russian collusion is big. It's real. And it's ongoing to this day. Incredibly, Donna B is part of it. Mueller needs to bring her in for questioning. https://medium.com/@jesse_41795/open-letter-from-hillary-for-america-2016-team-f1c545304be1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cobafdek Posted November 24, 2017 Share Posted November 24, 2017 https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/23/world/europe/russia-vladimir-putin-liberals.html?referer=https://news.google.com/ Excerpts: “Enough already!” Leonid M. Volkov, chief of staff for the anti-corruption campaigner and opposition leader Aleksei A. Navalny, wrote in a recent anguished post on Facebook. “What is happening with ‘the investigation into Russian interference,’ is not just a disgrace but a collective eclipse of the mind.” That has left many westward-leaning Russians, who have long looked to America for their ideals, in bitter disappointment that the United States seems to be mimicking some of their own country’s least appealing traits. He complained that the American media has consistently misconstrued the way Russia works, presenting marginal opportunists and self-interested businessmen with no real link to the Kremlin as state-controlled agents working on orders from Mr. Putin. “American liberals are so upset about Trump that they cannot believe he is a real product of American life,” Mr. Kurilla said. “They try to portray him as something created by Russia. This whole thing is about America, not Russia.” Mr. Putin’s opponents despair that the United States seems to have been seized by what they view as a Russian-style spasm of paranoia and conspiratorial thinking that puts blame for internal problems on sinister outside forces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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